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LindaM:
Okay -- I'll start.  That show sort of blows the mind (especially the ending).  I think I know what is going to happen.  I think there are actually two Emma's now.  What could have happened in Camelot that set her so against her parents.  Held in prison while they enjoyed themselves?  Here's my opinions on the characters last night.

1.  I thought I'd love Arthur but the show is making him out as a brat.  That's okay but I see no redeeming factors in his personality.  He's supposed to be chivalrous.  Why didn't he bring horses for his guests?

2.  Dark Emma is surprisingly good.  I don't want her to be the "dark one" but she's made an impression. 

3.  The show last night deserves an Emmy nod and Jennifer Morrison deserves a nom for her work also.

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Outlast:
Merlin
Merlin talking to little Emma in a theater showing 'Sword in the Stone' was cute and all. But I need more before I'll buy in on the OUAT version of Merlin. I know some stories say he ages backwards, but it's still weird to me.

Camelot :king:
I agree that Arthur wasn't the chivalric hero I was hoping for. I can only assume they wanted him to be less noble so when Guinevere leaves him for Lancelot it will make sense (never really did to me in the stories).

But having the dark dagger be the missing tip of Excalibur was probably the biggest jaw-dropper of the show. I loved it! Hopefully this piece of plot will work out as well as the reveal did for me.  :great:

Merida
I liked her. Love the accent (of course) and her interactions were good. I hope the writer's don't ruin her story with a bad romance. (hint hint) (rumors rumors)

Emma
Dark Emma was better than expected (based on the horrible promo pics we saw early on), but I did expect more darkness and less 'struggle' considering all her own darkness has (supposedly) been removed since birth, which should I'd think make it harder for her to fight the darkness since she'd (allegedly) never really experienced that struggle before. But that 'all dark potential removed' crap happened in season four. So let's just forget that and move on. I'm sure the writer's have.

On Rumbelle
I was pleased to see Rumple in his coma and Belle actually saying she cared... though why she'd leave him like that, especially leaving him in the apparent care of the Blue Fairy is baffling to me. I'm not sure why Belle was going to Camelot (a scene where she discovered a rare book telling her how awesome Merlin was at curing magical comas would've helped explain why she was going.  They better not have brought her just to babysit Neal AGAIN!). Note she was conspicuously absent when they returned (good grief not the memory lose AGAIN!). Not that anyone noticed. Hey maybe she was in the background and I missed her, but I sure didn't see her.

Dark Rumple :88:
...was the mostest awesomest thing ever. I've been starving for some good Dark Rumple scenes and this time my meal was delivered! So many good quips... too bad the rest of him had to be in a coma to get some good scenes.  -Console-

The Charmings
Why did they bring baby Neal again? I guess maybe they thought they might not get to come back or perhaps they were planning on staying in the Enchanted Forest if possible. Or maybe the writer's heard a few fans criticizing them for always leaving the newborn with a babysitter and decided to just bring him along this time (he sure isn't growing very fast is he?)

Loved the video of Josh and Jenn  LM!  :035:

Regina :040:
As usual my biggest gripes are with her (you don't have to read this LM) ...how come Regina is suddenly too good to use the Apprentice's (mixed magic?) wand and yet Zelena isn't too bad? Are the writer's watching the show because just last season (a few days ago to Regina) she ripped out Belle's heart and used it to torment Rumple, not in some good heroic, let's beat the baddie (not that Rumple actually was the baddie) at his own game, but in a cruel and sadistic vendetta against someone who (in her mind) taunted her over his own happiness in the midst of her own unhappiness. And reading between the lines (with so few Rumple/Belle scenes in S4 I kind of have to) it seems like she's done this before to Belle and I personally find that despicable. Bottom line is - Regina is no hero. Not to me.

I found myself rooting for Zelena in this episode. I shouldn't want to do that. But at least she owns up to her bad self and doesn't act like she's changed, when the viewers (the ones who care about Belle at least) know that she (Regina) hasn't changed at all. She's just changed her targets. 

Plus Zelena is a real scenery chewer. Always fun to watch her be bad.  :97:
 

LindaM:
Yeah-- Zelena is a scenery chewer and I love her for that.  That whole Regina/Zelena thing didn't make sense to me either.  Of course with Rebecca a "regular," they have to do something.

Did you notice that when they returned all were dressed as courtiers.  I saw a spoiler this morning where Regina has to assume the "leader" role to deal with what happened to Emma.  And they are doing two seasons again in one with Emma being the featured character the whole season.  I'll try to find that link again.

And did they have to resort to "lost memory" again!!!!  Isn't that getting old.

The hints of Narnia are back which I like.  I still say that they should use some of the Last Battle in the series finale. 

Outlast:


I found these yesterday. Love 'em. Roll those eyes Belle!  :clap:
 :D

Anyway, the idea of using Last Battle to end the series is an intriguing one and could really fit the core idea of good vs. evil, light vs. dark, but...  if they did use it, I'm pretty sure they would take out everything that really mattered about the book. The part about only those who served Aslan making it through to 'Aslan's country', the bit about Susan being left behind because she no longer believed (and if they did use the Susan bit it would probably be Rumple left behind the way the writing seems to lean), that part would be hard to write because Susan did nothing 'wrong' in a worldly sense. She just stopped believing in Aslan and I've heard/read complains/arguments for years about that being unfair (Susan being left behind), but to me, C. S. Lewis was making a point with Susan to show people that good works in and of themselves are not enough if you don't believe. Even if they replaced belief in God with belief in 'magic', I still don't think they'd go there. It would probably be more like, people who use dark magic are bad (except for Regina) and don't get to go into the light. Rumple like Ben in LOST would be left on a bench outside the church regretting his life. Though to me the only thing he should regret is saving the town from Peter Pan.

On the other hand they could just do a general, 'oh no! The whole town blew up and everybody's dead... fade to black... fade in on a bright day in The Enchanted Forest where everyone who ever died on the show is waiting for them and then everybody hugs and walks into the light together.'

I'm making fun a bit, but I do love LOST and I still love OUAT. I just don't want to go through another season frustrated like I was last season. The writing in S4 was so poor and the characters (especially Rumple and Belle) were so forced to go against what was already established that I just don't trust the writers anymore. And I know I crap on Regina a lot, but I would think her fans would be equally upset about the heart thing with Belle since it spoils her entire redemption arc, even if that isn't acknowledged on the show, to me that's not something a hero would do and at the very least she owes Rum and Belle a genuine apology in front of witnesses (including Henry).


Hey Eddie, Adam and OUAT cast, raise your hand if you liked the writing in season four...


 -rollinglaugh-

At least it was a pretty good premiere with lots of Rumple quips. I'm not complaining about that! I'm rooting for you season five!

LindaM:
Actually I just saw a spoiler on Twitter with Jennifer.  I took on a twitter account because my student who had it graduated.  Let's just say, the could do the first one now with a good/bad Emma if what I saw pans out.  No more of a hint than that because you don't like spoiler.

Easily, they can leave the Susan bit out.  Or make it Zelena easily.  So if Zelena is Susan, who is Lucy.  And here's what I'm thinking about the Aslan bit.  Emma/Savior versus Emma/Witch. 

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