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Title: Once Upon a Time Death Count
Post by: Outlast on December 05, 2015, 06:35:00 PM
The thread where we count to find out who exactly is the deadly character in OUAT!

The Rules (subject to change of course)
Any human (or at least humanish) killing by any named character counts for one point. Unicorns and ogres ect. don't count unless they started out human. Towns massacred count for one hundred points (unless someone can give me a better estimate as to actual death count in said village). Magical beings who are killed, but then come back to life in some fashion still count as one. If killed again they count as an additional point.



Episode One - Pilot
 I'd forgotten how truly well plotted the first season was and how well acted. Anyhow, enough fangirling. We have a death count to work on...there was only one death caused by a main character in 1.1. Charming Killing one of Regina's black guards. He was fighting two, one he knocked out or something and the other he ran through with his sword. If attempted murder counts technically Regina attempted to kill Snow White with a poisoned apple and Charming attempted to kill Regina by throwing a sword at her. But the only identifiable killing by a named character was the black guard.

1.1 The Pilot
Charming - 1
Title: Re: Once Upon a Time Death Count
Post by: Outlast on December 05, 2015, 06:57:24 PM
Episode Two - The Thing You Love Most
Oh my, I had forgotten how badass Rumple was in the two scenes he had with Regina! Such great characters Rumple and Regina were in season one.
Death wise we saw Regina turn a gnome man into stone for laughing at her and of course she killed her father Henry to enact the curse. Oh and Emma attempted to kill one apple tree, which doesn't count but was completely awesome to watch again!

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1.2 The Thing You Love Most
Regina 1 gnome, 1 daddy


TOTALS
Regina 2
Charming 1
Title: Re: Once Upon a Time Death Count
Post by: Outlast on December 05, 2015, 07:04:50 PM
Episode Three - Snow Falls
Ah original non stupid Snow and Charming. They were great once upon a time...

Death count
Charming throws a knife into the back of one of Regina's black guards, kills another in a duel and puts an arrow through a third.
He also kills a troll by pushing him into a deep ravine and a second one he squishes he's after Snow transforms three trolls into bugs. But since trolls (I assume) don't count....

1.3 Snow Falls
Charming 3

TOTALS
Charming 4
Regina 2
Title: Re: Once Upon a Time Death Count
Post by: LindaM on December 05, 2015, 07:06:29 PM
Hey -- this gives me an idea.  Want to do a count like I did with soaps -- I could use it for the book and give you credit.  I'll have to email the chart to you though.  It's in word.
Title: Re: Once Upon a Time Death Count
Post by: Outlast on December 05, 2015, 07:11:44 PM
Hey -- this gives me an idea.  Want to do a count like I did with soaps -- I could use it for the book and give you credit.  I'll have to email the chart to you though.  It's in word.
What did you do with soaps again? Sorry if you told me already.
Title: Re: Once Upon a Time Death Count
Post by: LindaM on December 05, 2015, 07:34:04 PM
We looked at the overall impact of all aspects of "personal" injury type of things.  From gaslighting to bullying to actual deaths.  Looked at it from the courts severity level.
Title: Re: Once Upon a Time Death Count
Post by: Outlast on December 05, 2015, 08:14:38 PM
We looked at the overall impact of all aspects of "personal" injury type of things.  From gaslighting to bullying to actual deaths.  Looked at it from the courts severity level.
That sounds over my head. All i know is it's better to be nice, even if the other person/people aren't nice back. But that's real life. Soap opera life is a different animal entirely I'm sure.

By the way have you ever heard Carmen's 'Soap Song'? I love it, but as Daniel from Once Podcast would say, I leak Christianity.
http://www.godtube.com/watch/?v=6DZYWNNX
Title: Re: Once Upon a Time Death Count
Post by: Outlast on December 05, 2015, 08:23:25 PM
Episode Four - The Price of Gold
Good grief but Cinderella comes off like a spoiled brat in this episode (in fairytale land anyway), which is weird considering how she grew up and how she is generally depicted. But of course Rumple makes up for all that by chewing scenery left and right. I miss intense confident Mr. Gold. :(

Death count... well Ashley bashes Gold over the head which count as attempted murder to me, but since this is TV we know blows to the head are harmless sleep draughts, not catastrophic brain events.... right?
The only death that counts in this episode is Rumplestiltskin exploding Cindy's fairy godmother. Just like that Rumple's on the board!
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1.4 Price of Gold
Rumple 1

TOTALS
Charming 4
Regina 2
Rumple 1
Title: Re: Once Upon a Time Death Count
Post by: LindaM on December 05, 2015, 09:24:29 PM
I am planning on starting after mid-season finale.  Now, here's  a question.  Do we count it differently (say 2 points) when it happens in the real world compared to fairy tale land.  Reason I ask is because it was accepted there but may not be here.  And how do we cunt the "heart" issue?
Title: Re: Once Upon a Time Death Count
Post by: Outlast on December 05, 2015, 11:30:17 PM
I think making a Storybrooke murder worth extra would mess up the system actually. Every single killing whether murder or self defense should be worth one point. I made villages 100 simply because I have no idea how many people Regina killed when she burned that village and was that the only one? Her village burning has been referenced in several episodes, but it's unclear in my mind whether that was the only time she did that. I do agree that as Rumple says at some point that murder seems so much worse here ( in our world). But as far as points go I think it should stay one to one.
Title: Re: Once Upon a Time Death Count
Post by: Outlast on December 11, 2015, 12:06:36 PM
I believe the next episode is is Jiminy Crickets backstory so quick question... Who do we give the death points for Geppettos parents too? As I recall Jim goes to Rumple for a potion to use on HIS parents, but then they switch bottles on him and Geppettos folks end up as dolls... So who is the killer there?

Also I was thinking that in conjunction with the death count, we could work a most evil or most wrong list and name the top ten or whatever most evil/wrong/undeserving killings. The two I'm thinking of off the bat are Charming killing Percival in season five and Zelena tricking/killing Neil. We could even broaden it a bit and add things like Hook/Rumples fathers abandoning/selling them. What do you think?
Title: Re: Once Upon a Time Death Count
Post by: LindaM on December 11, 2015, 06:29:58 PM
We have to give points for Jim's intent but then give his parents points for turning themselves into dolls.  Part of this is intent to commit murder.  Part of it is murder but of yourselves with intent to kill others.

I think we do need a most evil list.  I'm thinking of adding a chapter called when is bad too much and look at the worse uses of death/charms throughout the story.  This would definitely include Zelena impersonation of Marian for fraud, murder, and revenge. The second new chapter would be when good outshines evil and include Hook's redemption.
Title: Re: Once Upon a Time Death Count
Post by: Outlast on December 11, 2015, 10:49:11 PM
We have to give points for Jim's intent but then give his parents points for turning themselves into dolls.  Part of this is intent to commit murder.  Part of it is murder but of yourselves with intent to kill others.

I think we do need a most evil list.  I'm thinking of adding a chapter called when is bad too much and look at the worse uses of death/charms throughout the story.  This would definitely include Zelena impersonation of Marian for fraud, murder, and revenge. The second new chapter would be when good outshines evil and include Hook's redemption.
Hook's redemption? When did that scene air?  :D

I don't think I can give points to Jiminy's parents for switching the bottles purely because his parents were (I think) only one episode characters and therefore not worthy of taking up space on the list. So I guess either two points to Jiminy or no points at all? Do I need an honorable mentions categories for non-main cast killers? :D

I do love the list idea the more I think about it. LM I see lots of lists in our future!
Title: Re: Once Upon a Time Death Count
Post by: Outlast on December 12, 2015, 04:49:56 PM
Episode 5 That Still Small Voice
We've already discussed the Jiminy situation and after watching the episode I feel like both Geppetto and Jiminy himself holds himself accountable for the death of Geppetto's parents. So I guess two points go to Doctor Hopper. Also yet another set of awful parents in this series (Jim's parents). That's yet another list we can start!
 :c029:

1.5 That Still Small Voice
Jiminy 2


TOTALS
Charming 4
Regina 2
Jiminy Cricket 2
Rumple 1
Title: Re: Once Upon a Time Death Count
Post by: Outlast on December 12, 2015, 04:58:35 PM
Episode Six - The Shepherd
Another excellent episode (season episode rankings coming up!). I really do love the twist where we think Prince James is Charming and then he gets killed and we learn that Charming is actually his Shepherd twin David (best twists - yet another list idea!).

Death count wise let's see... James kills that barbarian fellow (or thought he did. Turns out he had enough left in him to kill James right back). Normally we don't count kills for one episode characters, but then I remembered that they do bring James back at least once in the (Slutty) Jack and the beanstalk episode. So I guess he counts? David later kills a dragon (who killed loads of knights), but I'd guess dragon's don't count unless this one happened to have been Lily's time-traveling daddy who managed to die a few years before she was born.  :D

Also this is the episode where Snow picks up Doctor Whale and in the next episode alludes to their 'one night stand'. ewww.

1.6 The Shepherd
Prince James 1

TOTALS
Charming 4
Regina 2
Jiminy Cricket 2
Rumple 1
Prince James 1
Title: Re: Once Upon a Time Death Count
Post by: Outlast on December 12, 2015, 05:05:32 PM
Episode Seven - The Heart is a Lonely Hunter
I guess Graham must've truly loved Emma since kissing her brought back his memories. So sad. Regina killing him like she did has to be near the top of the evil charts and as far as I recall no one has ever called her on that one. Surely once Emma broke the curse she must've remembered all the things Graham said before he died and put the pieces together. Emma's not a dumb character (at least she certainly wasn't in season one).

Also in this episode Regina alludes to having killed Snow's father Leopold, though off-screen that still counts since it's well verified. And Graham kills a guy in a bar back in The Enchanted Forest.

1.7 The Heart is a Lonely Hunter
Graham 1
Regina 2


TOTALS
Charming 4
Regina 4
Jiminy Cricket 2
Rumple 1
Prince James 1
Graham 1
Title: Re: Once Upon a Time Death Count
Post by: LindaM on December 15, 2015, 09:05:39 AM
Okay -- I started season two last night and it's more complicated than I thought.

Season 2, Episode 1 -- Broken

After regaining their memories, people want vengeance on Regina.  Gold gets his vengeance by marking her with the wraith ensignia. When the wraith shows up to claim Regina, the town is wreck. Using Jefferson's hat, they send it down the portal.  Emma gets sucked down the hole too and Snow goes with her because she's not losing her daughter again. Meanwhile Philip has awaken Aurora, Mulan has been introduced, Phillip gets marked by the wraith.

Death count: Phillip by wraith
Almost death:  Regina by wraith, mob threatened her.
Title: Re: Once Upon a Time Death Count
Post by: LindaM on December 15, 2015, 09:12:28 AM
Season 2, Episode 2, We Are Both

With Emma and Snow missing, Charming has to become the leader.  While he wants to focus on saving Emma and Snow, he must stop the townspeople from crossing the line and forgetting the Enchanted Forest.  Meanwhile in the Enchanted Forest, Aurora wants vengeance and it is aimed at Emma and Mary Margaret who had the necklace when they fell through the portal.  Emma and Snow put in a pit where they find Cora who claims to no longer have her power. We also learn more about Regina's marriage to Snow's dad.  She imagined killing Snow, tried to run away but was caught by Cora

Death count:  Reminder that Daniel was killed by Cora because Snow told.

Other notes:  Grumpy pushed Sneezy across town line causing Sneezy to lose his memory of who he really is.  No explanation on how he got back.
Regina who seemed to lose magic (see new area) regain control and threatens town to get Henry back.
For love of Henry, Regina starts turning her back on using magic to get what she wants.
Title: Re: Once Upon a Time Death Count
Post by: LindaM on December 15, 2015, 09:21:41 AM
Season 3, Episode 3 -- Lady of the Lake

This one is difficult for death counts.  Charming and Snow are fighting King George so there is a battle.  Snow gets captured and taken to George.  He has put a curse in the wine she drinks that prevents her from having a child. The work done, he leaves Snow in the woods and she makes it to Charming's mom's house where they are attacked by poison arrows and swords. Charming defeats all but his mom is dying. Lancelot has been helping George until he finds out what George did to Snow and teams with Charming. Charming starts to really become David in this show.  Meanwhile Emma and Snow have been brought before the chief who turns out to be Lance.  He releases them and Snow knows where there is a portal they can use -- her castle. They are given Mulan to get them there safely and Aurora tags along with the intention of killing Snow/Emma. Emma stops them. They are attacked by orges when Emma fires her gun. When they arrive at the castle, Lancelot shows up.  Only it's not Lance but Cora who slips up and reveals Henry's name (which Lance wouldn't know). Emma burns the wardrobe and that portal, Cora disappears. When Emma/Snow and crew leave, Cora returns, gets some ashes from the wardrobe which holds magic.

Death Count:  Won't count battle since we didn't see any fall.
At Charming's mom:  5 of George's soldiers which Charming kills.
                               Charming's mom killed by poison arrow shot by George's men.
Off screen and in the past:  Cora killed Lance and has been impersonating him.
Orge War:  Took out many of those who remained behind when Regina's curse was placed.

Note:  Charming's mom could have lived if she had drunk the drop of water from the lake.  Instead she got Charming and Snow married by Lance who gave Snow the drop of water to drink so the curse would be broken.
George curses Snow and David due to David not being the son he wanted.
Henry goes down to Regina's vault and hears all the hearts.  Where are they now, by the way?
Title: Re: Once Upon a Time Death Count
Post by: Outlast on December 15, 2015, 09:39:11 AM
So the season Two Death Count total so far should be - Charming 5

With George as a possible point for Momma Charming. I would count her death as a point for George actually I think since he ordered it and his soldiers don' have characters of their own. Plus we'll probably come to this situation again when Regina starts burning down villages. Does it only count if she personally kills each villager? I don't think so.

As for Lancelot I would absolutely put that down as a point for Cora if he weren't inexplicably alive again in season five. I think we need to wait and hear what happened before we issue him a death point.

Oh and Daniel's death will get a point (and a place on our most evil acts list some day) once I get to that episode in season one. I might watch 'Desperate Souls' today if I can. I love that one.

SO...
Totals for S2 (after 3 episodes)
Charming 5
George 1

Since we're doing multiple seasons at once, I think we should keep the death counts seasonal until we finish and total them all up. So far Charming is well into the lead, although he at least hasn't killed any good people (yet).

And again I appreciate your doing seasons 2 & 4 LM. I'd much rather read your recaps than re-watch them at this point. 1 & 3 are my favorite seasons of Once. Though I admit I probably should re-watch the even seasons at some point to rank the episodes from a better perspective than my memory.
Title: Re: Once Upon a Time Death Count
Post by: LindaM on December 15, 2015, 03:20:16 PM
Well, i will have to rewatch all to write the book.  I decided to submit a chapter on 2a for the published work.
Title: Re: Once Upon a Time Death Count
Post by: Outlast on December 15, 2015, 10:36:12 PM
Episode 8 - Desperate Souls
Now that... was a superbly written and acted episode. Both the Enchanted Forest story and the Storybrook story were excellent and they paired perfectly. I think this is one of the best episodes once ever produced.

This is Rumple's backstory. In it we meet Baelfire for the first time and we see how Rumple was before the dark curse, he was friendless and lame in his own words and his boy was all he had. So when the soldiers threatened to take his son to use as cannon fodder he did what came naturally; he ran. Unfortunately the lame aren't very good at running and well... you know the story as well as I do. I should mention that the lead recruiter/soldier/child stealer referred to him as 'the man who ran' and implied that his flight from the battlefield lead to defeat or something - none of which jives with the story they ultimately tell about Rumple's time in the army and how he lamed himself and was presumably sent home in disgrace. It would've made more sense if he'd been some kind of champion runner who commanded a battalion or something and then he ran away and his men got killed. Then maybe they caught him later and lamed him in punishment. Of course that's pure fanfiction/retcon at this point and it doesn't take his encounter with The Seer into account at all.

The Storybrooke half dealt with Emma becoming Sheriff after Graham's death. There was a fire, which she pulled Regina's 'arse' out of and she stands up to Mr. Gold, which ultimately wins her the election... just as Gold knew it would. Perfect.

Anyway death wise Rumple kills Zoso and 5 bad guys, so + six for Rumple. Biggest kill rate in a single episode yet.

1.8 Desperate Souls
Rumple 6

TOTALS Season One (so far)
Rumple 7
Regina 4
Charming 4
Jiminy Cricket 2
Prince James 1
Graham 1
Title: Re: Once Upon a Time Death Count
Post by: Outlast on December 15, 2015, 10:37:59 PM
Episode 9 - True North
At first glance True North seems like one of the most useless episodes in OUAT 1.0 (unless you just love to watch Lana chew the scenery, at which she excelled back then), but actually quite a few things happen in this episode... Regina gets her (cursed) apple thanks to Hansel and Gretal, Snow sees Emma's baby blanket and feels unaccountably moved by it, we get a glimpse of the newspaper clipping from when Emma was found, 'seven year old boy finds baby' and not coincidentally 'The Stranger' arrives in storybrooke with his mysterious box that ends up being part of one of the least satisfying reveals in OUAT history.

Oh and this is the episode where Emma lies to Henry about his father.

The Enchanted Forest story with Hansel and Gretel isn't very important, basically they fetch Regina's apple for her and disappear to 'forgotten character island' (I like that term lol). If this episode does anything really it's to illustrate how evil Regina really is. She not only sends Hansel and Gretel into the witch's hands, but she tells them afterwards that they aren't the first children she's sent there! Presumably the other children make up much of the pile of bones at the witch's house. I'd love to give Regina points for all those dead kids, but unfortunately I have no way of ascertaining their number.  Maybe like her eventually village death toll, we should just assign an arbitrary number of death kids to her total.

Anyway the only onscreen death in True North is the blind witch, who I thought Hansel and Gretel killed, but I'd forgotten that they just locked her in the oven and ran. It was Regina who turned up the heat (so to speak).

1.9 True North
Regina 1

TOTALS Season One (so far)
Rumple 7
Regina 5
Charming 4
Jiminy Cricket 2
Prince James 1
Graham 1

Title: Re: Once Upon a Time Death Count
Post by: Outlast on December 15, 2015, 10:41:28 PM
Episode 10 - 7:15 a.m.
Did I say True North felt useless at first? No maybe that was this one. It's so full of Mary Margaret and David's cursed muddle that it's very annoying to watch. This is the episode were Catherine thinks she might be pregnant leading to the oh so stomach-turning  ending line of David: "She's not pregnant!" ...cue long and passionate smooch. ugh.

Other than that there is some friendship stuff between Snow and Red which is fine and an awesome scene between Snow and Rumple, 'what do you need of my hair?; What do you need of it now it's been plucked from your head?'  Snow meets the dwarves for the first time and 8th dwarf Stealthy is killed by one of King George's men (another plausible point for George?) and Charming leaves Catherine at the altar and goes to find Snow who has taken a potion to forget him.

Oh and Emma must have a thing for guys in leather because she and 'The Stranger' seem to have a lot of chemistry in this episode.

1.10 7:15 a.m.
George 1 (questionable)

TOTALS Season One (so far)
Rumple 7
Regina 5
Charming 4
Jiminy Cricket 2
Prince James 1
King George 1
Graham 1
Title: Re: Once Upon a Time Death Count
Post by: Outlast on December 18, 2015, 11:30:00 AM
Just heard a great song and I wanted to share it here.

This is dedicated to Regina
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=AgPOezqSqe0
The Only Traitor by the Whiskeydicks

Because a king is only as good as his queen.  :king:
Title: Re: Once Upon a Time Death Count
Post by: LindaM on December 18, 2015, 07:27:42 PM
I'll listen to it tomorrow. 
Title: Re: Once Upon a Time Death Count
Post by: Outlast on December 19, 2015, 05:01:55 PM
Episode 11 - Fruit of the Poisonous Tree
This one was Sydney's backstory and we see him manipulated by Regina throughout. In The Enchanted Forest half Snow's father King Leopold finds  The Genie (Sydney) and frees him with his first wish, using his second wish to give the third wish to Sydney who echoes Rumple's magic quote by saying  that 'all wishes have a price' which certainly is the case in this story. Regina tricks the genie into killing her husband and then when he uses that last wish to 'stay by her side and always look on her face' he becomes her magic mirror. The Storybrooke side is more of the same, except this time Emma is the dupe and Sydney is once more thoroughly under Regina's thrall.

We also have excellent foreshadowing for Skin Deep from Mr. Gold who says,' Be careful, emotional entanglements can lead us down dangerous paths.' and they pay service to The Thing You Love Most by giving Henry Sr. the line 'they know I'd die for her (Regina)'.

Death wise we have an interesting situation. I've already given Regina a point for killing her husband since she claims responsibility for it in an earlier episode, but as we see in 1.11 it's actually Sydney who unleashes the viper on the king. So who gets the point? I've already given George points twice for ordering a death he didn't actually commit himself and certainly if I plan on holding Zelena accountable for Neal's death (and I do) then Regina is equally culpable in this case. So can I really give two people a point for the same death? I think I can.

1.11 Fruit of the Poisonous Tree
Sydney Glass - 1

TOTALS Season One (so far)
Rumple 7
Regina 5
Charming 4
Jiminy Cricket 2
Prince James 1
King George 1
Graham 1
Sydney Glass - 1
Title: Re: Once Upon a Time Death Count
Post by: Outlast on December 19, 2015, 05:05:00 PM
Episode 12 - Skin Deep
I know I'm biased on Rumple stories, but I love this episode. Both sides are strong and we get so much character stuff in here! Rumple (of course) takes center stage, but we also get great Emma in this episode (she was awesome in season one) and the scene with Regina (in full evil queen mode) with Gold in the jail at the end... delicious. And Belle... I miss this Belle. She's so self-assured and so kind. She's sees through the beast right to the real man underneath, yet she's so innocent that she gets tricked by Regina. Also this marks Belle's first kidnapping - by Regina for at least 28 (more likely 30+) years.

And all the references to Beauty and the Beast throughout with the chipped cup and 'the old woman selling flowers'... perfect.

QUOTES!
I wasn’t asking if she was engaged. I’m not looking for ‘love’ – I’m looking for a caretaker for my rather large estate. It’s her, or no deal.

Yeah, well, I’m a difficult man to love.

Rumpelstiltskin: You will dust my collection and launder my clothing.
Belle: Yes.
Rumpelstiltskin: You will fetch me fresh straw when I’m spinning at the wheel.
Belle: Got it.
Rumpelstiltskin: Oh! And you will skin the children I hunt for their pelts.
(Belle drops the cup of tea onto the floor.)
Rumpelstiltskin: That one was a quip – not serious.
(She kneels to pick up the cup. When she holds it up, there’s a chip missing on the edge.)
Belle: I’m, uh… I’m so sorry, but, uh… It’s… It’s chipped. Y-You can hardly see it.
Rumpelstiltskin: Well, it’s just a cup

Belle: Why do you spin so much?
(He pauses and looks at her.)
Belle: Sorry. It’s just… You’ve spun straw into more gold than you could ever spend.
Rumpelstiltskin: I like to watch the wheel – helps me forget.
Belle: Forget what?
Rumpelstiltskin: I guess it worked.

Rumpelstiltskin: What are you doing?
Belle: Opening these. It’s almost spring – we should let some light in.
(She tugs on the curtains again.)
Belle: What did you do? Nail them down?
Rumpelstiltskin: Yeah.
(Belle tries pulling the curtains again, except this time, she pulls them entirely off the rod. She falls, but Rumpelstiltskin catches her.)
Belle: Thank you.
(He sets her down.)
Belle: Thank you.
Rumpelstiltskin: It’s no matter.
Belle: I’ll, uh, put the curtains back up.
Rumpelstiltskin: Ah, there’s no need. I’ll get used to it.

Regina: I want you, to answer one question. And answer it simply – what’s your name?
Mr. Gold: It’s Mr. Gold.
Regina: Your real name.
Mr. Gold: Every moment I’ve spent on this earth, that’s been my name.
Regina: But what about moments spent elsewhere?
Mr. Gold: What are you asking me?
Regina: I think you know. If you want me to return what’s yours – tell me your name.
Mr. Gold: Rumpelstiltskin. Now give me what I want.
Regina: Such hostility.
Mr. Gold: Oh, yeah.
(Regina pulls out the chipped cup from her purse.)
Regina: Over this? Such a sentimental little keepsake.
(She dangles it in front of him until he grabs it from her.)
Mr. Gold: Thank you… Your Majesty. So. Now that we’re being honest with each other, let’s remember how things used to be, shall we? And don’t let these bars fool you, dear. I’m the one with the power around here. I’m going to be out of here in no time, and nothing between us will change.

On the bad side it has that horrid valentine card disaster and the boring girls night out side plot.

Death wise we only have poor old Gaston who Rumple turns into a rose, with a small assist from Belle who snips off his feet and puts him in a vase.

1.12 Skin Deep
Rumple 1

TOTALS Season One (so far)
Rumple 8
Regina 5
Charming 4
Jiminy Cricket 2
Prince James 1
King George 1
Graham 1
Sydney Glass - 1
Title: Re: Once Upon a Time Death Count
Post by: Outlast on December 22, 2015, 04:13:40 PM
Episode 13 - What Happened to Frederick
Well let's see. Charming kills The Siren (and later we'll learn lake Nostros itself dies too), we learn what happened to Frederick... that's about it.

1.13 What Happened to Frederick
Charming 1

TOTALS Season One (so far)
Rumple 8
Regina 5
Charming 5
Jiminy Cricket 2
Prince James 1
King George 1
Graham 1
Sydney Glass - 1

Episode 14 - Dreamy
This was a cute episode. It's too bad they basically dropped the Dreamy/Grumpy/Nova/Astrid romance, it had potential. We got a good speech on love from Belle at the tavern (just before kidnapping #1 in the timeline) and we learn that Gold hates nuns - Leroy: "Who hates nuns?!" Gold has his reasons. Too bad they don't get into that much either. Character wise I think this is where Emma first starts to doubt her special lie detecting skills, yet another thing Regina does to her. I miss confident not emotionally screwed-up (at least outwardly) Emma.

Deaths
None
Title: Re: Once Upon a Time Death Count
Post by: LindaM on December 22, 2015, 09:12:49 PM
Season 3, Episode 4 -- The Crocodile  (Long episode recap -- sorry about that)

Okay this is a Rumple story with the added bonus of Hook's first appearance.  Let's break the story down.  Belle is dreaming of Gold giving her a necklace. She awakes and goes to find him. He's spinning gold and doing magic which upsets Bell. She asks where he was, he lies, and she leaves.  Belle is in town enjoying  a ice tea and talk with Red who tells her about the library. She tries to get in and the door is locked. She goes around to look in a window and Smee grabs her and takes her to her father. When he can't convince her not to love Gold, he and Smee take her to the mines to send her out of Storybrooke so she forgets. Rumple has gone to David for help finding Belle and Red sniffs her out. Rumple prevents Belle from leaving and she disowns both of them. The next morning she awakens and goes downstairs to eat. A present has been left for her, the library key. She enters to find Rumple who left the key. They talk through things and she asks him to take her for a hamburger.

In the old days in the Enchanted Forest,  Rumple arrives home to find MIlah missing and Baelfire (Bae) by himself. Milah is down at the local bar having a good time when Rumple finds her.  He also finds Hook. She sees Bae and returns home. Seems she wanted to be a widow due to the Ogre Wars. Milah leaves and Rumple (good by the way) goes looking only to find she's on Hook's ship and they're taking her with them. When he arrives, Killian Jones (not yet Hook), says she will entertain his crew. Killian challenges Rumple to a fight which he loses and Millah sails off with Hook. After Rumple becomes the "Dark One," Hook shows back up.  Hook lies when he is asked where Milah is.  Milah shows up in the alley and asks Rumple to let Hook live because she loves him. In exchange, she will given Rumple Bae's blanket and knows about the magic bean. Rumple and Hook still duel on the ship. In the end, Rumple takes Milah's heart (and the blanket) and crushes it. When Hook tries to kill him, Rumple tells him it will take more and cuts off his hand.  Hook picks up the hook which gives him his name and new hand. Hook uses the bean to open a portal to Neverland.

Present Enchanted Forest, Hook is on the lake shore and Cora enters. Hook wants the Crocodile and Cora wants her daughter.  Off to Storybrooke they plan to go with the dust from the wardrobe.

Rumple:  1 (Milah)

Totals for S2 (after 4 episodes)
Charming 5
George 1
Rumple 1

Rumple:  "Magic is power."
Belle: "You need courage to let me in."
Killian:  "I do consider myself an honorable man, a man with a code.
Killian (about what to tell Bae about Milah and the reason she left): "Tell him the truth. His father is a coward."
Rumple: "Always like to make an impression."

On Killian's ship:
Rumple:  One question. How could you leave Bae.
Milah: I was a coward. I let my misery cloud my judgment.

Notes: Only the Dark One has eternal life.
Smee knows about magical things.
We learn how Killian becomes Hook.
Smee begs Killian for his life and becomes a shipmate.
Rumple finds out he is hated.
Rumple finds out from David how he and Mary Margaret "made it" as a couple -- honesty of the hear
Title: Re: Once Upon a Time Death Count
Post by: Outlast on December 24, 2015, 06:10:20 PM
Episode 15 -Red-Handed
Another great episode from season one. Granny is so cool, especially when she has her crossbow. The twist with Red should I think go on the list of all time best twists.

Deaths - Red kills four hunters in wolf form and then she eats her boyfriend Peter. Also in Storybrooke Red finds a heart in a box and since Regina clearly put it there, I'm going to say she gets a point for killing somebody (who whether a new one from Storybrook or an older heart from her vault - it would still kill whoever to lose it) and I enjoy giving Regina points, especially for season one where she was super duper evil basically all the way through.

1.15 Red-Handed
Red - 5
Regina 1

TOTALS Season One (so far)
Rumple 8
Regina 6
Charming 5
Red - 5
Jiminy Cricket 2
Prince James 1
King George 1
Graham 1
Sydney Glass - 1

Episode 16 - Heart of Darkness
Snow's intervention scene was very funny and the through line with Rumple and the Charmings;
Rumple (in BOTH timelines) "Let's just say I'm invested in your future." and this is the episode where he mixes Snow and Charmings hair to create the love potion (#9?)...
Rumple "Love is the most powerful magic of all."

I did spot what a assume is a goof in Gold's shop he's talking to Emma while polishing the genie lamp and a wedding band is clearly visible on his left hand, so either there is some seriously timey whimey stuff happening here that we've yet to address or the actor just forgot to take it off. I like option one!

1.16 Heart of Darkness
None

Episode 17 - Hat Trick
What a great episode. Season one is the best by far.

Deathyness - Regina kills at least three guards in wonderland by flinging them into the carnivorous maze walls. She traps more behind the last wall, but it's unclear if they die. The Queen of Hearts beheads Jefferson, but since he doesn't die I guess we can't give her a point for that one and Snow kicks Jefferson's through a window in Storybrooke, but again he doesn't die.

Also I know he doesn't die from it, but the way Regina used Jefferson and then deliberately abandoned him in Wonderland (thus separating him forever from his motherless daughter!) was pretty awful. Perhaps worthy of the most evil acts list if I ever get started on that.

1.17 Hat Trick
Regina 3

TOTALS Season One (so far)
Regina 9
Rumple 8
Charming 5
Red - 5
Jiminy Cricket 2
Prince James 1
King George 1
Graham 1
Sydney Glass - 1

Episode 18 - The Stable Boy

They sure did a good job making Regina and Henry Sr. look younger for the flashbacks and I think I mentioned it already, but Cora killing Daniel should definitely figure high on the evil list.

1.18 The Stable Boy
Cora 1

TOTALS Season One (so far)
Regina 9
Rumple 8
Charming 5
Red - 5
Jiminy Cricket 2
Prince James 1
King George 1
Graham 1
Sydney Glass  1
Cora 1

Episode 19 - The Return
It's a wonder Rumple hasn't killed the blue fairy yet. Such a sad episode. Auguest in Storybrooke earned some big evil cred in this episode manipulating Rumple's feelings like that. He's been searching for his son for two centuries or more and you pretend to be him until you get the dagger and then you try to control the dark one inside him with it? NOT COOL leather jacket man. ...it was a great scene though. I can't deny that.

Deathwise - we see Rumple turn a peasant into a snail and step on him and later he appears with blood on his boot and tells Bae, "We need to get a new maid." which I presume means he killed the last one.

1.19 The Return
Rumple 2

TOTALS Season One (so far)
Rumple 10
Regina 9
Charming 5
Red - 5
Jiminy Cricket 2
Prince James 1
King George 1
Graham 1
Sydney Glass  1
Cora 1
Title: Re: Once Upon a Time Death Count
Post by: LindaM on December 30, 2015, 08:04:04 AM
Finally got to episode 5 and I know the reason I had trouble with Season 2, Episode 5.  It's the Whale Episode known as "The Doctor".  Two reasons:  I hated Dr. Whale.  Doctor also reminds me of our beloved Time Lord.  It's actually better on the second viewing and really gives a lot of story.  Now on to the synposis and death count.  We have one that will be listed as a maybe.

Present Day Enchanted Forest:  Auroa, Milan, SNow and Emma have returned to the camp to find all dead. Aurora and Milan think it is an ogre attack but wait.  They're missing their hearts so Emma and Snow know that it was Cora.  Suddenly, a hand moves.  They remove the debris to find Hook (or Killian Jones as he introduces himself).  Hook gets tied to a tree with the threat of death if he doesn't reveal what he knows of Cora's plan.  He offers them the same. She has a part of the wardrobe and needs the magic compass to get to Storybrooke.  For that a quest is needed and he knows where they can find the compass.  He leads them to a ridge where they see the beanstalk.

Past Enchanted Forest:  Rumple is giving Regina a magic lesson.  While she will use magic to subdue an unicorn, she just can't take it's heart.  Rumple does and tells her that he now controls it because if you take a heart, you control that thing.  Rumple says that she needs to kill it. When she refuses because it is an innocent, Rumple tells her that nothing is innocent.  He kills it and tells her that she's not meant for his plan. 

Rumple is spinning when Regina visits.  Regina wants to use magic to bring back Daniel but Rumples says it can't be done.  Meanwhile Jefferson, who is there, overhears the request.  He knows a wizard who says he can do it.  Enter a secret meeting with Dr. Frankenstein (Whale) who needs an enchanted heart to bring back the dead.  He promises Regina that he will restore Daniel if she gets him a heart so Regina goes to her mother's vault and steals one.  She has no idea whose she takes as her mother has taken so many.  Frank tries to bring Daniel back but can't.  Can't my eye. He lies and Rumple  activates the hate that send both Whale and Jefferson out of Enchanted Forest.  Rumple is happy because he knows that Regina can now take a heart which she does when she finds Rumple with his new trainee.  No more trainee. 

Meanwhile Frank has returned to lab, tried the experiment and got life in his brother's body. He admits that science is his magic.

Present Day Storybrooke:  Dr. Whale goes tot talk to David about his search to get Snow back.  David is sure they can.  When Whale doesn't get the answer he wants, he goes to visit Regina and wants her to send him back to his land.  She tells him that the curse only allowed her to bring living and those she wanted so his brother didn't come.  Regina did brings some of her beloved dead though and it includes her father and Daniel who is under a preservation spell.  Meanwhile David has given Knight to be Henry a horse but he must care for it before David lets him ride it. 

Regina has seen Daniel on the street and found that he's vanished from the vault. She goes looking for Whale who has tried to put one of the enchanted hearts in Daniel's body only to lose an arm in the process.  Regina grabs David and tells him everything. When asked by David, "Whose heart?" Regina replies she doesn't know because there are so many.  Regina realizes that Daniel is retracking his last steps and is at the stables. Daniel almost chokes Henry but Regina arrives and gets Daniel back to himself for just the necessary second.  He asks her to kill him and she does with tears. Meanwhile Whale goes to Rumple and asks him to reattach his arm. Rumple does is Whale admist something.  Whale admits that he needs magic. 

Quotes:

Rumple: "Magic is power.  Until yoiu take the power, you haven't learned anything."
Rumple:  "Dead is dead."   "Transcending death is beyond my realm."

Emma (to Hook):  "I'm pretty good at knowing when someone is lying to me."

Foreshadowing:

Rumple has Jefferson's hat because he's supposed to get him a pair of slippers that will take him to a land without magic (ie. search for Bael and also Oz).

Totals for S2 (after 4 episodes)
Cora (village) 100
Charming 5
George 1
Rumple 1
Regina 1 (although the guy was already dead).
Title: Re: Once Upon a Time Death Count
Post by: Outlast on December 31, 2015, 02:16:58 PM
I remembering hating Whale (and that weird B & W tie in place) too because A) Whale was a creep and B) This was the first time Once really strayed from the fairy tale genre. Now that they've done it many times the sting is somewhat gone and I actually enjoyed seeing him againin 5 when he delivered Zelena's spawn.

Episode 20 - The Stranger
This is Pinocchio's backstory wherein we learn that Geppetto is both selfish and stupid and the Blue Fairy is a weak liar. Why anyone involved thought sending a seven year old boy to 'take care of' a newborn would work in any world I can't fathom.

I can't begin to imagine what being in the foster care system is really like but I hope it isn't as bad as Once makes it look. I always thought the solidarity of an orphanage would be better than being shipped from house to house and getting your heart broken every time you're moved on. But really what do I know. Sort of like 'The Christmas Story' (foreign language Christmas film) when young Saint Nick's folks died and the town decided to swap him around every year so he wouldn't be too big a burden on any one family and he was so sad all the time, but then when the mean old man offered to take him he was happier, just because he felt like he had a place again. Sorry babbling agin.

1.20 The Stranger
Deaths None

Episode 21 - An Apple as Red as Blood

Time to storm the castle boys!
This battle scene was heck to count, but as best as I could tell Grumpy killed two fairy clearly. Snow also killed two clearly, but three more fell down when she slashed them in the gut, so I guess they're dead too. But when the fairies arrive and put all the remaining guards to sleep we don't see any dead guards on the ground at all. Granted we don't see the whole battle area, but some of those guys should've still been down.

Meanwhile in Storybrooke Regina sacrifices her last remaining magic to bring her poisoned apple over from the EF and she bakes Emma an apple turnover which (of course) Henry eats to finally prove to his mom that magic is real and that Regina IS the Evil Queen. We also get a couple of excellent Regina vs. Mr. Gold scenes which always make me happy.

QUOTE of the episode
Grumpy: (to Snow who is disarming to meet the queen) "Keep the little knife between your tuffets." LOL

Deaths
"Red you a' you got someone on your chin" = Red +1 (she probably killed more but it was off-screen)
Snows kills 5 guards
Grumpy kills 2 guards

1.21 An Apple as Red as Blood
Snow 5
Grumpy 2
Red 1

TOTALS Season One (so far)
Rumple 10
Regina 9
Red - 6
Charming 5
Snow 5
Grumpy 2
Jiminy Cricket 2
Prince James 1
King George 1
Graham 1
Sydney Glass  1
Cora 1

Episode 22 - A Land Without Magic
Henry is asleep/dying in Storybrooke and within 5 minutes Emma believes in magic. In the old EF Charming battles Rumple (in his super sexy leather duds) for Snow's ring. Emma and Regina go to Gold for help and he tells them everything about how he made the curse and how he bottled true love using strands of her parents hair ect. and then he tells them where he hid the rest of the potion INSIDE Maleficent! He gives Emma her father's sword. Awwww.

Emma goes to August for help but he promptly turns back into wood.

Regina lowers Emma into the basement to fight the dragon, which she does (intercut nicely which her dad fighting the same dragon back in the EF I might add). Does that count as a point for Emma? 

In the hospital Jefferson knocks off the basement nurse and frees Belle in the hopes that Rumple will punish Regina for it. BELLE IS FREEE!!!!!!

Emma tries to use the elevator and it doesn't work. Gold appears to save her and gets her to give up the 'egg' . He tied Regina up. At the hospital Emma is told that it's too late, Henry is gone. Broken-heartedly she gives him one last (actually first) kiss and WHAM! THE CURSE IS BROKEN!!!! Blue Fairy tells Regina she'd better find a place to hide.

Gold gets true love out of the egg and Belle shows up!!! He's so shocked and so happy and so very pissed at Regina. Belle doesn't remember him at first (heartbreak for all!) He takes the potion to the town well and drops it inside... MAGIC IS COMING!

Regina smiles.

Deaths wise - Charming defeats two guards in the EF, but I don't think he killed them. He choked one of them pretty good, but I don't think he died. Graham appears briefly to kill a guard and save Charming's life and as I mentioned Emma slays Maleficent in her dragon form, but since she returns in season four I'm not sure I can count that as a point so I won't.

They really should've had Regina called out on killing Graham either in the finale or soon in season two.

QUOTES
Rump: "...I saved some (potion) for a rainy day"
Emma: "Well it's storming like a bitch where is it?"

1.22 A Land Without Magic
Graham 1

TOTALS for Season One
Rumple 10
Regina 9
Red - 6
Charming 5
Snow 5
Graham 2
Grumpy 2
Jiminy Cricket 2
Prince James 1
King George 1
Sydney Glass  1
Cora 1

Well there we have it. Season one is done and it was pretty near perfect. Sure I could've done with less of the David/Mary Margaret/Catherine thing and as I've said I think it would've been less icky if they made her his fiancee in Storybrooke as she was in the EF. And I do think someone as some point should've held Regina accountable for Graham's death (more of a season two gripe given all the action in the finale) and I do wonder if Rumple hadn't brought back the magic, would Bae have found the town anyway and everyone have been happy ever after (except for Regina possibly)?
Title: Re: Once Upon a Time Death Count
Post by: Outlast on January 12, 2016, 11:43:17 PM
SEASON THREE

Finally started season 3!

3.1 - The Heart of the Truest Believer
We open season three with Emma giving birth in prison (accompanied by an interesting electrical phenomenon) - flash to the Jolly Roger on its way to Neverland.
Greg and Tamara (ah memories) arrive in Neverland with Henry and try to signal 'the home office' who unfortunately for them don't really exist... it's all Peter Pan's doing.

Hook muses on how long he tried to escape Neverland to kill Rumple and now here he is sailing back in with him as the guest of honor. Emma is super emotional right now.

Emma: "How can you two be so infuriatingly optimistic?!"
Charming: "It's who we are."
- I miss the infuriatingly optimistic Charmings :(

Cue adorable costume change from Rumple.
Hook: "Oh that's a great use of our time; a wardrobe change." :)
Rumple disappears with a dapper twirl of his cane.

Greg, Tamara and Henry meet the Lost Boys. The shadow (Pan's I believe it's reasonably clear) appears and kills Greg by ripping off his shadow and an unnamed lost boy shoots Tamara in the back. A boy saves Henry and leads him away. Gee I wonder who he is?

Hook gives Emma's Baelfire's dagger.
Neal wakes up in the company of Mulan, Aurora and Prince Phillip.
Meanwhile the Jolly Roger is attacked by mermaids leading to many amusing lines.
Charming; "I will not be capsized by fish!"
Snow: "Threatening her isn't the way to motivate her." to which Regina replies "Well I'm all out of fish food."
Regina: "Fillet the bitch"
Regina: "...you'll win her over with your rainbow kisses and unicorn stickers?"

Rumple finds Tamara and heals her arrow wound so she can speak. He asks her where Henry is, she begs for forgiveness for killing Neal. Rumple rips out her heart and crushes it.

Neal and company find Robin Hood squatting in Rumple's castle. Robin admits he owes Rumple a debt and Neal says he's happy to collect. Neal finds his father's old cane complete with markings where he kept track of Bae's height. ahhhhh. (tears)
Neal: "Might not always seem like it but family was important to dear old dad."
Neal opens a hidden cupboard which Rumple had sealed with blood magic. Handy. I wonder if they'll ever use this again?  :043:

Henry and the other boy jump off a cliff, proving Henry is the truest believer.

Felix (who I find I miss) welcomes Rumple to Neverland and tells him he's always welcome as long as he isn't here for 'the boy'. They don't exactly part as friends, but Felix gives Rumple a doll anyway.
Felix: "Isn't it funny how things we haven't thought of in year still have the ability to make us cry? ...see you around 'Dark One'."

A hero, a villain a pirate and a mother... stalk off to save Henry who is currently flying over the island with Pan who reveals himself to Henry.

Deaths
Pan kills Greg by ripping off his shadow (ouch).
Regina kills a mermaid by turning her to wood.
Rumple Kills Tamara by crushing her heart.
 
3.1 The Heart of the Truest Believer
Peter Pan 1
Rumple 1
Regina 1

Season Three Totals (so far)
Peter Pan 1
Rumple 1
Regina 1

3.2 - Lost Girl
The opening scene to Lost Girl is great! Rumple cuts off his shadow (which seems rather painful) and sends it away to hide his dagger.

The rest is pretty much useless wandering through Neverland leading to the less than startling admission from Emma about who she truly is... an orphan.

The EF part was yet more from my least favorite (mainly because it is so overused) fairy tale flashback series of Snow and Charming 'taking back the kingdom'. Soooo repetitive.  Specifically this is the one with fake Excalibur.

Also fake Belle appears to tempt Rumple. You'd think this would save the episode, but honestly even those scenes feel like filler.

I admit there were some decent scenes between Charming Rumple and Snow regarding Camelot, Merlin and Excalibur which are more interesting now that we've been to Camelot.
Rumple: (after dissolving the fake Excalibur) "Sword's a fake Dearie. Shoddy craftsmanship too, but then again what can you expect from a shepherd (you're) lucky it wasn't made out of wool."

Oh and Rumple keeps trying to get rid of the doll, but it keeps coming back so he pockets it and moves on.

Final Quote
Pan to Emma: "When we finish you won't just feel like an ophan; you'll be one!" - cut to Charming's dreamshade wound.

3.2 Lost Girl
No deaths at all. Charming gets infected with dreamshade though.
Title: Re: Once Upon a Time Death Count
Post by: Outlast on January 14, 2016, 01:30:37 PM
3.3 - Quite a Common Fairy
This one is about Tinkerbell, she 'saves' Regina from falling and shows her 'the man with the lion tattoo'. (always thought it would be funny if they revealed that ALL the merry men had that tattoo LOL). And The Blue Fairy once more comes off as nasty.

Neal uses four year old Roland to lure in the shadow and hitch a ride to Neverland where he is greeted by his old pal Felix.

Tinkerbell imo wasn't fleshed out well, mainly because her back-story is almost entirely about Regina and we learn nothing about Tinkerbell herself or why they need her to talk to Pan since they don't get into their relationship at all.

QUOTES
Pan: "Who doesn't like apples?
Henry: "It's a family thing."

Rumple to Regina: "Roast swan? That's amusing (giggle) ...you'll get that later."
Rumple to Regina: "You think you're the diner at the feast, tasting the offerings, a little love, a little darkness... what you don't realize is that you ARE the feast and The Darkness has tasted you! The darkness likes how you taste dearie. It doesn't mind the bitter. And now that's it's started the meal, it's gonna finish it. You can no more fly from your fate than can that swan... Don't be late (for their lesson) and bring that simmering rage... it's all you have."

Tinkerbell: "Snow White, that's her name? Even I think that's a bit precious and mine's Tinkerbell."

3.3 Quite a Common Fairy
No Deaths
Title: Re: Once Upon a Time Death Count
Post by: Outlast on January 16, 2016, 03:51:46 PM
3.4 - Nasty Habits
Neal escapes from Felix
Rumple continues either hallucinating Belle or letting the shadow pretend to be Belle, whatever that was. Then he runs into Neal and they team up to save Henry, but Neal double crosses him like a moron and ruins everything. Neal is captured and Henry starts believing in Pan.

The crew find Neal old cave and his star map.

In the past dark Rumple tries to make Baelfire happy without success.  Eventually they end up in Hamlin where the Pied Piper is luring boys into the woods with his PAN flute.
What a nasty piece of work Pan is.

3.4 Nasty Habits
Deaths none. I guess having Lost BOYS for enemies means you can't run around killing them now can you?

3.5 - Good Form
Hook used to hate rum and pirates. His brother had a Pegasus sail and pre-Hook burns it! How many curses could've been avoided with a flying multi-realm ship?

3.5 Good Form Deaths
Well Hook's brother Liam Jones dies, but he pretty much does it to himself. Even Pan can't be blamed for this one.
Title: Re: Once Upon a Time Death Count
Post by: Outlast on January 24, 2016, 12:03:52 PM
3.6 - Ariel
Pan offers Rumple his favorite breakfast; eggs in a basket and later Regina shows up to save Rumple from snogging his father's shadow who was pretending to be Belle in an attempt to temp him back to Storybrooke (and out of Neverland) and then Regina and Rumple have a very entertaining conversation... what the heck happened to this relationship? It had a great dynamic and now it's just outright hatred from Regina for... I don't know/remember why.

Oh and they meet a realm crossing mermaid who will prove useful in future.

Actually the Ariel story is fairly well done I must admit, though the relationship between her and Eric is far too minimal to feel realistic.

QUOTE
Pan to Rumple: "I'm just trying to point out the silver lining in your cloudy life."

3.6 Ariel
Deaths - Regina force snaps the neck of a guard who fails her.

Season Three Totals (so far)
Regina 2
Peter Pan 1
Rumple 1

3.7 - Dark Hollow
We start off in Storybrooke on the day everyone left for Neverland. Belle is left behind to raise a protection spell over Storybrooke, she succeeds (excellent use of secondary characters in this episode btw), but a car bearing two mysteriously sinister men, let's just call them say John and Michael ok. Just manage to make it inside before the shield is complete.

In Neverland Rumple gives Ariel a message to give to Belle (see I thought you the mermaid would prove useful). Also Pan knows when someone leaves (or arrives) in Neverland.

Belle is depressed because Rumple said he would have to die to save Henry and she can't even help him... then Ariel shows up with Rumple's message (boy is it nice to see love in Belle eyes instead of confusion) and she's thrilled to have lines... 'er to be able to help. She uses Chip to find Pandora's box which she sends to Rumple through Ariel after a little difficulty from the strangers. Honestly this may be Belle at her best outside of Skin Deep. She was great in this episode.

Henry is fooled by Pan and Wendy Darling... not exactly his best moment.

Hook, Baelfire and Emma head for the titular Dark Hollow and fight over Emma who chooses Henry and catches Pan's shadow with little help from the guys.

(sigh) I really miss this Emma. And this Belle and yes this Regina and Rumple too. :( Even Snow and Charming seem to have more oomph in Neverland then in all of season 4.

3.7 Dark Hollow Deaths None
Title: Re: Once Upon a Time Death Count
Post by: Outlast on January 25, 2016, 11:07:29 PM
3.8 - Think Lovely Thoughts
This is the origin of Rumplestiltskin and his father Malcolm, which as you know is one of the best twists in OUAT. It also explains why he has bad thoughts about magic beans.

The bad side is that as soon as Rumple and Regina rejoin the 'hero' group in Neverland they all (ALL!) turn on him without question and believe Bae that Rumple is planning on murdering his own grandson. Such a ridicules scene. Regina kills her husband and her father and tries to kill her mother and her step-daughter. Hook (as we just learned) killed his own father... yet it's Rumple they don't trust? Think lovely thoughts indeed. You do realize that the dark one could crush you all at a whim if Rumple let him, right?

And what's with the child selling? Malcolm says his father sold him to a blacksmith, Hook's dad sold him and his brother to a sailor and both Rumple and the Charmings lost/sent their children into another realm alone. Come to think of it so did Gepetto. What a world.

Anyway only Rumple can enter Pan's skull (rock) because he has no shadow, so the group reluctantly entrusts him with Pandora's Box; ok so moving right along... Pan puts Rumple into Pandora's box. Henry gives Pan his heart (chump) and then Regina and Emma literally? move the moon to block out all light and make the whole shadow thing an non-issue so that they can foil Pan and save the day. Well they will in the next episode anyway. For a bit anyway.

3.8 Think Lovely Thoughts
Deaths none.

3.9 - Save Henry
Great opening scene between Regina and Rumple (in prison) just before the original curse strikes where he reveals the hole in her plans in adorable sing-song fashion.

In Storybrooke Regina comes to Gold looking for a baby. He gives her one. Regina takes to motherhood like a duck to well, crude-oil, but eventually she sort of figures it out after Dr. Whale prescribes her 10 cc's of maternal love and after she hands him to his grandma who sooths him effortlessly and after she learns about Henry being the son of the savior and after she gives him up for a bit and then changes her mind foiling Pan's hopes for John and Michael adopting him. Then she drinks a forgetting potion so that she won't know who Henry really is... really?

In Neverland Pan ties up all the mothers and Regina's congenital lack of regret finally comes in handy. Heroes win. Henry's heart is restored but... oopsie! Pan swaps bodies with Henry just as Gold (recently released by Bae - HUG!!) is putting him into Pandora's Box. Also Wendy gives Tink the last pixie dust in Neverland.

QUOTES
Regina to Gold in his shop: "I need a child Gold and I need your help."
Gold: "Well I'm flattered but, uninterested."

3.9 Save Henry
Deaths? None again.

3.10 - The New Neverland
Belle reunites Ariel and Eric just as our heroes return. She's so dang happy to see Rumple again. Much hugging and kissing ensues across the board. This scene is so perfect. So in character. So happy  and once back in his shop Gold basically proposes to Belle.
 :whoo:

In the EF the Charmings go on honeymoon and Snow begins her marriage with deceit leading them both right into the clutches of Medusa. Charming is stoned and then unstoned. Yawn.

In Storybrooke PanHenry releases the shadow to wreck havoc in town. Gold cures Charming for free and Charming goes to talk to Emma who evidently skipped out on her date with Neal. Pan's shadow 'kills' the blue fairy, but sadly it won't stick. Hook hits on Tink, sadly that doesn't stick either. Emma knows something is wrong with Henry and goes to Gold for help. He takes them to the town line and then releases HenryPan across the town line where Emma confronts him with a gun. They realize what happened and try to find Henry's (Pan filled) body which is currently knocking out Regina with magic powder and PanHenry frees Felix and say the title. END

QUOTES
Emma: Sure you don't have other reasons for pushing me toward Neal?
David: Like what?
Emma: I don't know, like, keeping me away from Hook?
David: You think I'm interested in Hook? Emma, I'm a married man.

Mr. Gold: No, I'm afraid we're closed. Whatever crisis you're dealing with, I'm done for the day.
Belle: Rumple.

3.10 The New Neverland
Snow kills Medusa. I guess that counts?

Season Three Totals (so far)
Regina 2
Rumple 1
Peter Pan 1
Snow White 1
Title: Re: Once Upon a Time Death Count
Post by: Outlast on January 28, 2016, 10:56:26 AM
3.11 - Going Home
We open with a dual scene of PanHenry crushing loyal Felix's heart and EVERYBODY actually listening to Gold who tells them Pan's plan and what they'll have to do to escape it.

In fairytale land we have yet more pointless Snow and Charming just pre-curse scenes.

Bae, Hook, Charming and Tink defeat the shadow using pixie dust, a magic coconut and a convenient fire. Does 'killing' the shadow count as a death? I guess not. Blue, who has her ankles crossed in her coffin which makes me laugh for some reason) is brought back to life by Tink's belief/pixie dust/black fairies wand/having her shadow returned... take your pick. Blue hands over the wand and now Rumple can do whatever he's going to do to swap Pan and Henry back into their correct bodies. Such a sweet grandfatherly scene.

While the rest of the crew heads off to find Henry (now back in his own body), Rumple stays behind to confront his father Pan, which ends very very badly for people like me who love Rumplestiltskin. Granted we will get him back in the second half of season three, but it was a long hiatus! ...anyway Rumple ends up in the magic canceling cuff because Pan is uber-powerful and he made the thing and instead of cutting off his hand (as Zelena will do later in the series), which is exactly what he should've done... they even gave him a sword! He grabs his dagger confronts his father who is about to kill all the main cast and he stabs them both with the dagger (was that really necessary? Rumple always said he had to die to stop Pan, but we never got clarity on the matter). No one comforts poor heartbroken Belle because they're all too concerned over their own troubles concerning Pan's curse, which hasn't gone away. But Regina (as Gold told her) can alter the curse enough to save Emma and Henry who are sent across the town line as the curse cloud covers the town.

ONE YEAR LATER - Hook appears on Emma and Henry (who seem very happy)'s doorstep and tries true love kiss, which doesn't work considering she knees him in the groin. Ah happy memories.

Hook to Regina: "His curse... can you stop it? Or should we all start preparing our souls, because mine is going to take some time."

3.11 Going Home
Pan kills Felix to create the dark curse (#2)
Rumple kills Pan and himself to SAVE THE WHOLE FREAKING TOWN! but I guess since he comes back only Pan's death counts here?

Season Three Totals (so far)
Regina 2
Rumple 2
Peter Pan 2
Snow White 1

3.12 - New York City Serenade

All of Storybrooke arrives on Phillip and Aurora's land, back in their fairytale clothes (Charming's complete with bloodstains). Phillip and Aurora betray them to the wicked witch who they'll find squatting in Regina's (really Snow's as Charming points out) castle. On the way to the castle they meet Robin Hood who smells of forest and several flying monkeys who probably just smell. Robin is thrilled to see Bae and especially Belle again. Bae and Belle take off to his father's rather large estate because they love him and want them back. Ahhh the memories of when characters were consistent.

In New York one year later Emma is on a date with a great guy who will in no way turn out to be a monkey. Hooks shows up again to tell her that her family needs her and leaves just as Walsh (her monkey boyfriend) comes back to propose and frankly she should've accepted, the monkey saved her life after all! Bad leftovers are a deadly menace.

Later Emma breaks into Bae's old apartment (Hook gave her the address) and finds pictures of herself and Henry in Storybrooke... what? She confronts Hook in the park, he gives her a remembering potion which she later takes after springing Hook from the jail where he was force fed something awful called baloney.  She decides to let Walsh off easy seeing as he's such a nice monkey... 'er dude. But he turns into monkey (shocker) and tries to kill her, but she gets him instead sort of? He is pushed off a building but dissolves into smoke so... not dead? Or is he? I lean not, but I don't remember getting any confirmation on him.

3.12 New York City Serenade Deaths - None?
Title: Re: Once Upon a Time Death Count
Post by: Outlast on February 04, 2016, 10:56:30 AM
3.13 - Witch Hunt
In the enchanted forest - Regina meet Zelena, Zelena meet Regina - ah sisters.

In Storybrooke - Several assorted dwarves and little John are turned into flying monkeys. Neil is also presumed monkey, but we all know that's not why he's missing.

The best part is of course the ending where we find locked up in Zelena's storm shelter... RUMPLESTILTSKIN!!!!!!! YEAH!!!!!

QUOTES
Evil Queen: The bookworm's right. It’s quite real. If our simian friend is any indication, then I think we know exactly who’s taken up residence in our castle. The Wicked Witch.
Grumpy: We talking East or West?
Snow White: Does it matter? Neither one sounds good.
Grumpy: One you drop a house on. The other one you toss a bucket of water at. (Snow White nods.)
Prince Charming: So, Regina, what exactly are we up against besides green skin and a pointy hat? What did you do to her?
Evil Queen: This time? Nothing. Never met her.
Prince Charming: This isn’t a personal vendetta? Shocking. Okay then, Oz aside, we stick to the original plan.

Rumple: "You never should've brought me back"
&
Rumple: "You feed the magic and it feeds on you... You feed the magic and it feeds on you..."
 ...all in the beloved Rumple sing-song.  :dance:

3.13 Witch Hunt Deaths
Regina turns a flying monkey into a stuffed toy... do monkey's count if we never see them in human form? I didn't count Walsh in the last episode because I wasn't sure he was dead. I am reasonably sure that this monkey IS dead, but does it count as a point?
 

3.14 - The Tower

We open with a sweet dream-sequence dance between Charming and Emma. But the rest is relatively useless to the overall plot with Charming rescuing Rapunzel who is being guarded by her own Nightroot induced fear.

There is however a powerful scene between Zelena and Rumple with the most tension filled shave I've ever seen. At the end of the episode our heroes find a spinning wheel and some golden straw and Regina seems oddly pleased.

The scene where Charming fights himself is pretty good too followed by Wicked magicing away his courageous sword. It's just the writing in the Rapunzel/nightroot story which is lacking.

QUOTES
Rumple: "All the voices in my head will be quiet when I'm... dead."

3.14 The Tower Deaths
None


Well the old dead count is getting very far with season three is it? Yet anyway. The real tragedy(some might say the turning point in the series from good to bad) is yet to come.
Title: Re: Once Upon a Time Death Count
Post by: Outlast on February 06, 2016, 02:16:42 PM
3.15 - Quiet Minds
Belle's reaction to hearing that her husband might be back from the dead was kind of... understated. At least she reminded Hook that he tried to kill her TWICE when he offers to help her research.

Belle hears someone at the door and runs to open it expecting Rumple, but it's Bae instead. Emma comes running to see him. Later Hook shows up to visit Baelfire and the reminisce over old times.

There are several shots through of Rumple running through the woods which I enjoyed and the twist with him and Baelfire was great as far at that part went.

Zelena is very creepy with pregnant Snow and Robin Hood nearly shoots Regina with an arrow as they meet for the 'first' time (memory curses suck). She sees the lion tattoo and flips out. Gosh but these two are a boring and ill-fitting couple here.

In the Enchanted Forest Belle and Neal (Bae) go to Rumple's castle to try and find a way to bring him back; In Belle's library (awww) they find Lumiere a treacherous... 'er 'friendly' candelabrum who tells them how they can accomplish their goals.  Also Neal has Emma's necklace which survived the curse journey, which Belle says proves it is TRUE LOVE (hear that Hook fans? TRUE LOVE). Later on the way to the dark vault they discuss Rumple saving the town, but really he was saving them. At the vault Belle catches onto the candle's lies and warns Bae that going through with this would be a bad idea and Bae said 'to hell with the cost'. Irony for 5b? Great. Then all the stuff at the dark vault happens and I don't really want to talk about this right now.

Overall I HATE that they killed Baelfire. He was the whole reason for the curse and in a way the whole series was build around his storyline through Rumple, Emma and Henry. But this was a very good episode imo. Very exciting and the twist was well done, I just hate that Baelfire had to die to clear the way for captain fancypants.

Belle to Bae (Neal): "I love him. All of him. Even the parts that belong to the darkness."

Bae: "Do you think there's magic in here?"
Belle: "No. Something better than magic... books."

Emma: (chuckles) Go ahead and laugh. I almost married a monster from Oz. It’s hilarious.
Neal: I almost married a minion of my evil grandfather Peter Pan. (Emma laughs) So, I know what you’re saying. (They walk on for a while) Hey, I’m sorry it didn’t work out.
Emma: Really?

Neal: It’s too late, Emma.
Emma: (sobbing) Just hang in there, please. You never even had a chance to see Henry. For him to remember you.
Neal: (labored breathing) He doesn’t need to. He just needs to know that, in the end, I was a good father. (Overhearing the conversation Mr. Gold turns around again and watches the scene. His son hands Emma a necklace.) I saved this for you to give to you again. Take it. Go find Tallahassee. Even, if it’s without me.
Emma: (sobbing) Neal.
Neal: Hey, I’ll be watching over you guys from somewhere. Promise me… (struggling to breath) just promise,… Promise me, you’ll both be happy.
Emma: (sobbing) I promise. I promise. (hugs Neal.)
Mr. Gold: (kneeling down beside his son) No, no, no. I can fix this.
Neal: No, you can’t. You can’t. (labored breathing) Thank you, papa. For showing me, what it is to make a true sacrifice. It’s about saving the ones that you love.
Mr. Gold: (sobs) No.
Neal: It’s my turn, now.
Mr. Gold: No, I don’t want to let you go.
Neal: I need you to. Please, let go.
Mr. Gold: I love you, son.
Neal: I love you, papa.

3.15 Quiet Minds Deaths
Well gee not much here excepting that this is the episode where BAELFIRE DIES!!! :( :( :(

Season Three Totals (so far)
Regina 2
Rumple 2
Peter Pan 2
Snow White 1
Zelena 1!

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(http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u4/Outlasts/Photos%20for%20Dearies/tumblr_myzog0WuUK1qbpfdbo1_500_zps8c35faca.gif) (http://s164.photobucket.com/user/Outlasts/media/Photos%20for%20Dearies/tumblr_myzog0WuUK1qbpfdbo1_500_zps8c35faca.gif.html)
 :( RIP BAELFIRE :(
Title: Re: Once Upon a Time Death Count
Post by: Outlast on February 07, 2016, 10:24:40 AM
3.16 - It's Not Easy Being Green
Here we come to one of the biggest wth plot problems in Once. Zelena's parentage. She's born to Cora (before she meets Rumple on the timeline) before she has any outward magic. Her father, as we learn in an later episode, is an ordinary lowlife which makes no sense given the fact that baby Zelena (who is named by her new parents in Oz and not Cora so the rhyming daughter names are what a coincidence?) is so powerful in magic that her baby rage causes a magical realm crossing tornado that carries her to Oz where she is found by new parents whom she saves from a branch falling on all their heads. Later her new father calls her child (her new mother having apparently died) which is disturbing because Zelena is clearly at least 30 at the time (or perhaps they just weren't as successful here in making the actress look like a teenager as they were with Regina) and he calls her wicked. She leaves him (still alive I believe so the actor could come back in future Zelena stories? Although after the various curses hit he should be at least 30 years older if Oz time runs the same as EF time so maybe not) then she visits the wizard of Oz who tells her about Cora, Regina and Rumple. He warns her about the envy which eventually turns Zelena green.

She meets Rumple who is surprised to say the least that Cora had another daughter (not surprising to us given his complicated history with Cora), but takes her on as a pupil because Z is sooo much more powerful than R. Rumple's seer ability foretold that Cora's 'daughter' would be the one to cast the curse and that's why he was training Regina in the first place, but Zelena was a much quicker study. Unfortunately Zelena being (or at least feeling) unloved all her life, falls in love with Rumple in some fashion (they were both abandoned as children and felt unloved and unlovable) and thus loses all value to him since the price of the curse was 'the heart of the thing you love most' so once for Zelena that thing became Rumple... awkward. He rejects Zelena, who informs him that she has magic slippers which could've carried him strait to his son if he'd only asked. Ouch. Now it's too late as an enraged Zelena clicks her heels and leaves.

In Oz Zelena rips down the curtain and confronts the wizard who is only a circus huckster (Walsh) and not really a wizard. She turns him into a monkey and takes over his lair where she watches Rumple training Regina and finally turns all green. We learn she plans on changing the past so that Regina is never born.

In Storybrook Zelena, her cover having been blown by Rumple, confronts Regina in the diner and tells her about the sister thing and challenges her to a witch fight. There was also a funeral held for Baelfire which Rumple being locked up by Zelena was unable to attend and which I found a very hard scene to watch. What was nice in Storybrooke was when Belle was frantic to save Rumple. Ahh memories.

There is also some 'bonding' between Hook and Henry when he tells him about teaching his dad (Bae) to sail. Henry (smart kid) doesn't believe him at first, 'aren't you guys the same age?'. Hook doesn't mention selling Bae to Peter Pan, but I suppose that would've been awkward too.

The witch fight ensues. Zelena wins, but is unable to take Regina's heart because Cora taught Regina not to bring her heart to a witch fight. So I guess Regina wins on that score.

Overall this is a pretty darn good episode despite the stuff we later learn about Zelena's father (come on, we ALL thought it had to be Rumple given' the Miller's Daughter').

QUOTES
Rumplestiltskin: Consider it a test. One you failed.
Zelena: I was just trying to make your decision easier. Show you that I’m all powerful. That I’m the one who’s going to cast your curse.
Rumplestiltskin: I appreciate your efforts, dearie, but I’m afraid you just disqualified yourself.
Zelena: What? Why?
Rumplestiltskin: Because casting the curse has a price. A steep one. You have to give up the thing you love most.
Zelena: I can do that.
Rumplestiltskin: That’s the problem, dearie. The thing you love most is me.
Zelena: You think I love you?
Rumplestiltskin: I’m a perceptive soul.
Zelena: You’re insane.
Rumplestiltskin: Besides the point. Dearie, it’s okay. I know, I have that effect on women. You love me and that, dearie, makes you too dangerous.
Zelena: So, Regina
Rumplestiltskin: has the job. (He notices that Zelena’s green skin color spreads, rising to her cheek.) You might wanna get that checked.
Zelena: (angry) Forget the curse. I’ll find another way to give you what you want.
Rumplestiltskin: Unless you can take me to a land without magic I’m afraid that’s not possible.
Zelena: I can. I could have taken you there.
Rumplestiltskin: How?
Zelena: (showing her slippers to him) These slippers. The Wizard gave them to me and they can take you anywhere you want to go.
Rumplestiltskin: Wizard?
Zelena: (ignoring his last remark) But it’s too late.
Rumplestiltskin: (nervous) Who said it’s too late?
Zelena: You chose her.
Rumplestiltskin: Perhaps it was haste.
Zelena: I’m not naive. There’s only one way you’ll ever get these slippers from me. You’ll have to kill me.
Rumplestiltskin: Well, if I must. (He leaps forward but she quickly disappears in a cloud of green smoke.)
Zelena: (materializing above Rumplestiltskin) You shouldn’t have taught me all your tricks, Rumple. I’ll see you again, dearie. Next time, you will choose me. (She clicks her heels together three times and disappears in a cloud of green smoke.)

Regina: What are you waiting for? Kill me.
Zelena: I never said I wanted to kill you. I said I wanted to destroy you. And to do that I need your heart. (Zelena thrusts her hand into Regina’s chest. After a moment she withdraws empty-handed) Where is it?
Regina: My mother taught me one thing: Never bring your heart to a witch fight. Something you’d know if she hadn’t abandoned you. (Magically, Regina pushes Zelena backwards)
Zelena: (angry) You haven’t won, Regina. I will get your heart. I will get everything you ever had.
Regina: (smiles) Not today.

3.16 It's Not Easy Being Green Deaths - None.
Title: Re: Once Upon a Time Death Count
Post by: Outlast on February 07, 2016, 11:23:40 AM
3.17 - The Jolly Roger
In the enchanted forest (post storybrooke) Hook and crew (minus the Jolly Roger) are now bandits. The crew chips in to buy Hook a hooker (great family show is OUAT) who he pays off to say she had a great time. Later he's assaulted by Ariel who he betrayed earlier as we see later.

In Storybrooke Charming and Emma build a crib or at least try to. Emma asks Regina to teach her magic. Charming volunteers to watch Henry, by Emma begs off admitting that Henry doesn't think there's any fun. To combat this they try to teach him how to drive which ends up in property damage.

Oh and Zelena curses Hooks lips. Yawn.

3.17 The Jolly Roger Deaths
Well Hook does throw Blackbeard overboard, but as I recall Ariel saves him so I guess no deaths.
Title: Re: Once Upon a Time Death Count
Post by: Outlast on February 07, 2016, 09:15:10 PM
3.18 - Bleeding Through
Belle gives Regina a piece of her mind when she finds her searching Gold's shop without asking. Good on yah Belle!

Regina and the heroes summon Cora's spirit; a thing not often attempted as it requires the presence of both the murder weapon and the murderer (Snow's face lol). Cora's ghost jumps into Snow and shares her story which isn't a great story imo and I've already mentioned how having that lowlife be Zelena's dad makes no sense to me (by the way my calling him a lowlife isn't meant to say I'm on Cora's side here. They're both rather lowlifey imo). But I digress and in any case as Zelena offers Rumple a choice between screaming agony and a more... pleasant time in this episode. Said pleasant time involving meat pies and an extremely awkward yet oddly exciting make-out session during which Rumple tries to get his dagger back without success... it's probably best that he didn't turn out to be her father after all.

3.18 Bleeding Through Deaths - NONE
Title: Re: Once Upon a Time Death Count
Post by: Outlast on February 10, 2016, 11:32:01 AM
3.19 - A Curious Thing
In Fairytale land The Charmings plan a party to announce Snow's pregnancy. Belle shows up and tells them about what happened at the dark vault. Aurora and Phillip fess up to betraying the charmings and that Zelena wants their baby; Zelena shows up to turns Phillip and Aurora into monkeys and to feel up Snow's belly.

They decide they need Rumple and plan on breaking into his castle where he's being held hostage by the wicked witch. Robin Hood has done it before so he takes the lead. They find him in a cage mumbling in rhymes and riddles. Belle manages to get through the madness for a short time and Rumple tells her where they can find the good witch of the south.

'...through the door step inside; if pure of heart then she won't... hide.'

Snow and Charming find the door and step through, but Regina's heart isn't pure enough to go through (true that!) though if you ask me some of that season four baby napping stuff should've disqualified the charmings too. Belle would've had to go.

Glenda tells them about Zelena's pendant and true love magic to defeat it. They decide they need Emma so Snow decides to kill charming to cast the curse and get back to Emma... really?????!!!!!!! Anyway she does just that and then she splits her own heart and gives him half. It's sweet in a way, but the whole plan reeks of stupid.

In Storybrooke they finally break the curse we just saw Snow cast by Henry re-believing in magic and Regina kissing him. Bringing our true love's kiss count to five (I believe)...

True love kisses
Charming and Snow - 1.1 The Pilot
Belle and Rumple - 1.12 Skin Deep
Emma and Henry - 1.22 A Land Without Magic
Phillip and Aurora - SEASON TWO
Regina and Henry - 3.19 A Curious Thing

...memories restored Hook is now in trouble because he didn't tell Emma that Zelena cursed his lips.

And in the enchanted forest we see Zelena take a memory potion so that she'll remember what happened when she gets to Storybrooke; she gives Rumple a dose too, but Neal surfaces long enough to send his true love Emma a message through Killian Jones.

Flash back to Storybrooke and Henry laying down a flower on his father's grave as his mother tells him he (Neal) was a hero. Snow (who Charming still calls Mary Margaret for some reason) goes into labor. Cue credits.

3.19 A Curious Thing Deaths
Well technically Snow kills Charming, but since she brings him back I guess it doesn't really count? Or does it?


3.20 - Kansas
In Storybrooke we open with Rumple spinning his brains out for Zelena as Snow is wheeled into the hospital.

The fairytale story is in Oz this time as Zelena meets Glenda the good witch and then Dorothy. Dorothy melts Zelena with water and then Z uses her pendant (I suppose) to re-form herself (a trick that will later prove useful again).

Glenda takes Dorothy to the wizard (Zelena in disguise) who gives her the magic slippers; Dorothy goes back to Kansas.

In Storybrooke Zelena sets up her curse in a barn and reiterates her plan to go back in time and kill Snow's mother so that Cora never gives her up. Rumple says it won't work because one thing won't change and that is who Zelena is.

Zelena confronts Emma in the middle of an argument with Hook and she tells the witch that next time she should curse the lips of someone she might actually kiss (you go Emma!). Zelena then has Rumple try to drown Hook (ah what could've been) so that Emma will have to revive Hook which she does thus setting off Zelena's lip curse and draining Emma of all her power. Whoopsie.

Zelena storms the hospital and Belle confronts her (again season three Belle is AWESOME!), Belle is knocked out again and Rumple catches her and lowers her to the floor.

The Charming baby is born and Zelena immediately takes it to her curse barn.

Zelena: There’s nothing more innocent than a newborn babe. And you, my sweet, are the most innocent of all. The product of the truest love. (places him in a bowl opposite to Charming’s sword hilt. The camera focuses on the structure using a bird’s eye view. The newborn baby points west. To Mr. Gold, who stands in the inner circle of the structure.) See, once I changed the past, you and I shall meet under different circumstances. And, Rumple, you will choose me. And I will be enough.
Mr. Gold: No, you won’t. And no matter, where you go in time, I will find a way to kill you.

Zelena starts up the curse using Gold's brains, Charming Sword, Regina's heart and the new baby. But the 'heroes' arrive to stop her. Regina suddenly finds enough light magic to knock Zelena over, which seems to be all it takes. Regina takes Zelena's necklace rendering her powerless, which Gold quickly takes advantage of dragging Zelena towards him so that he can kill her. Regina stops him because she's an idiot.

Regina: "Heroes don't kill."

Like heck they don't!

... Anyway, Regina talks to a jailed Zelena and gives her a second chance (big mistake). Gold an older wiser and immanently more pissed person turns Zelena into porcelain (in between we see the scene many Rumbelle fans hate where Belle has the dagger from Regina and he switches them, giving Belle a fake in the middle of his marriage proposal!!! Why once writers? Why? This really was the beginning of the crud that they turned my favorite relationship into in season four!!!). But Rumple's act of revenge is actually rather unfortunate since it releases Zelena from jail and her essence? returns to her pendant and we see her timehole spinning to life in the barn. Cue credits.
 
3.20 Kansas Deaths
Rumple kills Zelena, (as does Dorothy in OZ) but it clearly doesn't stick so no dice.
Title: Re: Once Upon a Time Death Count
Post by: Outlast on February 16, 2016, 09:44:34 PM
3.21 - Snow Drifts
Other than Emma wanted to go back to New York (leaving everyone behind but Henry) and the Rumple/Belle dagger stuff (which as you know I hated)... this is a very good 2-parter (yes even with Hook in it).

QUOTES
Emma: Thank you, Mr. Gol-, (stops herself mid-sentence) Rumplestiltskin, for believing us. I know that time travel is hard to swallow.
Rumplestiltskin: Not as hard as the other mystery you’ve presented me. (pointing at Hook) Why haven’t I killed him?
Hook: If it makes you feel any better, it wasn’t for lack of efforts. Let’s just say we bury the hatchet.
Rumplestiltskin: Yes, but why not in your skull? (Belle enters.)
Belle: Oh, Rumplestiltskin. You’re back. Do you, uh, do you need anything?
Emma: (turns around) Belle.
Belle: (to Emma) So, do we know each other?
Emma: Sorry, no. Mr. um- Rumple, the Dark One told me about you.
Belle: Did he?
Rumplestiltskin: No. (making a dismissive gesture) Go away and read a book or whatever it is you like to do. Come back and clean later. (turns away)
Belle: You could ask nicely.
Rumplestiltskin: I could also turn you into a toad.
Emma: (muttering quietly) It’s a miracle you two fall for each other. (Belle exits.)
Rumplestiltskin: (laughing) What? I mean, first you tell me I let the pirate live. Now you’re telling me I fall for the help.

3.21 Snow Drifts Deaths - NONE ...too many butterflies.


3.22 - There's No Place Like Home

See above and add the lovely realization Emma comes to at the end of the episode.

QUOTES
Emma: You think, I don’t know that? Yes, I run away. That’s how I always survived. But, believe me, I want this to work. I wanna go back. I wanna stop running.
Hook: What’s changed your mind?
Emma: Watching my mother die. Thinking she was dead. You saw what happened. I was so relieved when she was okay. And I hugged her. And you know what I saw in her eyes? Nothing. She didn’t know who I was. (Her voice breaks.) I had saved her and lost her, too. And that’s what I’ve been doing to her since I met her. It’s got to stop. When Henry brought me to Storybrooke he told me I was the savior. I didn’t see what he was really doing: He was not bringing me back to break a curse. He was bringing me home. Neal was right.
Hook: About what?
Emma: You don’t have a home until you just miss it. Being with my parents the last few days, but not really being with them? I’ve never missed them more. Storybrooke. That’s my home.


Belle: Rumplestiltskin, this thing we have, it’s never been easy. I’ve - I’ve lost you so many times. I’ve lost you to darkness. To weakness and... And finally, to death. But now I realize - I realize that I have not spent my life losing you. I’ve spent my life finding you.
Mr. Gold: Belle, when we met I wasn’t just unloved and unloving. I was an enemy of love. Love had only brought me pain. My walls were up. But you broke them down.You brought me home.You brought light into my life and chased away all the darkness. And I vow to you I will never forget the distance who I was...(places a ring on Belle’s finger) ... and what I am. I owe more to you than I can ever say. How you can see the man behind the monster, I will never know.
Belle: But the monster is gone and the man beneath him may be flawed, but we all are. And I love you for it. Sometimes the best book has the dustiest jacket. And sometimes the best tea cup is chipped.

3.22 There's No Place Like Home Deaths - NONE

SEASON THREE DEATH TOTALS
Regina 2
Rumple 2
Peter Pan 2
Snow White 1
Zelena 1!

Quite bloodless really. For a TV show that is.
Title: Re: Once Upon a Time Death Count
Post by: Outlast on February 16, 2016, 09:51:09 PM
I'll start on season five as soon as I can LM. Let me know if you want me to pick up season two where you left off or in direst circumstances... season four.
Title: Re: Once Upon a Time Death Count
Post by: Outlast on February 17, 2016, 11:16:34 PM
SEASON FIVE
5.1 The Dark Swan

Not a bad episode at all for one obvious reason DARK CONSCIENCE RUMPLE ROCKS!!!!
 :Woot_Emoticon:
The story goes like this... Emma just became the Dark One and once they realize she's been transported back to the enchanted forest the main cast (the awake ones anyway) run around trying to find a way back there to save Emma.

Henry and Hook free Zelena (who cuts off her own arm to escape the no magic cuff) she opens a portal to Oz, but is then re-cuffed by Regina in a weak moment (okaaay). The team then gathers at granny's dinner and prepares to fly to the old EF using Zelena's open portal, which apparently they can shift over to EF instead of Oz. Belle gets a bell jar (get it?) from the Blue Fairy so that she'll know when the husband she's leaving behind dies, then she (apparently) leaves him to the 'care' of Blue and joins the Camelot crew. They also take the baby. Yes really, they take THE BABY.

Meanwhile in the EF Emma is trying NOT to give into the darkness which is really hard because Rumple looks really good in leather. :) And we meet Merida who is pretty cool and has a neat accent. The Camelot crew arrives just in time to save Emma from going all sparkly by stopping her from squeezing Merida's heart. Then Arthur shows up and says Merlin prophesied that they would reunite them (Arthur and Merlin) and takes them to Camelot....

SIX WEEKS LATER... (did anyone remember to feed Coma Rumple?) They're all back in Storybrooke, but whoopsies they've lost their memories AGAIN (really?).  Belle immediately runs away to check on Rumple ...oh wait that didn't happen except in my head. Sorry. Instead Emma comes in wearing way too much black and accuses her family of having wronged her in some fashion in Camelot and they're all going to punished for what they did to her (after having seen the reasons behind the curse/memory loss... none of this makes sense even as a cover story for Dark Hook!) and then she turns Sneezy into a statue (not dead though since Regina will fix him next week). Fade to black.

QUOTES
Lancelot: (to Arthur after Sir Kay gets turned to ash by Excalibur) "Your turn."

5.1 The Dark Swan DEATHS
Well Sir Kay gets ashed by Excalibur, but I can't really give a point to a sword and The Apprentice dies (I think?) but again there isn't really a person I can point to for that either.

5.2 The Price
We open with the dwarves testing the town line again. Poor mute Dopey gets stuck with the job and soon after crossing the town line he turns into a tree.... You know I wonder if Dopey the tree is outside the town line, wouldn't some road crew show up at some point to take out this big tree that miraculously grew out of the pavement? It's right in the middle of the road for Pete's sake! Poor Dopey. Here's gonna end up in the wood chipper.

Emma again reiterates this fiction (as we now know) of everybody 'doing' something to her in Camelot. Speaking of which we get a scene in this episode where Emma uses magic and her hand starts to go a bit sparkly (ala golden Rumple), but she's still not dark enough to go full Rumple and yet in Storybrooke she's constantly uses dark magic and if as this episode reiterates 'all magic comes with a price', what is that price? Emma never goes full dark one so all this dark angst just doesn't jive very well imo. I know Emma is the main hero in Storybrooke and the show may not have wanted her to run around killing people, but as a dark one Emma was kind of disappointing.

Anyway a fury steals Robin Hood and they learn that his soul must be the price of some magic Regina used in Camelot. The fury drops Robin by the pond and summons Charon, but before it can finish sucking out Robin's soul, Regina interferes and offers her own life in return. The fury seems perfectly happy with that and begins sucking out Regina, but Snow, Charming and Grumpy grab Regina's hands and that somehow repels the fury who never returns? Ok then.

Regina yells at (a sleeping) Rumple and blames him for everything. (Blaming others IS kind of Regina's thing).

In Camelot
Regina claims to be the savior and takes some joy in controlling Emma using the dark dagger, but not nearly as much as she takes from muting Zelena.

Charming teaches Regina to dance (really the uber ambitious Cora didn't teach her daughter how to dance at a royal ball? ok then.) which is cute and later at the dance when Percival confronts the woman who murdered his whole world and tries to kill Regina (would Charming hesitate to try to kill someone who murdered his whole family? I think not)... Charming runs him through without a second thought or any noticeable regret; which I hated, because I like Charming and don't want him to be vicious or a moron.  Anyway moving right along from the further blackening of our heroes... Robin Hood is injured (presumably fatally) and Regina begs Emma to heal him, which she does despite head-Rumple's warning that a price must be paid by Regina (who knew the deals weren't just a cute quirk of Rumple's but a Dark One magic coop kind of thing?).

5.2 The Price Deaths
Charming murders Percival
We get a mention of Regina burning/killing Percival's entire village. I'm not sure if that is a different village from the one she burns down in season 2 (I think), but for Percival's sake I'll count it against her.

SEASON FIVE DEATH COUNT (so far)
Regina 100
Charming 1
Title: Re: Once Upon a Time Death Count
Post by: Outlast on February 18, 2016, 10:02:50 PM
5.3 Siege Perilous

In Camelot
Charming and Arthur bond over being born peasants and go questing.

Snow finds out that Lancelot isn't dead. And Arthur gives Charming the vacant seat at his round table (Lancelot's seat, not Percival's, cause that would be all kinds of wrong) and gives him a flowery coat of arms.

In Storybrook
Hook admits to Emma that he was the villain in Rumplestiltskin's story before Rumple became the villain in his.

And Arthur uses his squire Griff and then forces him to drink poison. Nice character they wrote for the Once and Future King.

Belle is gloomily collecting a sandwich from Granny clutching her wilting rose when the rose suddenly springs back into life and she promptly drops the plate with a smash and runs happily back to Rumple... who is no longer there. Emma took him and plans on using his new pure heart to help her extract Excalibur. I was just happy that Belle cared so much.

QUOTES
Regina: Enough. Now... let's have a little chat about you trying to escape back to Oz.
Zelena... you know you can't take that child away from Robin.
Zelena: Can you blame me? You're going to take it from me. This child could be my only chance for someone to truly love me, and... you got a second chance. Why can't I?
Regina: Oh, I'm sorry. But you've had a second chance and a second second chance. You can't keep painting yourself as a victim. It's absurd.
 Zelena: You can tell me that life is fair all you want. All I can tell you is that from in here, I'm still seeing one sister with all the toys... (whoosh as Regina takes Zelena's voice away again)
Regina: Be quiet and listen for once in your life.
Zelena: (Stomps foot)
Regina: You forgot who I am. The Evil Queen. I can be a far greater nightmare than you can possibly imagine. But now... my gift to you is a promise. I will make sure your baby is fine and loved and safe. Just as I promise... The same will certainly not hold for you.

Hook: Are you really suggesting that we move forward in a real relationship?
Emma: Gold and Belle loved each other.
Hook: I don't think you should use the Crocodile as your example.
Emma: But think about it. He was born a coward. He didn't find true love until he was the Dark One. You told me how the man he was groveled and cried on the deck of this ship. He changed for the better, too.
Hook: You're wrong. I was the villain in that little drama, Swan. He was a good man trying to keep his family together. I took this cutlass and put it to his head and taunted him.


Emma: All I need is your trust. I promise.
Hook: I liked you the way you were. I liked your walls. I liked being the one to break them down.
Emma: The person you found inside is still me. I have a question for you for once. Do you love me? If you tell me you don't love me, I will let you go.
Hook: I loved you.

5.3 Siege Perilous DEATHS
Arthur kills his squire.

SEASON FIVE DEATH COUNT (so far)
Regina 100
Arthur 1
Charming 1


5.4 The Broken Kingdom
In Camelot
I should note that Regina continues to use dark? (it's still purple) magic all the time. Is she a goody goody yet? I don't think so.

The story is the backstory of Arthur, Gwen and Camelot and the wondrous love story of how he restored the kingdom (and his wife's affections) by throwing sand (of Avalon) at his problems. Ah the romance. Also there is a lot of coming and going in through the dark vault, which really needs a better security system and we learn from Lance and Gwen's adventure that that dark ribbon stuff can be repelled by a small flame. Gee too bad Emma didn't try that instead of stabbing it with the dagger, it might've saved her from a bad hairdo.

QUOTES
Emma: ( Slowly approaches the horse and reaches out, but the horse snorts and tries to move away from her, and she snatches her hand back )
Rumplestiltskin (in Emma's head): ( Laughs ) Well, I guess the pony's smarter than the pirate. She knows what you are, dearie.


Title: Re: Once Upon a Time Death Count
Post by: Outlast on February 22, 2016, 02:32:24 PM
5.5 Dreamcatcher
In Camelot - Emma rips out Violet's heart and uses it to break Henry's which frees Merlin from his tree-prison.
In Storybooke Merida 'trains' Rumple to be (wait for it) BRAVE. And Regina and company find out that Emma is hiding Excalibur in her basement and has a stash of dark magic infused dreamcatchers.

Deaths - none.

QUOTE
Emma: You're gonna need your strength if you're going to remove the sword.
Mr. Gold: ( Breathing heavily ) I, uh, I won't be able to do that. You should really just let me go. Please. I-I need to see Belle. Emma: You're not going anywhere until you get me my sword.
 Mr. Gold: Well, you have so much power. W-w-why do you need Excalibur?
Emma: Tell me, when you were the Dark One, did you advertise your plans?
Mr. Gold: My plans were always hidden. But my reasons were not. Every time I used magic, I told myself it was all for my son... to protect him.
Emma: How noble.
Mr. Gold: Despite my best intentions... I still lost him.
Emma: I'm stronger than you were.
Mr. Gold: Well, that... that really doesn't matter. The more you justify what you're doing, the more you push them away. And take it from me... you will always lose the ones you love the most.

5.6 The Bear and the Bow
I like this episode, I do. It's Rumple and Belle centered and I appreciate that no end, but enough with the angst! I've just rewatched all of season one and season three and Rumple and Belle had a great relationship throughout the show that falls apart in season four for what I can only assume are plot reasons because they never fit the story/characters for me.

Also perhaps this show and TV in general should rethink the tried and true head bashing trope. Merida bashes Belle on the head in this episode to get her into her boat without resistance and in the last episode Merida did the same thing to Rumple. Have these people never heard of rope or duct tape or CONCUSSION?

Deaths - None

QUOTES
Belle: Wait. What happens if he can't pull it from the stone?
Emma: Then you will be sweeping his remains from the floor. You were his maid once.
Mr. Gold: Belle... Just in case this doesn't work, I want you to know that I am sorry for everything. If I had to do it all again, I would make sure I was the man you deserved right from the very start... And I would change everything for you.
Belle: It's never too late.
 (Mr. Gold removes Excalibur from the stone.)
Mr. Gold: Well, well. A deal's a deal.
(Emma takes Excalibur.)
Mr. Gold: Now, you may have Excalibur, but you've made one mistake in all of this... One terrible mistake... You've turned me into a hero.
Emma: There are heroes all over this town, and none of them have been able to stop me yet.
Mr. Gold: Well, that's because none of them... Are me.

5.7 Nimue
Ah the episode that screwed up the timeline.

We open '1000 years before the age of Arthur' (which is basically 1000 years ago +10-30 years depending on when exactly Arthur's age begins parallel to our story.  Merlin and his unnamed buddy, (both with rope tied around their wrists to indicate that they've just escaped from something) come across the Holy Grail in a desert and since they're dying of thirst they're pretty grateful to 'the gods' (rather a poor choice of words in a Grail story imo). Merlin's buddy drinks first and turns to ash; Merlin than drinks in a more respectable manner (I guess, since he isn't ashed) and becomes super powerful in magic and immortal to boot. He touches the ground and grass grows across the desert (does this mean England used to be a desert in Once?).

500 Years Before the Time of Arthur
Merlin and his apprentice (who is about 10 years old here) heal people and generally do good. And then he meets Nimue whose village has been burned down, not by Cora or Regina, but by a masked villain named Vortegan (sp?) Merlin notes that he can't 'read' Nimue (he seems to have a second sight/seer ability similar to Rumple's where he sees the future but it's a bit wobbly, especially when it touches his own life) and he must be a mystery lover because he promptly falls in love with her. He tells her about the grail and tells her he wants marriage and mortality and she's all ...not me, I want immortality and power. Rut roh.

Anyway, he takes her to the promethean flame and uses it to turn the grail into Excalibur and while he's not looking Numue drinks from the grail. ...What makes Nimue worthy exactly? The Grail killed Merlin's friend, but allowed Merlin to drink which makes you think Merlin must be a good guy (which he really seems to be), but Nimue? Why did the Grail allow her to drink?

Anyway Vortegan shows up and demands the sword, and stabs Nimue who pretends to die to 'teach Merlin what death feels like' (as she says later), Merlin cries and then Nimue comes back to life and kills Vortegan by snatching and crushing his heart, which in turn turns her goldish-green. She breaks Excalibur so that Merlin can't use it to cut the magic away ...from anyone. Later Merlin stashes the broken sword in the stone and forges the dark dagger from the broken tip to control Nimue (who later takes it from him and turns him into a tree).

In Camelot One Year Ago*
Emma makes dreamcatchers the way Rumple used to spin gold. Hey every dark one needs a hobby.
Arthur doesn't trust our people any more so he brews a melty potion that never comes up again.
Zelena offers to help and while Snow is guarding her alone she kicks her in the gut and escapes, going straight to Arthur who removes her no-magic cuff and plunges our heroes into the deep end as he is then able to tether Merlin to the broken sword making him Arthur's (well whoever happens to be holding the sword) slave.

In Storybrooke
The Darkness (Nimue flanked by all dark ones + Rumple - I didn't actually count but it seems like a dozen or so and all in only 300 years? See why I think they screwed up the timeline?) tells Emma that it's proud of her as she re-forges Excalibur.

Questions
Why does Merlin (in his 'voice mail') say that only Nimue can defeat the darkness? How does finding Nimue help matters? This has yet to be addressed and I don't sense that it will be addressed in 5b.

*Ok so the show is now telling us that the entire history of The Dark Ones only goes back 500 years to Nimue?! What a pitiful curtailing of the dark mythos to make the long list of darkness stretching back into the mists of time... only 500 years old. 200 or so of which are spent in Rumple.  Also Merlin says something to effect that dark magic was created at this moment... so dark magic itself only goes back 500 years then? Was all magic light magic until Nimue?

Merlin says (full quote below)
Emma: Is it possible for someone to have the darkness, but use it for good, use it to protect people?
Merlin: Emma, don't let those thoughts tempt you.
Emma: But is it true?
Merlin: Someday perhaps there will be a person who's worthy to hold that much power and not let it burn through to darken their soul. But if we can wipe out the darkness, we'll never have to ask that much of anyone.

Could it be possible that this is referring to Rumple? Will he with his white heart be able to contain all the darkness without succumbing to it again? Food for thought anyway.

QUOTES
Zelena: Without magic I'm a delicate thing.

Hook: Don't touch it. It could have protection charms.
Regina: Tell your timbers to stop shivering, pirate. Nothing in here can hurt us. Arthur doesn't know how to do magic.

Emma: I'm not nothing! I was never nothing! The power you have I don't need! Now I am going to take that ember from you, and you are going to let me.

Emma: Is it possible for someone to have the darkness, but use it for good, use it to protect people?
Merlin: Emma, don't let those thoughts tempt you.
Emma: But is it true?
Merlin: Someday perhaps there will be a person who's worthy to hold that much power and not let it burn through to darken their soul. But if we can wipe out the darkness, we'll never have to ask that much of anyone.
Emma: Sounds like we need to find the other half of Excalibur.

Deaths
Nimue kills Vortegan

SEASON FIVE DEATH COUNT (so far)
Regina 100
Arthur 1
Charming 1
Nimue 1
Title: Re: Once Upon a Time Death Count
Post by: Outlast on February 23, 2016, 09:32:14 PM
5.8 Birth
Ok

In Camelot
Arthur, now in league with Zelena, and with Merlin under sword control ties all of Emma's family to trees and threatens to kill them all if Emma doesn't hand over the dagger and the promethean flame. Emma refuses and Arthur orders Merlin to kill Emma's mother. But Emma tricks Zelena into opening a box which then leaves her tied to a tree of her own and while that's happening Hook manages to wriggle loose and knock over Arthur.  In the process Hook gets nicked by Excalibur and once Emma realizes what's happened she turns Hook into a dark one to save his life (over the reasonable objections of her family and of Hook himself) and the sword now reads Killian Jones (space) Emma Swan.

In Storybrooke
The Heroes confront Arthur over some previous mushroom drama. He escapes, besting Hook in the process, but Emma swoops in to save him.
Hook goes to Rumple (of all people) for advice (shout out to crossbow wielding Belle!) which somehow ends with Hook jumping off a roof to attract Emma's attention. Then she kidnaps him for his own good, locking him up with Zelena which seems like a foolproof plan if I ever heard one. I should note that Zelena has just given birth after eating some of Emma's special order onion rings and is about to be murdered to save Hook in some nebulous dark one plan. ...anyway, Hook frees Zelena with his 'enchanted' hook (how many times have they used that anyway?), but doesn't escape because he wants to talk to Emma. He freezes Emma with squid ink and then Zelena comes back in to reveal the dark truth. End scene.

QUOTES
King Arthur: Look at that. Seems you brought a hook to a sword fight.
Hook: Actually, I brought a sword, but I seem to have misplaced it.

Zelena: Let's just say when the Dark One offers you onion rings... Aah!... Don't eat them!

Hook: You see this? Belonged to a man named Barnaby. Called me "One Hand Jones." I killed him in front of his wife, took his ring. This one, Edgar. Fine sailor. I caught him drinking the captain's wine. I drowned him. Every ring is a sad story.

Hook: ( Coughs, groans ) ( Sighs ) ( Breathing heavily ) Zelena. Why are you here?
Zelena: Your insane girlfriend sped up my pregnancy, kidnapped me right after giving birth, and separated me from my little girl. And they say I'm wicked.

DEATHS
Hook admits to murdering two men, Barnaby and Edgar by name (I believe) and taking their rings. Good enough for me.

SEASON FIVE DEATH COUNT (so far)
Regina 100
Hook 2
Arthur 1
Charming 1
Nimue 1

5.9 The Bear King
I admit I fast forwarded through a lot of this.

DEATHS
Arthur stabs (skewers really) King Fergus in the back. The battle scene was very chaotic, but I didn't see anything else that I could call a point here.

SEASON FIVE DEATH COUNT (so far)
Regina 100
Arthur 2
Hook 2
Charming 1
Nimue 1
Title: Re: Once Upon a Time Death Count
Post by: Outlast on February 24, 2016, 06:31:33 PM
5.10 Broken Heart
I'll skip all the Rumbelle heart-break for the sake of my sanity.

In Camelot
Hook oozes out of the dark vault and sees his own personal head Rumple (amusing) who says now he can do what he's always wanted to do and kill me (Rumple). So Hook kills Merlin to enact the dark curse through Nimue's love? for him. Emma knocks everyone out and takes their memories adding a dream catcher to the curse.

In Storybrooke
Newly aware dark one Hook challenges Rumple to a duel on his ship. Rumple agrees. Before the duel Hook heals Rumple's leg to make it a fair(er) fight. Rumple sort of wins this, getting Excalibur from Hook, but refusing to kill him. Hook leaves and reveals that all he really wanted was a drop of Rumple's formerly dead blood so that he could call in Charon the ferryman and bring back all the former dark ones.

QUOTES
Hook: What the devil am I wearing? Why must Dark Ones dress like monks?
Darkness: Yes, much better. I went leather as well.


Darkness: Careful, dearie. That's the oldest heart in all the realms. Let's cut it open and count the rings.


Hook: Well, I have to hand it to you, Crocodile. You lasted a lot longer than I expected. If you'd fought me with such vigor back in the day, I might have given you your wife back. Soiled, but returned.

DEATHS
Hook kills Merlin

SEASON FIVE DEATH COUNT (so far)
Regina 100
Hook 3
Arthur 2
Charming 1
Nimue 1


5.11 Swan Song

Distant Past Enchanted Foresty Time
Hook and his brother Liam are sold into slavery by their father.

Less Distant Enchanted Forest Time
Hook kills his own, miraculously still alive due to sleeping curse, father to prove his worth to Regina (who is about to kill her own father too at this point). Thus leaving his much much much younger brother Liam the 2nd an orphan, who may or may not have grown up to be important to us at a later date.

In Storybrooke
The dark ones Hook called in have all marked one of Emma's family/friends; Snow, Charming, HENRY (marked by Nimue herself), Regina, Robin, Rumple and all six remaining non-deciduous dwarves... for hell. So they'll be trading their heart/bodies/souls to allow all those dark ones to remain in the land of the living.
Regina sends Zelena to Oz.
Emma decides to channel all the dark into herself so that she can kill herself upon Excalibur and destroy the darkness. Eventually Hook decides to man up and do that bit himself, perhaps suddenly realizing that sending a dozen or so of your girlfriends family to hell is no way to gain favor. He channels the darkness and Emma kills him destroying the darkness forever! ...oh wait, nope instead the darkness has just moved back into its old home in Rumple. Great. Emma now decides to drag her entire family (those that can walk) down to hell anyway to 'save' Hook ...wasn't that just what he kind of died to prevent? She thinks she can split her heart the way her folks did, but since the rest of Hook is in the morgue and even if she could preserve it, there's  still the issue of his unhealable wound from Excalibur.... I think it's a bad plan.

DEATHS
Hook kills his father

SEASON FIVE DEATH COUNT (5a only)
Regina 100
Hook 4
Arthur 2
Charming 1
Nimue 1
Title: Re: Once Upon a Time Death Count
Post by: LindaM on March 07, 2016, 09:59:57 AM
 I promise to get back to mine.  This week should be easier and maybe I'll stop falling asleep on the couch. My answers below.

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Why does Merlin (in his 'voice mail') say that only Nimue can defeat the darkness? How does finding Nimue help matters? This has yet to be addressed and I don't sense that it will be addressed in 5b.

I think at that point of the story they were going with the old myth that Merlin would only awake when England needed him.  After that was said, I think the show went into a different direction. Can it still be addressed?  Of course, this is Once!

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*Ok so the show is now telling us that the entire history of The Dark Ones only goes back 500 years to Nimue?! What a pitiful curtailing of the dark mythos to make the long list of darkness stretching back into the mists of time... only 500 years old. 200 or so of which are spent in Rumple.  Also Merlin says something to effect that dark magic was created at this moment... so dark magic itself only goes back 500 years then? Was all magic light magic until Nimue?

I think we have to accept that 500 years in our times is different in the fairy tale lands.  Same thing with Christianity and God. My minister from my youth said never deny "Darwanism" because we don't know how long a day is with God. God could have made a day a million years or 24 hours so the dinosaurs cannot be discredited or discounted as fake.  I think we need to accept that some Dark Ones lived for thousands of years.  What I would accept is that Rumple held the darkness for 500 years.

[quote}Merlin says (full quote below)
Emma: Is it possible for someone to have the darkness, but use it for good, use it to protect people?
Merlin: Emma, don't let those thoughts tempt you.
Emma: But is it true?
Merlin: Someday perhaps there will be a person who's worthy to hold that much power and not let it burn through to darken their soul. But if we can wipe out the darkness, we'll never have to ask that much of anyone.

Could it be possible that this is referring to Rumple? Will he with his white heart be able to contain all the darkness without succumbing to it again? Food for thought anyway.[/quote]

I'm beginning to think that since Rumple had been the Dark One/lost the Dark One/been a hero that he might have the power to ultimately defeat the darkness.  As I've said so often (and tweeted to Adam Horowitz last night), let me suggest the final ending of the show.  The one way around this would be to do "The Last Battle" only make Susan good and still following.  Regina would be the character but in their version was bad now good and accepting.

David -- Peter
Emma -- Lucy
Susan -- Regina
Edmund -- Possibly Hook or someone to be named later
Digory -- Henry
Polly -- Snow
Eustace --  Robin???
Jill -- Belle
White Witch -- Zelena
The supreme being -- ultimate sacrifice/redeemer -- Rumple  -- Is that going too far.
Title: Re: Once Upon a Time Death Count
Post by: Outlast on March 07, 2016, 04:01:06 PM
I'm not completely sold on the last battle simply because I think OUAT would royally screw it up. It's been awhile since I read The Last Battle but I looked it up on wiki http://narnia.wikia.com/wiki/The_Last_Battle to brush up.
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Then Peter and Edmund explain that they had been standing on the railway platform when the train came around the bend a bit too fast. There was a loud roar and something had hit them hard but it didn't hurt and they found themselves in Narnia. Old aches had disappeared. Digory tells about being on the train with Polly and not feeling old and stiff any more. Peter says that they just stood there until the door opened. Tirian turned and saw a door just standing in the middle of a field. He looks through a crack in the door to see the glow of the fire, stars, and sky. The inside of the stable is bigger than the outside. Lucy tells how in our world once a stable held something that was bigger than the stable.
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Aslan walks to the door leading to "nowhere" and shouts thrice with a great voice, "TIME!"

Aslan wakes Father Time, who rises into the sky like a giant among giants. Father Time raises a great horn to his mouth and sounds the call. The sky immediately fills with shooting stars and a great starless patch forms as the stars fall to the ground around them. The stars in Narnia are people and they land, falling behind Aslan and the humans. Their light shines into the darkness, enabling the onlookers to see all of what was happening. As the children watch, all the vegetations are eaten by the lizards, dragons, and salamanders. (Jill and Eustace had previously seen them sleeping in The Silver Chair and were told they would awaken at the end of the world, which is now.) Then all the people and animals (including those who had previously died) gather outside the door, either to join Aslan or not join him (talking beasts became ordinary animals if they do not join). The ones who do not join fade into Aslan's shadow, never to be seen again, to fate unknown even to C.S. Lewis (but it may be Tash's realm). Then the great dragons, salamanders and giant lizards grow old, die and rot into skeleton structures. Then the whole world (presumably as far as Bism) is consumed by a great flood from the Utter East, to the Utter West. Then the mountains in every location, crumble and fall into the new body of water. The water then reaches and hits the stable door, but does not pass. The sun rises, and it has become a dying red giant like the sun in the World of Charn. The moon rises and is consumed by the sun. Aslan orders Father Time to crush the sun like an orange, and almost immediately, the great body of water starts to become solid ice. Peter closes the freezing door and locks it, thus bringing an end to the World of Narnia.

However, Aslan leads them away from their dead world and into his own country. As Aslan leads the humans into the Garden within the Western Wild of the true Narnia, he explains to them the jolt they felt upon entering Narnia. He tells them that there was a railway accident and that they died in the accident. Susan Pevensie, however, did not die because she did not go on the train with the others. Her final fate remains a mystery.
Funny I always remembered that as Susan dying and not coming with them to Aslan's Country, but apparently if this wiki is right she survived in our world (which hadn't yet reached it's end), so hopefully she came back to Aslan in the end. I'd like to think so.

Anyway I just don't think Once will do it any justice, especially to the deeper religious themes. But in my head I can sort of see it... everyone dying in Storybrooke (one of the curses finally does in the whole town) and appearing in the enchanted forest where they have one last battle against the dark forces/villains. Everyone picks a side and in the end those who choose darkness are swallowed up by it and those who choose light go on to a better place. And I do think someone will have to get left behind or be chewed up by the darkness. We all hate that Susan didn't make it into Aslan's country, but C. S. Lewis was trying to make a point to his readers about the fatality of non-belief. Susan got too old/smart to believe in something as silly as Narnia and the same thing can be said about a lot of us and God.

They could also go full Lost and have them all meet up in the enchanted forest for the final battle after having died separately (ala Lost season six). Henry could tell Emma all about her great-grandchildren. Rumple will meet Bae again... all of which would of course directly contradict season five of Once, where everyone apparently goes to the underworld when they die and from there on to the good or bad place while those they left behind go on living until it's their time to go to the underworld and so on. In the Lost version everybody just sort of hangs around in purgatory (or whatever you want to call that 'sideways' place) until all their friends die (one assumes they waited a loooong time for Hurley and Ben) and then and only then do they move on.

Hopefully that didn't come off as babbling.  :043:  Anyway... I am willing to do 4b for you if you want me too. I'm even willing to stomach 4a as long as I don't have to watch the 4a finale again. Just let me know what you'd like me to do, LM.  :88:
Title: Re: Once Upon a Time Death Count
Post by: LindaM on March 08, 2016, 12:52:29 PM
NO -- I can but you can watch 2 B if you want -- just kidding.  I think it's because I got swamped at work because we've been trying to figure out some work situations (whether they're changing or not).  As of now, I'm keeping them for another year at least which is taking some of the stress off of me.  I think the problem is I hit Tallahassee and don't want to forget how good that episode was.
Title: Re: Once Upon a Time Death Count
Post by: LindaM on March 09, 2016, 08:15:37 AM
Season 2, Episode 6  -- Tallahassee

We finally get the story on who the dude was in episode one of season 2.  It's Neil (or Neal) otherwise known as Baelfire.  Of course, we don't find this out til the end.  This is an Emma-centric episode and also features the Beanstalk.  After the Doctor it was welcomed and one of the best episodes of season 2.

In Enchanted Forest, we find out that Emma and company must go to the land of the giants to get the compass which means going up the beanstalk.  Problem:  No more beans. If they don't use it, they're sunk because the beans were destroyed by the giants who are considered evil.  The giants use the beans to come down to the land and plunder but Hook can counter the spell. To make matters worse, Emma and Snow (as she's called here) can't get home without the compass. 

As they start up the last remaining bean stalk, Mulan gives Emma a powder made of a poppy that will put Hook to sleep (they still don't trust him).  Emma tells her to cut the beanstalk down in 10 hours if she's not back.  And up the beanstalk they go. And as the climb, Hook tries out various lines on Emma.  Two key notes on this:  Hook understands Emma better than she knows and he gets she's an orphan. To him, she's an open book.

Mulan is downstairs and the time keeper.  She marks off a sundial so she knows when to cut the bean stalk. Aurora and Snow discuss the sleeping curse. Snow knows what Aurora is going through and feels and will watch while Aurora sleeps. 

Hook and Emma is at the top.  Here is a battle field. Emma hides a cut because Giants can smell blood.  Hook moves ahead and they sneak into the cave where the giant sleeps.  Hook slips up and talks about Rumple but not much revealed.  Hook wants Emma to lure the giant.  When the giant lunges, Emma throws the powder given to her by Mulan and he collapses asleep. 

Aurora has a nightmare and Snow awakes her. The dream is about a fiery room and someone in the shadows.  Meanwhile, Emma is having trouble with Hook as he is attracted to all the treasure and she only wants the compass.  As giant wakes and attacks again, he stops when he gets to Emma.  Emma tells the giant about the compass and family. She hits him, grabs sword, hits the floor, and the roof falls. No, wait!  The gian is caught in a cage.  Emma needs the compass and the giant begs for death because he's the last one left. He tells her Hook lied and he (the giant) is not a bad guy.  She gets him free and he tells her to leave.  Hook needs help getting out.  Emma needs the compass.  In the end, Emma gets the compass and chains Hook up in the giant's castle because she can't take a chance on him.  Hook won't die and Emma gets a head start.

Down below, Mulan knows the time has passed and starts to chop the stalk down. Snow tries to stop her and Emma appears before the tree falls.  They now will get the dust from Cora.


11 years earlier in the American West

Emma is shown stealing a yellow Volkswagon but she gets more than a car. Neil is in the back street and it a petty thief also. When they hare pulled by cops, Emma learns his history as he weaves a story that the cops believe.  He tells them that he and Emma are boyfriend/girlfriend and the cop lets them off with a warning. 

Emma and Neil become a team.  She plays like she's pregnant and the rob convenience store for food.  When Neil gets caught, Emma fakes labor.  That bump is where they stash their food. Emma has found a dream catcher and places it where they're staying.  Neil proposes (sort of) and they discuss settling down.  He mentions Neverland. They decide to move and settle and get a map. The place chosen is Tallahassee. 

In Phoenix, there is a wanted poster for Neil regarding a jewelry robbery.  This means Tallahassee is out and they must go to Canada -- he alone.  Emma volunteers to go for the watches.  Emma goes to the locker, gets the back, and walks out.  Neil gives her a watch.  They're to meet back at 9 sharp.

As Neil leaves, he is followed by a strange man (we know as August) and Neil makes that he's being followed. He tries to get away but August stops him. August gets Neil to come with him because he has a long story to tell.  The story is about Emma and he's her guardian angel.  August has been looking for Emma for two years and he knows he's not perfect but Neil has to leave her so Emma can fulfill her destiny.  He opens the trunk to reveal...and we don't see but later know that it's a typewriter with "I know who you are."  August reveals there is a curse that needs to be broken and Emma is the key.  August task was to keep her safe and Neil must leave her.  Neil needs to make the decision and do the right thing. 

Emma waits for Neil but he doesn't show.  Instead, she's found  by the cops who arrest her and she ends up in jail over stolen property. Later in Vancouver, August and Neil talk again. Neil has tried to lose himself but it's hard.  He can move on and be okay.  August tells Neil that Emma got 11 months in minimum security prison.  Neil gives August the car and some money for Emma.  August will be sure she gets it.  We see her later in jail, pregnant and alone and about to give birth.  She gets mail which is the car keys for when she gets out. 

In present:  Henry has a nightmare which is the same as Aurora.

Death count:  None although the giant asked to die. 

Best quotes:

Hook to Emma:  "Most men take you not talking as off putting ... afraid to reveal yourself."

Hook (regarding Lost Boys and Neverland comparing to Emma):  "Same Look in their eyes.  An orphan is an orphan."

Hook to Emma:  "You would make a hell of a pirate."

Hook to Emma:  "I don't mean to upset you, Emma, but we make quite an item."

August to Neil:  "I'm not perfect.  This world is full of temptations." 
August to Neil:  (regarding Emma):  "She has a destiny."
Title: Re: Once Upon a Time Death Count
Post by: LindaM on March 09, 2016, 08:46:31 AM
Season 2, Episode 7 -- Child of the Moon

Another back story which is about Red which may be why I disliked this episode.  The story is good but I hate werewolves. 

In Storybooke, they're mining for fairy dust. While the rest leave, Grumpy stays behind working but there is a slight cave in.  David goes into the tunnel and finds the fairy dust.  The dust needs to be ground out of the mine and made into a power to get Emma and Snow home.  Meanwhile there will be a celebration at Granny's.  As the party/night progresses, Belle and Red decide to have a girl's night.  Meanwhile, George shows up and he's not liking how his son (David) runs the town.  He's going to reveal David for who he is.  Red is going into a cage at Granny's.  Tonight is the first full moon since the curse is broken.

Meanwhile, Henry is dreaming of the fire room and sees Aurora.  Regina wakes Henry and he tells her a little about the dream. Regina takes Henry to see Gold about the burn.  He knows it is the sleeping curse.  During the curse, the soul's in the netherworld until they awake. There's no way to stop Henry from going back but there is an amulet that will help him control it.  The amulet must be worn while he sleep. Regina asks how much it costs.  Gold tells her she could afford it but he gives it to Henry and places it on him.

David and Granny are trailing Red (Ruby) who broke out of the cage.  When they find her, she can't remember anything.  David's cell phone rings, and a car has been found at the cannery.  Billy is dead.  Red thinks she did it and asks to be locked up as others show up.

Let's cut to the chase here.  George actually killed Henry to make it look like Red did it and that David wasn't doing his job.  George uses this to get the townspeople to turn on David.  George will protect the town.  George leads the townspeople to break into jail and grab Red but she's gone because Belle's protecting her.  Granny and David work to prove her innocent.  Red decides if they want a wolf, they'll get a wolf. She chains Belle in the library and turns.

At the clock tower, mob gathers with George (Spencer) leading. Approaches where Red is but Granny and David stops them and announces that George did it.  David turns and pleads with Ruby to control her wolfishness.  When he reaches out, she recognizes him and sits down. He places her cape on her and she returns to normal. George runs with David and Ruby going after him. When George tries to deal, he regeneads but loses anyway. After the drama, Ruby/Red runs to celebrate her wolfishness. 

Aurora dreams again and sees Henry who tells her not to be scared.  She calls for Snow and tells her about Henry.
Enchanted Forest  (Past)

Snow and Ruby run. Snow finds the wanted poster and shows it to Ruby.  Everything has changed. Red's worried about changes and Snow tries to stay but Ruby sends her away. 

At a stream, Red meets a man who knows that she is a "Child of the Moon."  He's one too.  He knows a way to control it an takes her to an underground cave whether others live. Anita, the leader, has been expecting her. Anita is her mother. 

Snow finds Red and the others don't like it.  Red tells Snow not to be afraid.  Regina has followed Snow and attached the wolves.  Quinn dies and Anita decides to kill Snow but Ruby is given the task.  She can't do it and Anita says she will.  Ruby turns to a wolf and stops Anita. Snow throws the cape on Red who turns back to herself and mourns her mother's death. 


Death:  George:  1 -- Billy (George tries to blame Red)
Regina's guard:  One wolf (that we saw) Quinn

Quote:  Only a few:

Red:  "I chose me.  I'm not a killer."

Red:  "I didn't lose my family today.  I protected it."
Title: Re: Once Upon a Time Death Count
Post by: LindaM on March 09, 2016, 08:47:35 AM
I'll get 8 and 9 of season two up later.  Started 2b last night and got depressed so I'll go back to it tonight.
Title: Re: Once Upon a Time Death Count
Post by: LindaM on March 09, 2016, 10:10:28 AM
Season 2, Episode 8 -- Into the Deep

Just what you don't want -- a Hook episode, right!

Enchanted Forest Now

Hook arrives back on terra forma to be met by Cora who asks for the compass.  When she finds out that Emma has it, well, she's ain't happy.  Cora has crossed two worlds to get to her daughter.  Hooks thinks Cora will kill him but she's not. She's going to leave him behind when she moves on to be with her daughter.  Hook continues to try to convince her to take him with her but she leaves him and retreats to her private lair where she awakens a troop of zombies to attack the crew and get that compass (or Aurora as it turns out). 

Aurora is dreaming of Henry in the sleeping curse again. Snow sees this as a way home.  Rumple can stop Cora and they need to know how. Aurora needs to tell Henry to ask Rumple. Meanwhile Henry has awoken and and told Regina/Charming that Emma and Snow is alive and only Gold can defeat them.  Cora stands in the way.

The group looks for a safe place for Aurora to try and contact Henry again.  Aurora has been burnt from the flames.  Mulan tells her she can't do it again but Aurora refuses to listen.

I'm putting this here because I'm not typing twoice. Aurora and Henry meets in the room but Henry doesn't get the whole message to Aurora because she disappears.  The zombie horde is attacking and as they fight off (about 10 of them), they grab Aurora and run.  They deliver Aurora to Cora who puts her in a cell and when Cora arrives with food, Aurora learns she wasn't the target but the pawn. She'll be offered in trade for the compass. When Aurora asks why they would help her, Cora explains what makes the Charmings what they are -- the protection of the innocent. Aurora is knocked unconscious

Cora's lair isn't as secret as she thought. Hook has shown up and awakens Aurora and sends her on her way. He tells her that Emma must provide him passage and he'll bring the dust. This doesn't endear him to Cora later who is very upset the hostage is gone. Just when we think no more Hook he pulls a surprise. Facing death, he offers Cora a present, Aurora's heart. Holding Aurora's heart in her hands, she gives Aurora the words to speak and a command.  They plan to go to Storybrooke together.

Mulan has wanted to give the compass to Cora for Aurora, but Snow has another plan.  She has trained her mind not to go to the fire room, but with the help of something she can. Mulan knows of a poppy that will send her into this sleep. They travel to the Woods of the Dead to get the poppy. Emma asks about the Netherworld and Snow explains it as being "like you are lost." After another short round of the blame game, Emma blames Regina.  Mulan finishes the potion, blows it in Snow's face and asleep she goes.

She meets David int eh room (after he finally finds the way in going through mirrors and breaking the floor).  She doesn't have time to give him true love's kiss though because she awakes. She realizes he is cursed and wants to return but Emma says that she can do it on returning home.

They move out to go to Rumple's cell

Storybrooke

Gold and Belle are eating at Grannies where he is insulted. Regina arrives and Granny expect trouble but Regina says it's only talking. Regina spills that Cora is heading their way and Rumple isn't happy.  He points out that he doesn't have a beef with Cora but Regina says now she has a tool to use against him -- Belle!

Henry is going to sleep at Rumple's.  He wants to know about Cora but Regina tells him not to worry.  David worries about Henry but Rumple tells David it will be worse if Henry fails.  As Rumple tells him a story about Charming and Snow and a magician that uses a quill with special ink and where it is, Rumple falls asleep as Aurora falls asleep with Snow offering encouragement.

Henry awakens and tells them that Aurora suddenly disappeared before the message could be delivered.  Badly burned, Regina heals it.  David won't let Henry try again so that means that someone else must go under the sleeping curse.  Luckily, David volunteers and Rumple knows a way to make it happen.  It's not like the apple pies but it's like Aurora's prick of her finger. They use his spinning wheel and a draft made by Regina with the sleeping poison, David pricks his finger, and off to sleep he goes. (Regina and Henry have a talk about her using magic and she explains this is okay since she's helping people. He also feels guilty because he can't go back but Regina reminds him that his grandparents always find each other.)

Death count:
Do you count a zombie horde that comes back? If so, Mulan, Emma and Snow shot and killed them 2 or 3 times each.  There was around 8 of them.

Quotes:

Gold to Belle:  "Condiments are this world's most powerful magic."

Regina to Gold:  "This time you have someone you care about.  This time you have a weakness."  (Belle)

Aurora to Mulan:  "I was cursed to spend eternity int hat horrible sleep and the only reason I'm here is because you and Phillip risked your lives to save me.  Everyday since my waking has been a gift, so let me do something with it.  It's my turn to help someone."

Cora to Aurora:  "Snow and her daughter just can't help themselves. No matter the personal stakes, they won't let an innocent die."

Emma to Snow:  "You told me to have faith...and now I'm telling you.  We wil make it back."
Title: Re: Once Upon a Time Death Count
Post by: Outlast on March 09, 2016, 06:21:26 PM
Season 2, Episode 8 -- Into the Deep

Just what you don't want -- a Hook episode, right!


Death count:
Do you count a zombie horde that comes back? If so, Mulan, Emma and Snow shot and killed them 2 or 3 times each.  There was around 8 of them.

Actually I remember this version of Hook (the charming rogue/villain) rather fondly. It's the new 'hero' version of Hook that never sit right with me.

As for the Zombies I'd side with you on that one. If they were already dead than we can hardly hand out points for this episode (though I suppose their deaths have already been dealt with since they were probably in the village Cora leveled for +100 awhile back).
Title: Re: Once Upon a Time Death Count
Post by: Outlast on March 09, 2016, 06:31:35 PM
5.12 Souls of the Departed Deaths
Well Regina kills a peasant and then Cora sort of kills him again in the underworld, but since technically he was already dead I guess that doesn't count for our purposes either. Also Regina kills her jester back in the enchanted forest (I'd imagine there's a lot of turnover in that job).

Regina +2

SEASON FIVE DEATH COUNT (5.1-5.12)
Regina 102
Hook 4
Arthur 2
Charming 1
Nimue 1
Title: Re: Once Upon a Time Death Count
Post by: Outlast on March 14, 2016, 12:12:31 PM
5.13 Labor of Love
No deaths unless you count Cruella's assertion that Henry 'killed' the Author Pen  :D or the triple slaying of Cerberus the hell hound.
Title: Re: Once Upon a Time Death Count
Post by: LindaM on March 15, 2016, 08:04:55 AM
Loved the "kill the pen" angle.  I had wondered how Henry would get that back.

By the way -- Emile has had her baby.
Title: Re: Once Upon a Time Death Count
Post by: Outlast on March 15, 2016, 09:32:44 AM
Loved the "kill the pen" angle.  I had wondered how Henry would get that back.

By the way -- Emile has had her baby.
You're right...
https://twitter.com/emiliederavin/status/709202878255136768

I think Vera is a cute name. Kind of an old fashioned name (which I like).

As for the pen... we'll see. I actually kind of thought the ending for the whole series might be Henry getting the pen back and writing out happy ending for everyone. Now that's Once is renewed for season six I assume the pen will not make it out of the underworld since the power of the pen might make it too easy to solve our problems in the real Storybrooke.
Title: Re: Once Upon a Time Death Count
Post by: LindaM on March 15, 2016, 12:15:25 PM
They say they know how to end the show.  I figured it would be like they are doing season 5b (LOST way).  Now I'm not sure. Henry getting the pen in show finale would be good. Wonder how many seasons they'll do.
Title: Re: Once Upon a Time Death Count
Post by: Outlast on March 20, 2016, 09:18:31 PM
5.14 Devil's Due
Chalk another one up for Rumple. He killed the medicine man (is this where he gets his later baby trading obsession?). Milah doesn't count per the new underworld guidelines and he got a point for her already anyhow.

SEASON FIVE DEATH COUNT (5.1-5.14)
Regina 102
Hook 4
Arthur 2
Charming 1
Nimue 1
Rumple 1
Title: Re: Once Upon a Time Death Count
Post by: Outlast on March 20, 2016, 09:21:26 PM
How funny was it when Hades was basically complimenting Rumple on being his biggest 'supplier', even bigger than Regina... is someone from ABC reading this thread? -rollinglaugh-

Title: Re: Once Upon a Time Death Count
Post by: LindaM on March 21, 2016, 07:49:06 AM
I'm beginning to wonder if they're reading our minds. 
Title: Re: Once Upon a Time Death Count
Post by: Outlast on March 30, 2016, 04:35:45 PM
5.15 The Brother's Jones
I counted sixteen men on the ship that Liam sank for Hades so minus two Jones boys that puts 14 enormous points in the Liam Jones column and for all we know there could have been more men below! Interestingly I only counted seven men climbing onto the heaven boat with Liam, so I guess the rest already finished their unfinished business (it had been 200+ years after all). If anyone finds a more exact count on the number of men who went down on Captain Silver's ship please let me know and I'll change the number.

+14 deaths to Liam Jones, which I believe makes him the deadliest character (onscreen anyway)in Once outside of Cora and Regina (a.k.a. the village burners). Of the three odd seasons I mean. Rumple has 13 deaths in 1, 3 & 5 combined.

SEASON FIVE DEATH COUNT (5.1-5.15)
Regina 102
Liam Jones 14
Hook 4
Arthur 2
Charming 1
Nimue 1
Rumple 1
Title: Re: Once Upon a Time Death Count
Post by: LindaM on March 30, 2016, 07:38:39 PM
I've got Queen of Hearts ready to add.  I'm waiting until I finish disc 2 and hopefully that will be tomorrow night.  My sinus have bothered me all week and I'm planning to go to bed early.
Title: Re: Once Upon a Time Death Count
Post by: Outlast on April 03, 2016, 09:34:37 PM
5.16 Our Decay
Zelena admits to beheading a guard off-screen and I guess her taking the brain from that unnecessarily animated Scarecrow should count as a point as well?

Zelena +2

SEASON FIVE DEATH COUNT (5.1-5.16)
Regina 102
Liam Jones 14
Hook 4
Arthur 2
Zelena 2
Charming 1
Nimue 1
Rumple 1
Title: Re: Once Upon a Time Death Count
Post by: Outlast on April 12, 2016, 11:28:45 PM
5.17 Her Handsome Hero
No deaths that count for our purposes. Belle gets a ghost point for Gaston I guess.
Title: Re: Once Upon a Time Death Count
Post by: Outlast on April 25, 2016, 02:55:11 PM
5.18 Ruby Slippers
In which Belle does something stupid again.

5.19 Sisters
In which the Miller's daughters reunite

Deaths None
Title: Re: Once Upon a Time Death Count
Post by: Outlast on May 03, 2016, 08:10:27 AM
5.20 Firebird
Deaths - Emma's bail bondwoman  inspiration died, but I don't think anyone get s a point for that one.
Title: Re: Once Upon a Time Death Count
Post by: Outlast on May 08, 2016, 09:40:56 PM
5.21 Last Rites
Well let's see... Hades kills Arthur and Robin Hood. Then Zelena kills Hades. Did I miss anything?

Hades + 2
Zelena +1


SEASON FIVE DEATH COUNT (5.1-5.21)
Regina 102
Liam Jones 14
Hook 4
Zelena 3
Arthur 2
Hades 2
Charming 1
Nimue 1
Rumple 1
Title: Re: Once Upon a Time Death Count
Post by: LindaM on May 09, 2016, 08:13:33 AM
Nope -- you got it and I'm back tonight to digging through the last half of season two.  I've been out of it the last month due to work overload but we're heading for exams and it's getting easier.  I've also got to get to the Chinese/August scenes and do it quick (before next Sunday).  The big question from twitter (after the sniping about Outlaw Queen's with Hood's death was: Wasn't that the dragon in next week's episode.

And spot on deaths from last night.  Now how do we count the death of magic?
Title: Re: Once Upon a Time Death Count
Post by: Outlast on May 09, 2016, 04:32:13 PM
I also saw The Dragon (or someone who looks a lot like him) in the previews. Which is an intriguing and overdo plot sidetrack that they need to address. Looking forward to that.
Title: Re: Once Upon a Time Death Count
Post by: LindaM on May 10, 2016, 08:49:37 AM
Season 2, Episode 9 -- Queen of Hearts

In the Enchanted Forest
Hook enters Belle's cell to rescue her.  He will take her to her father who is sick.  He's really looking for Rumple and she tells him she doesn't know hot to find people. He knocks her out and starts to leave but meets Regina who knows all about his vendetta against the Crocodile.  Regina will help him kill Rumple but with a price?  This is before the curse because Regina is already planning to enact the curse.

In her new realm, Regina says it will be a land with no magic.  Rumple with no magic means that Hook can kill him. His role in all this: make sure Cora doesn't go to Storybrooke with them.  How?  By ripping out her heart and brought back to Regina.  (Continuity error here with 100th episode.).  Regina sends Hook through a portal using the Mad Hatter's hat to Wonderland.  He is forced to kneel before Cora who orders all to leave.  When Hook tries to take her heart, she takes his which how she learns what Regina has planned.  Cora feels that Regina doesn't have honor or she would have come to do the deed herself.  Hook must help Cora because she can give him what he wants.  She'll let him kill Rumple and enjoy it. 

In the past all are in the same land. Regina enacts the curse but Cora decides to shield herself and Hook in a globe.  Regina knows the curse must end in 28 years and a quest will resume.  Cora plans to help Regina pick up the pieces.


In Present Day Storybrooke
David is still sleeping and Rumple and Regina must take precautions against Cora coming through.  Their goal is to find where they will come through and stop it.  Only problem.  if they stop Cora, they stop Snow and Emma also.  Regina feels the magic is unpredictable. She also can't lie to Henry because she's trying to be a better mom. 

Henry reads to David and Regina tells him to watch David while they prepare for Snow and Emma to return.  Regina and Rumple leave to find the well.  When Leroy tells the crystals are missing, Henry realizes that his mom lied.  Meanwhile, they are at the well and Regina whats to know what if Snow/Emma try to come through. Rumple starts a spell as magic hits the well. Rumple finishes and says no one can survive coming through.  Henry arrives and Regina tells him they can't let Cora through. Rumple tries to reason with him but he echoes Snow with "Good always defeats evil." Regina tells him that her mother always destroys everything.  Henry goes to the well and Regina tries to pull him back. Henry knows they will return and reminds Regina she has changed. He asks her to have faith in him. Regina stops the spell. Henry rushes to well and Emma and Snow crawls out. All hug.  Regina and Rumple exchanges looks.

Red takes Snow to David who is awakened by "true love's" kiss. Emma is welcomed by Regina.  Emma tells Rumple she understands why he did what he did. She asks him why didn't he use the scroll ink to escape the curse.  He knew he could but he knew where he needed to be.  He created the curse but he did it to make her.  She was the product of true love. Cora couldn't take Emma's heart because of the magic.  Henry tells Regina she has changed and hug her.  The Charmings celebrate at Granny's while Rumple rubs it in that Regina wasn't invited.  Meanwhile a pirate ship rides off shore of Storybrooke with Cora and Hook on it.

In Enchanted Forest present
Aurora finds a message.  Aurora enters a cell with the compass and Cora shows up and takes it.  Emma tries to deal with Hook but is locked in the cell with the others. Cora and Hook plot their departure for Storybooke.  Hook has the seed taken from the giant but he sees it as useless.  While Emma feels she did what was necessary by breaking the curse, they can't escape the cell because it was made to hold Rumple.  Cora and Hook arrive at Lake Noister which is dry but where the legend said they would find the power of what was lost (his ship). Cora cast a spell and the lake fills.  Meanwhile our heroes have realized that Rumple had a spell in the cell to get out.  They find a scroll that will open the door.  In the past Snow use to watch Regina practice magic. She blows on the paper and squid ink melts the bars. Aurora says she must stay behind because Cora will know what is going on.  Mulan promises to come back and get her and she is locked in.

At the lake, Cora gives Hook the ashes which he sprinkles in the water creating a whirlpool. The heroes arrive and the compass is shot from Cora's hand (by Snow of course). Hook grabs Emma but Mulan fights Hook. The medallion/compass falls but Hook catches it. Mulan is hurt but still fights as her sword deflects Cora's magic. Fighting between all continues with Hook trying to kill Emma for the compass but Emma hits him, knocking him out. Emma advances on Snow and Cora's fight. Cora goes for Snow's heart but Emma gets in the way and Cora can't take Emma's heart. Cora thinks lough is a weakness but Emma tells her it is a strength.  Emma and Show jump in to head home.

Mulan has Aurora's heart.  She returns to the cell, frees Aurora and restores her.  Aurora remembers that Phillip's soul may not be trapped forever. They can bring him back and off they go to do it.

Cora  stands beside the lake looking sad cause she failed. Hook may not have ashes but he has a ship which appears.

Deaths -- 0 but not for lack of fighting or Cora ripping out a heart.

The Cricket Game and Outsider will be up later.

Quotes:  Snow to Emma:   "Good always defeats evil."  (Echoed later by Henry to Regina and Rumple.) (My side note after Sunday's episode:  Really?)

Cora to Regina (about Daniel):  "Love is weakness."
Regina to Cora:  "Mother, you are my weakness because I love you."

Cora:  "Love is weakness."
Emma:  "No! It's strength."
Title: Re: Once Upon a Time Death Count
Post by: LindaM on May 10, 2016, 09:39:39 AM
Season 2, Episode 10.  "The Cricket Game".  While technically the ending of season 2A, it starts the action for 2B.

Hook and Cora come to Storybrooke. Hook starts off after Rumple but Cora has other plans.  While on the dock, Hook and Cora are interrupted.  That doesn't stop Cora, she turns the person into a fish and Hook kicks him in the water.

At home the next day, Charming and Snow celebrate their reunion only to be caught by Emma and Henry who plan to make tacos.  Luckily Emma distracts Henry from action in the bed. 

At Granny's a welcome home party is happening.  As Charming toasts his family, Regina arrives with lasagna. Most aren't happy but Emma invited her and she stays. Henry tells her he's glad she's there. Regina leaves after the food but Emma goes after her. Regina asks Emma to let Henry stay but Emma is reluctant which makes Regina strike out. Emma says she knows she is trying to change because Archie told her. Hook watches Regina and tells Cora beside him that she's broken which Cora replies: Not Yet.

Regina confronts Archie about revealing their sessions on the dock. Archie assures her that he can be trusted and Red shows up and asks if everything is okay. Regina dismisses her. Later Red watches as Regina enters Archie's building and hears Pongo bark. Regina is really Cora and appears to choke Archie (but does she?) More later.

Henry and Emma talk about Enchanted Forest. Pongo arrives upset and Red realizes that something is wrong. They go to Archie's and find him dead on the floor.  Red saw Regina enter. Regina is at the Sheriff's office being questions but Emma thinks she didn't do it.  Emma points out that if she had, the building would be destroyed. Regina wants to change and Emma wants proof. At Archie's Regina's file is is empty. Theyrealize that Regina may be being framed.  Going to Gold's shop, they find Belle with him. Emma explains and wonders if Rumple can do anything. Pongo is brought in and Emma will be the one to see what he sees.  Rumple tells her to use her magic.  He gives her a dream catcher (nice catch in season 5a) and shows her how to run it along Pongo's back.  She looks into it and sees Regina/Cora killing Archie.

At Regina's, Emma tells her what they saw.  Regina realizes Gold helped her to use magic. Emma tells her that this will break Henry's heart.  They fight over Henry and Regina stops the spell Blue is about to throw then disappears.  Emma and the others go to catch Henry's bus.  Emma tells them she must be the mother and tell him. A funeral is held, and Henry mourns.  Emma brings him Pongo as a pet and while Snow accepts, she sees problems.

Cora now tells Hook that Regina has lost everything.  She also tells him that there is a gift in the hold of his ship waiting for him.  It's Archie who knows everyone's secrets. 

Enchanted Forest
Regina watches as a celebration occurs.  The Charmings have defeated King George and Snow is alone heading to meet Charming.  Turns out it is a trap and Charmings catch Regina when she goes to kill Snow. In Council all want Regina killed but the Cricket speaks for her. Snow/Charming discuss what to do and they decide to execute her.

Regina watches the preparation for her execution when her father arrives. He pleas with her to ask for forgiveness.  He accepts the blame for what she became but she says it is hers. He urges her to say she has changed. Regina looks to be doing it but attacks all instead.  As the arrows start to fly, Snow yells no and Blue stops them. She has another way -- rehabilitation.

After a talk with Charming, Snow goes out to get some air only to find Rumple outside.  Rumple was there for a souvenir. Rumple will help see if Regina can change.  She asks for the price but he talks in riddles.

Snow goes to see Regina and reminds her of her kindness to young Snow. She opens the door to let Regina have a fresh start.  Regina goes for the knife Snow has and tries to kill her.  Instead, Regina can't.  Snow has a protection spell on her. Charming arrives and Regina learns Rumple's role. Snow banishes Regina due to her saving Snow's life.  On Snow's wedding day, Rumple shows up to visit Regina and proposes the "other land" where she's not banished or forbidden to use magic. Regina calls for her coach to attend the Charming's wedding.

Deaths == 0
(While Archie is thought to be dead, it was a sleeping spell and is alive and maybe well in the hold of Hook's ship.)

Quotes:

Cora:  "Magic is here and that makes things more complicated."

Regina to Red:  "Go take yourself for a walk."

Regina to crowd:  "I know I'm being judged for my past -- a past where I caused pain. A past where I have inflicted misery.  A past where I have even brought death. When I look back at everything I have done, I want you all to know what I feel.  And that is regret. Regret that I was not able to cause more pain, inflict more misery and bring about more death. And above all else, with every ounce of my being, I regret that I was not able to kill Snow White.

Charming:  "If we don't stop her (Regina) now, no telling what she'll do." (Turn to the light?)

Regina:  "How can I blame the one I love most, who stood by me to the end."

Snow to Regina:  "You saved my life once.  Now I've saved yours.  So we're even.  And if you ever try to hurt anyone in my kingdom again, I will kill you."

Regina to Emma: "The savior of course...Well I can only assume he warned you then . . . that magic always come with a price."

Hook to Cora:  "It may take some work, but this cricket will chirp."
Title: Re: Once Upon a Time Death Count
Post by: LindaM on May 10, 2016, 01:28:54 PM
Season 2, episode 11 -- The Outsiders (this episode should really mark the end of season 2a.  It's when we get Belle's first stupid trick and the Outsiders entrance to set up Pan)

Storybrooke Present
Our episode opens with Rumple and Smee at the town line. Rumple has a potion and plans to use it on Smee and throw him over the line.  He does and Smee remembers everything.  Rumple can now go search for Baelfire.

The funeral for Archie has made Henry very sad.  He gets Pongo though as a pet (which I recorded last show) eventually.  On his ship, Hook has tortured Archie for answers but realizes Archie doesn't know where the dagger is. He does get Rumple's weakness from Hook (but we don't hear it).

Rumple and Belle are discussing his ability to leave town and hunt for Bael.  Rumple will put the potion on Bael's shawl and his journey is "something he has to do."  Belle goes to the library only to find Hook. She hits him with shelves then hides in the elevator and uses her cell to call Rumple. By the time he gets there, Hook is gone.

Henry won't eat and the Grumpy and company express their desire to return to the Enchanted Forest. If evil Regina is back, they think it might be safer. Rumple is meanwhile worrying about keeping Belle safe. She knows to help but Rumple tells her his version of Hook and Milah.  He only tells her that Milah died. When they return to Gold's shop, everything has been turned upset down. Smee's been there and took Bael's shawl so Rumple can't leave Storybrooke. Rumple is going after them and Belle wants to help. Rumple doesn't want to lose Belle and refuses. He gives Belle a gun to protect herself and goes off to accost Smee who he almost chokes. Belle's at the docks and finds Hook's ship. She also finds a wounded Archie and let's him lose.

Pongo is now Henry's and is at the Charming's apartment. Snow wants something bigger but Charming wants to return to the Enchanted forest. Belle is found on the ship by Hook who has the shawl.  The gun is lying away from her and Hook ends up with it.  Belle and Hook argue with him calling Rumple a coward. Hook then tells his side of the story and that Rumple killed Milah but Belle tells him she still sees good in Rumple. She hits Hook and runs only to have Hook catch up with her. Rumple arrives and they fight.  Belle stops the fight before Rumple kills Hook. 

Henry is in the loft working on blue prints for a home Emma and himself in the loft after the Charming leaves. There's a knock at the door and Pongo acts strange. It's Archie who tells Emma that Cora did it. Henry suggests telling Regina.

Belle and Rumple are at the town line so he can leave.  He asks why hasn't she given up and she replies, he's worth fighting for.  Rumple crosses and they talk. He wishes Belle coule come too but she can't. A shot rings out.  Hook has shot Belle who falls into Rumple's arm forgetting who she and he are. Car approaches from out of town and doesn't stop.  Somehow this car can enter Storybrooke and hits Hook.  The car wrecks.  It's an outsider (and starts the descent into the worse 2nd half of a season ever).

Enchanted Forest Past
Belle is in a bar listening to men planning to go after the Yaogua.  Dreamy comes over and urges her to sign up to go after the monster. Belle says her day of adventuring is over but Dreamy gives her some fairy dust and urges her to go.  Fairies use their magic for good he reminds her.

Belle goes on the adventure and studies her books for details.  She knows where to go and tells the men the lake. They kick her off the wagon and she smiles. She lied.  He's in the mountains hibernating by day. She gets to the cave and makes a noise, the beast attacks but Belle is saved by Mulan who has been tracking him for some time.  She's surprised it only took Belle a day.  When the men threaten to put Belle down the well for not telling them the truth, Mulan saves her and they team up in the quest.  They find the beast who attacks and Mulan gets hurt. Belle is the one that must go after the beast and she's scared. Mulan offers encouragement. 

Belle goes into the town and finds the beast. She knocks out his fire with water and realizes that something is strange about the beast when he starts writing "help." She sprinkles it with fairy dust and it turns into a man, Prince Phillip.  Belle broke the curse cast by Maleficient. He tells her he's in her debt and she asks for his help wtih Mulan.  As Belle leaves, she runs into Regina and Regina puts her in a cage to take her to the tower.

Deaths = none although Hook did cause Belle to lose her memory, got hit by a car which crashes

Quotes: Mulan to Belle:  "Show them you have the warrior's spirit."

Season 2 deaths to date:

Cora  -- 100 (Village)
Charming -- 5 (and this doesn't count the war with King George)
King George/George -- 2
Regina's Guard --- 1
Rumple -- 1
Regina -- 1
Title: Re: Once Upon a Time Death Count
Post by: Outlast on June 18, 2016, 11:54:06 PM
Because I seem to have forgotten the season five finale...

5.22 Only You & 5.23 An Untold Story
Deaths? None that last. Regina murders her 'evil' sid, but apparently that doesn't work out for her.

SEASON FIVE DEATH COUNT TOTAL
Regina 102
Liam Jones 14
Hook 4
Zelena 3
Arthur 2
Hades 2
Charming 1
Nimue 1
Rumple 1
Title: Re: Once Upon a Time Death Count
Post by: Outlast on September 03, 2016, 09:04:37 AM
SEASON FOUR
Since my (presumably) well meaning mom bought me season four of Once Upon a Time for my birthday last month...it seems like the right time to try and rewatch it and at least try to see the good in it (if it exists) so here we go.

4.1 A Tale of Two Sisters
The Frozen arc begins and I'm reminded that they honestly did a great job casting the three major roles.

We get several good Rumple/Rumbelle scenes in this episode; Rumple visits Bae's grave and delivers a monologue on how he wants to be a good man for him (Bae) and Belle. Too bad this storyline was more or less dropped. A visible and well explained storyline of Rumple struggling to give up magic/be a better man while being pulled in by the temptation of the Sorcerer's Hat would (to me) have been better than the unexplained choices he (and others) will make in season four. Speaking of the hat...we see it for the first time at what we now think of as The Sorcerer's house, which Belle found on a hike and chose as their honeymoon spot (remember they can't leave Storybrooke because of...whatever reason currently) and we get not only a lovely dance scene for Rumbelle to 'Beauty and the Beast', but also a stunning visual reveal of the hat as Rumple opens it for the first time and it plays The Sorcerer's Apprentice tune slowly in background. What a great sequence that was!

The rest of the episode deals with Regina being pissed that (not-really) Marion is still alive while Hook, Emma and the rest of the goofy gang try to defeat a snow monster.

Also in Arendale of yore Anna skips out on her wedding in order to cross the sea to Mist Haven and find out why their parents really left.

Deaths - Anna & Elsa's parents die at sea, but as yet no one has been blamed for that so no points needed.

4.2 White Out

Continuing on the positivity side... This is the episode where Anna (calling herself Joan) meets Charming (who has fabulous hair) and she teaches him how to use a sword so he can fight one of the best random out of the blue one-off characters that Once ever created - The Warlord: Bo Peep.  :043: Charming tries to give up, but Anna calls him a coward which (eventually) motivates him to save the day. And to save Anna how has now been branded by Bo Peep (using her handy dandy magic shepherd's crook). We also get to see mama Charming again as she gives Joan (Anna) the most important clue in her quest to discover why her parents left/where Elsa's magic comes from...a piece of paper with the name Rumplestiltskin printed on it. Cue adorable giggling Rumple cameo as he watches Anna in a crystal ball.

Oh and we learn that Charming's father died in a drunk carriage accident. Whether this is somehow important or just a PSA about not driving drunk in Amish country I don't know.

Meanwhile in our world... Snow is confronted by a small angry mob consisting of Granny, Grumpy and either Sleepy or Sneezy (I still don't have the other dwarves names down even after 5 seasons?!) who inform her the power is out and demand she fix it since she cast this (latest) curse which in their opinion makes her the Mayor. (eventually) Snow fixes the power using her mommy powers.

Elsa continues her bizarre behavior by raising an ice barrier around the town and trapping Emma in an ice cave to try and force Hook and Charming to find Anna. During this time (slowly freezing to death) Emma and Elsa bond over magic and family problems, while Hook and Charming bother the Golds...
Mr. Gold to Belle as Hook and Charming charge into their pawn shop: "It appears our honeymoon is over." :D
The Golds help Charming realize that Anna is none other than his old pal 'Joan' which leads them to Bo Peep (now a butcher) which nets them her crook, which doesn't lead them to Anna (spoilers she's back in Arendale safe and sound as I recall), but lets them know she is alive by emitting a heartbeat.

Please note that the fact that Elsa still can't control her magic is annoying to me because I've seen the movie. I'll try not to harp on it.

And the episode ends with Henry confronting Regina at their house where she has been hiding (re: sulking) since 'Marian' returned. Hugging ensues. Cue credits.

DEATHS - ZERO

SEASON FOUR DEATHS (after 2 episodes)
0
Title: Re: Once Upon a Time Death Count
Post by: Outlast on September 07, 2016, 10:56:55 PM
4.3 Rocky Road
Robin, Roland and 'Marian' stop for some ice cream. How sweet.

Emma confronts Gold about Elsa. He says he doesn't know anything. Hook wants Belle to use the dagger on him, Gold assents and Belle does and we all know it's a fake so the scene is very awkward really, but it does the trick and Emma is convinced and leaves to find another lead.

Snow and Charming reminisce about Rupert their court jester. Why?

'Marian' collapses at the town meeting and everyone thinks Elsa must be behind it. An angry mob starts to form. Robin tries True Loves Kiss on 'Marian', but no dice (gee I wonder why and the answer isn't 'because he's totally in love with Regina now'). Robin gets Regina to help and she takes 'Marian's' heart out and puts it in a box to keep her alive.

Emma finds Will Scarlett going through Robin's tent; he leads them to a suspiciously unpowered ice cream parlor.

Hook blackmails Gold with the knowledge of the fake dagger. Gold kindly helps him by returning the Snow Queen's magic (in 'Marian's' hair) to its original form so that they can follow it to the person who cast it. They do and SQ nearly kills Hook. Darn. SQ escapes.

Later SQ meets Gold in the woods. They know each other and he knows that she knows Emma somehow, but that Emma has forgotten.

Regina tries to bribe Henry into helping her find The Author. No need he's thrilled to help and Operation Mongoose begins.

In Arendale past Hans (who's army is forming at the border) has a familiar magic urn and Kristoph and Elsa go to get it and are ridiculously captured by Hans, who opens the urn to trap Elsa, but oops...should've checked to see if it was empty first because the Snow Queen shows up and freezes him. Elsa brings her back to the palace where SQ tells her she's her aunt. But when they meet in present day... Elsa no longer remembers her.

DEATHS - Well SQ freezes Hans, but I think he recovers later and she nearly killed Hook, but it doesn't happen because we can't have nice things.

4.4 The Apprentice
What's this? A genuinely GOOD episode in season four? It's like seeing a unicorn!

...In the distant past Zoso tries to steal the hatbox, but is repulsed by a barrier because his heart is dark. The Apprentice says no Dark One will ever get the hat - cut to Rumple opening the hat in the present day. GREAT SCENE.

In Misthaven past - Anna meets Rumple who wants her to put something in an old man's tea. Anna agrees, but backs out once she meets the old man. She returns to Rumple only to learn that what she had wasn't poison, but the antidote to the poison Rumple got him to drink ...yesterday. Oops. They watch through Rumple's glass ball as the Apprentice is turned into a mouse. It was a test of Anna's heart. He needs someone to consider darkness and turn away. Anna says she never considered it at all. But later she threatens him with a sword and he almost taunts her into using it...which gets him the tear he needs to get past the barrier and get that box. Which he does, but Anna and the Mousy Apprentice get Rumple to drop the dagger, which Anna uses to get Rumple to spill his plan...he wants the hat to free himself of the dagger and retain his power - and she makes him promise not to hurt her or her sister again and he must change the Apprentice back into a man blah blah blah. Rumple does it all and then screams in impotent rage when he finally gets his dagger back.

BTW Rumple says in this episode that the hat was crafted THOUSANDS of years ago by a powerful Sorcerer and that his Apprentice guards it...so basically the timeline they later establish in the Camelot arc is total BS!!! But back to the actual good episode of Once...

In the present day - Hook goes to blackmail Gold again, this time to get his hand back. Gold warns him the hand is cursed, but Hook insists. Later when Will Scarlett interrupts his date with Emma and Hook not only threatens him, but goes looking for him later and beats his face in. He blames the 'cursed' hand. Right. Belle finds a beaten and drunk Will in the library the next morning and calls the cops.

Gold then blackmails Hook right back, getting him to help him hat The Apprentice in exchange for getting his Hook back. Once the hook is attached once more, Gold smiles and tells him the hand was never cursed. It was just an excuse Hook used to go back to his old ways. They threaten each other some more. Gold pulls out security footage of Hook hatting the Apprentice (with Gold helpfully magic'd out of the frames). He's stuck.

The episode ends with Henry plotting with Regina to trick his grandfather into hiring him as an Apprentice, which he does, even bringing up his dead father/Gold's dead son as a reason they should spend time together. ...THIS WAS A TERRIBLE THING FOR HENRY TO DO! :c029:

DEATHS
- None. The Apprentice comes back later so clearly hat does not equal death.

QUOTES
  Mr Gold: (Chuckles) You were right. Dark one lies. Dark one tricks. This hand is nothing but a lump of flesh. The only thing it did was give you permission, permission to be the man you really are... not some puppy dog chasing after the object of his affection, but a ruthless pirate who will stop at nothing to get what he wants. I did you a favor. I helped you remember the darkness that lies beneath.
  Hook: (He is now speaking in a threatening tone) Then you know that that darkness will have no problem crushing Belle's heart.
  Mr Gold: If you go after my love... You will surely lose yours. You threatened my marriage, tried to destroy the only light in my life, and for that, you will owe me as long as you live.
  Hook: What if I'm willing to take you down with me?
  Mr Gold: I think... I know you better than you know yourself, dearie. So here we are, Captain, still in business together. I think... You and I are gonna have some fun.

&

(Henry is standing in Mr Gold’s shop. Mr Gold is behind the counter and is looking surprised at whatever Henry had just said to him.)
  Mr Gold: A job?
  Henry: You know, after school and weekends. Now that my father's gone, I realized that you're the closest thing I've got to him, but I-if you don't want me around...
  Mr Gold: No, well... All right. A few days a week. But, uh... stay out of the back room, and don't touch anything without asking. You can be my apprentice.
  Henry: What does an apprentice do?
  Mr Gold: Many, many things. First, you can start by sweeping the floor. (Hands Henry a broom)
  Henry: (Takes the broom and starts sweeping the floor)

Title: Re: Once Upon a Time Death Count
Post by: LindaM on September 08, 2016, 08:05:15 AM
Quote
Oh and we learn that Charming's father died in a drunk carriage accident. Whether this is somehow important or just a PSA about not driving drunk in Amish country I don't know.

Somehow I think this will be addressed this season.  I heard Charming is going to delve into his history some.

And I WILL get season two completed when I stop falling asleep on the couch at night.  It's embarrassing.
Title: Re: Once Upon a Time Death Count
Post by: Outlast on September 08, 2016, 03:15:08 PM
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Oh and we learn that Charming's father died in a drunk carriage accident. Whether this is somehow important or just a PSA about not driving drunk in Amish country I don't know.

Somehow I think this will be addressed this season.  I heard Charming is going to delve into his history some.

And I WILL get season two completed when I stop falling asleep on the couch at night.  It's embarrassing.
More early Charming on the horizon? I do hope that means The Wig will make a reappearance.  :)

Its a spoiler of course, but I did trip across the info that the Rumbelle baby's gender was leaked accidentally by a script tease or something. Whoops.
Title: Re: Once Upon a Time Death Count
Post by: LindaM on September 09, 2016, 08:01:31 AM
Well, what was it?  I can't find anything on twitter.
Title: Re: Once Upon a Time Death Count
Post by: Outlast on September 09, 2016, 05:30:10 PM
Well, what was it?  I can't find anything on twitter.
It's a boy for Rumbelle! ...shucks I wanted a girl. :57:
Title: Re: Once Upon a Time Death Count
Post by: Outlast on September 12, 2016, 06:13:19 PM
4.5 Breaking Glass

This is the one where we meet Lily, which makes it even more boring the second time considering her character never really amounts to anything and the stuff they do to shoehorn her in (like the Charmings dumping her egg into a portal) messes up several characters later on.

In real time - Emma finds a picture of herself talking to the Snow Queen in Storybrook. It's one of Regina's spy pics from season one, so she asks her for help. Regina turns to Sydney who wants to be freed. Regina denies him and makes him help her. Later on when Sydney betrays her to the SQ nearly sending Regina and Emma into an icy grave...it makes sense to me.

Anyway from the SQ makes a fancy mirror from the small one she gets from Regina.

DEATHS - None.

4.6 Family Business


In the past Belle has bad dreams about the ogres killing her mom (Collette), a time she does not remember because of...trauma? I guess. She wants to know how her mom died and her father Maurice (whom I have never liked) refuses and basically orders her to stay in her room even though she is like thirty years old here (it has never been clear how old Belle is when she meets Rumple which occurs directly after this story by either days or weeks.).

Belle runs away from home and heads for Arendale to find the rock trolls who can restore memory. She meets Anna along the way and together they get a memory rock from the trolls. Later Belle chooses that memory stone over Anna when both are dangling from a cliff and she manages to save neither of them as the memory stone shatters and Anna... well she doesn't, but she really should've given the height she apparently fell from, but maybe the SQ (did I forget to mention she was the one causing this problem in the first place?) cushioned her fall or something. Anyway...SQ steals the hat box from Anna, who stole it from Rumple and Belle watches them poof away. She feels massive guilt over this. Later when she returns home her father tells her how her mother died (sure now he tells her.) and she died heroically saving Belle and so Belle wants to be a hero too. She and her dad chat about calling in an evil sorcerer named Rumplestiltskin for help (she learned about him from Anna; Maurice already know about him though) thus nicely teeing up Skin Deep from season 1 - aka the best episode of Once ever.

In the present day - Belle is wearing a cute scarf covered in tiny daggers, which may well be the last complimentary thing I say about Belle for the rest of this recap as the gang gets together to discuss stuff and Belle denies knowing Anna or much at all about Arendale...why?! I know she feels guilty, but she doesn't have to admit she chose the rock over Anna. Anna didn't even know that! This was a pointless lie!

Later Rumple and SQ meet in the woods and vaguely threaten each other.

In another nod to the terrible writing in season four...Belle pulls out the dagger and orders Rumple to take her to the SQ.
THIS IS NOT OK ONCE WRITERS! #badidea!

Belle lies to Rumple about knowing Anna. Again...why? In the SQ's cave she meets evil Belle in the mirror who tells her she sucks and Rumple only married her because she's weak and easy to control... Rumple interrupts the spell standing between Belle and the bad mirror to let her know the SQ is coming back (Belle ordered him on watch outside the cave earlier). Belle is still upset over what the bad mirror said so she takes a swing at Rumple with the dagger making a shallow cut on his neck. Rumple grabs her arms and poofs them home (hey she didn't order him not to.) where Belle continues to act badly until she sees the cut on Rumple's neck. She's ashamed about something else now and finally tells him the truth, which is really no big whoop. She says she wanted a hat from the SQ. A hat that can strip magical beings of their powers. Hmmm. Ever hear of such a thing Rumple? lol

The episode ends with Rumple confronting the SQ with the hat open in his hands. WHY DOESN'T HE HAT HER RIGHT HERE????!!!! PLOT HOLE ALERT! They threaten each other again. They talk about her magical mirror and there's something about the spell of 'shattered sight'. Great. And again I ask...why doesn't he just hat her?

DEATHS - NONE

QUOTES

Anna: Careful! Careful.
Belle: Why? W-what's inside?
Anna: A hat which can strip the magic from the most powerful of sorcerers.
Belle: Why do you have such a thing?
Anna: I sort of stole it from an evil sorcerer when I was back in the Enchanted Forest. I went to him to help with my sister, but things didn't exactly go according to plan.
Belle: Why? What... What happened? Who... Who is this person?
Anna: I-I'd really rather not get into it. The less you know, the better. I just pray you never cross paths with that twisted man.

Belle: I... I hurt you. I... I'm so sorry,
Rumple. Mr Gold: It's okay.
Belle: When I f-found that mirror, something came over me, like a... Like a spell. And... And it spoke to me and made me... Made me believe all these horrible things, and it said to me that the dagger you gave me is fake.
Mr Gold: I can assure you that nothing that mirror said is true. It was imbued with the darkest of magic. I-I know you would never wrong me.
Belle: I have wronged you. I've kept a terrible secret from you. I'm the reason... That Anna's missing. I didn't want anyone to know until I could make things right and save Anna. But I couldn't. I failed. And all I managed to do was abuse the dagger and... And take advantage of you, my true love. I-I don't even know if I... If I deserve to be with you anymore.
Mr Gold: No, no, no. You were only doing what you thought was right.
Belle: You... You forgive me?
Mr Gold: Of course I forgive you. Thank you for telling me everything.
Belle: Thank you for understanding. I never should have kept a secret from you, especially 'cause I know that you'd never keep one from me. I love you, Rumple.
Mr Gold: And I love you, too.


Mr Gold: I'm afraid we have a problem, dearie. I caught a glimpse of your mirror today.
The Snow Queen: It's rather impressive, isn't it? I had no idea your bride would be so easy to turn.
Mr Gold: Watch yourself. Now, I don't know exactly when you intend to use this mirror, but you should know this. I won't allow you to hurt those I care about.
The Snow Queen: And I won't allow you to derail my plans because you've suddenly gotten sentimental.
Mr Gold: You only get one warning.
The Snow Queen: Which is more than you get. I can't make any promises over who may or who may not survive.
Mr Gold: You know, you were wrong before.
The Snow Queen: That you needed leverage to get what you want?
Mr Gold: No, that I didn't have it. I do. (Mr Gold shows the Snow Queen the hat.)
The Snow Queen: Where did you get that?
Mr Gold: Oh, that's irrelevant. But now that I know what you're up to, we can have a real talk. You might want to reconsider your position, because I doubt you'd enjoy becoming just another embroidery on this hat. Looks like you've just lost your leverage, dearie.

SEASON FOUR DEATHS (six episodes in)
0

Edited to add a note that Belle's mom died in 4.6, but killed by ogre doesn't count as a point so we're still at zero.
Title: Re: Once Upon a Time Death Count
Post by: Outlast on October 05, 2016, 03:54:33 PM
6.1 The savior
DEATHS - Nuevo Jafar kills the messenger

6.2 A Bitter Draught
DEATHS - The Count of Monte Cristo kills some baron.

Regina kills one of her guards. She also burns down a village...but Monte said the villagers all fled, so I'm not sure if she gets 100 bonus points for this village or not.

Rumple time delay kills a handmaiden named Charlotte?  I think so anyway. I re-watched the scene and he never says he poisoned her, but I assume he did it. The other option is that she drank the poisoned wine that Monte poured earlier and Rumple just took advantage of the tragedy.

Regina kills the count of Monte Cristo.

Season Six Death Count (after 2 episodes)
Regina 2
Jafar 1
Monte 1
Rumple 1
Title: Re: Once Upon a Time Death Count
Post by: Outlast on October 10, 2016, 01:48:17 PM
6.3 The Other Shoe
The other half of the Cinderella story.

No deaths.
Title: Re: Once Upon a Time Death Count
Post by: Outlast on October 10, 2016, 01:54:39 PM
4.7 The Snow Queen

In ye olde Arendale of yore we meet Ingrid (before she became the titular Snow Queen) and her sisters Helga and Gerta. When they are young Ingrid freezedrops a tree onto villain who was trying to kidnap them. Later as grown-ups we see that Ingrid, like Elsa would a couple decades later, isolates herself in the castle and avoids people to keep her powers hidden. Gerta suggests they visit Rumple in Misthaven and he makes a deal with them...he takes their three yellow sister ribbons (which are presumably filled with sisterly love juice) and gives them gloves to help control Ingrid's powers and the urn which will trap her later.

The gloves work just fine until Helga (who was hilariously courting the duke of Weasel town) gets between Ingrid and the duke and she takes the freeze blast meant for him and then is shattered into a million ice cubes. Coming upon the sad scene third sister Gerta urns Ingrid and goes to the rock troll to remove all memory of these events from the land. Smart.

In present day - Emma visits her mom at the mommy and me class and gets so jealous of her little brother that she boils the milk in his bottle. Also the writer's seem to have forgotten that Cinderella's baby was a GIRL.

SQ gets herself captured in order to ramp up Emma's alienation from her parents which works ridiculously well.

Henry starts his spying on his own grandfather. which again, makes me mad.

Emma accidentally knocks a light pole onto Charming. He's fine.

SQ bargains with Rumple to get her ribbons back by whispering the info he needs to finally cleave himself of the dagger. Info which I recall was that he needed to kill someone who knew him before he was the Dark One and only one man fits that bill, which is why Rumple smiles at the end of the episode.

QUOTES

Emma to SQ: ...I have one of those (a family) and it spans three generations and four hundred years.
Me: REALLY?! Does that mean Emma think Gold/Baelfire are four hundred years old? Because that messes up the timeline they later establish with Merlin, which I've already said several times was a huge continuity error on their part!

Deaths - 2

SEASON FOUR DEATHS (seven episodes in)
Ingrid (Snow Queen) - 2
Title: Re: Once Upon a Time Death Count
Post by: Outlast on October 10, 2016, 02:00:16 PM
4.8 Smash the Mirror parts 1 & 2

In Arendale past - The Snow Queen visits The Apprentice and makes a deal, the hat for two magical sisters to love her. Then she goes back to Arendale and curses Anna with the Spell of Shattered Sight (or SSS for future reference) which causes Anna to put Elsa into the urn. SQ freezes all of Arendale. Later Rumple shows up and wants to deal for the hat. SQ says no. Rumple poofs urned Elsa into his dark vault and says if she (SQ) wants to make a deal to just say his name three times. At a future date SQ does, but just before she can get out the third 'stiltskin' The Apprentice appears and tells her that her second sister hasn't been born yet and sends her to the land without magic (circa 1982) to wait for her.

In Storybrooke present - Emma's powers are so (unbelievably) out of control that she hurts Henry (minor scratch) so she goes to Gold for help, which he is most willing to provide. She wants to get rid of her magic, he sends her to a mansion in the middle of the woods. Emma calls her folks and they love the plan to get rid of the magic. Hook overhears and knows that Emma must've gone to 'the crocodile' for help. He goes to Gold's shop and finds a map to the mansion left conspicuously in sight. At the mansion Elsa stops Emma before she can enter the hatting room Gold set up and the two of them 'embrace' their powers which powers up SQ's yellow bracelet giving her the combined power of all three. Meanwhile Hook walks right into Gold's trap and in the best scene of the episode Gold tells the captain that he's 'his oldest friend' and rips out his heart (which btw was waaay too red for a murderous pirate like Hook, but this show loves to whitewash the past evils of Hook and Regina when it suits them). In her ice cave, SQ revels in her new power and casts the SSS sending glass shards billowing out towards the town as the screen fade to black.

The B-plot this episode was a very trashy one with Regina and Robin having sex in her crypt vault while 'Marion' is presumably sleeping in a tent in the forest with 'their' son Roland. Later Snow tells Regina she shouldn't be ashamed (about sleeping with a 'married' man)...wait? Of course she should! That she (Snow) did it (also wrong and in very similar circumstances too!) Snow prattles on about how Regina used to make bad choices and now she was making good ones...wait what? Apparently in Once it's fine to sleep with a married man as long as you love each other. Cause you know 'love' conquers all...

DEATHS
- none.

QUOTES

Mary Margaret: It may seem drastic, but it's the only way Emma can be sure never to hurt anyone again.
Regina: This could be the worst idea you've ever had, and you hired the wicked witch as your nanny.  (LOL)
David: Well, we actually think it'll be good for her. We... She could be normal.
Regina: Let me ask you something. Do you know what I regret most?
David: Countless innocent lives you destroyed? (again...LOL)
Title: Re: Once Upon a Time Death Count
Post by: Outlast on October 10, 2016, 02:03:44 PM
4.9 Fall

Arendale past/Present - Anna and all of Arendale unfreeze after some 30ish years of being Frozen. She and Kristoff run from Hans and his brothers. They make a deal with Blackbeard and somehow get plot-holed over to Storybrooke for a sisterly reunion.

Storybrooke - Gold makes a deal with SQ to spare Belle and Henry from the curse and he forces Hook to hat all the fairies, who are at Granny's trying to find a solution as the SLOWEST CURSE EVER meanders its way towards the town.

Everyone ends up locking themselves away from each other to stop them from killing each other.

DEATHS in 4.9 - NONE

SEASON FOUR DEATHS (Nine episodes in)
Ingrid (Snow Queen) - 2
Title: Re: Once Upon a Time Death Count
Post by: Outlast on October 17, 2016, 04:27:39 AM
6.4 The Strange Case
DEATHS - Jekyll/Hyde kills Mary
Hook kills Jekyll/Hyde ...here's a question...should this count for ONE point or TWO? hmmm.
Title: Re: Once Upon a Time Death Count
Post by: LindaM on October 17, 2016, 01:07:25 PM
I'd say 1 because Hyde was a part of Jekyll.
Title: Re: Once Upon a Time Death Count
Post by: Outlast on October 17, 2016, 04:14:16 PM
1 point it is then!

Boy they're really ramping up the death this season!

Season Six Death Count (after 4 episodes)
Regina 2
Hook 1
Jafar 1
Jekyll/Hyde 1
Monte 1
Rumple 1
Title: Re: Once Upon a Time Death Count
Post by: Outlast on October 26, 2016, 11:50:24 AM
6.5 Street Rats
Aladdin - Jasmine - New Jafar...yet no deaths.

The Oracle person appears to be dead in Storybrooke though and The Evil Queen seems to be taking credit for that one so...point to Regina?

Deaths points - Regina +1

Season Six Death Count (after 5 episodes)
Regina 3
Hook 1
Jafar 1
Jekyll/Hyde 1
Monte 1
Rumple 1
Title: Re: Once Upon a Time Death Count
Post by: LindaM on October 26, 2016, 01:08:54 PM
Should we separate Evil Queen from Regina.  Oh shoot.  This is getting difficult.

By the way -- who has the Rumple sword?
Title: Re: Once Upon a Time Death Count
Post by: Outlast on October 26, 2016, 03:57:01 PM
Should we separate Evil Queen from Regina.  Oh shoot.  This is getting difficult.

By the way -- who has the Rumple sword?
I don't see any reason to separate one Regina from another. They're the same person after all and I'm 90% sure that they'll end up reintegrating by the end of the season. But if future events prove that they should be treated separately than I'll edit later.

What is the Rumple sword? Do you mean his dagger? Because I'm pretty sure he took that back from Hyde's dead body.
Title: Re: Once Upon a Time Death Count
Post by: Outlast on November 01, 2016, 10:14:00 AM
6.6. Dark Waters
No permanent deaths. Liam2 stabs Nemo, but he eventually survives that.
Title: Re: Once Upon a Time Death Count
Post by: Outlast on December 13, 2016, 03:14:36 PM
6.7 Heartless
Snow and Charms meet/don't meet for the first time. David kills the Woodcutter with an ax holding assist from caged Snow. We end with the double sleeping curse; best not to mention that true love twig thing.

1 point to David

6.8 I'll Be Your Mirror
Opens with a sweet sleepy Charmings montage.
Emma and Regina get trapped in a cool looking mirror world.

6.9 The Changelings
We learn that Rumple's mom is dun dun DUN...THE BLACK FAIRY!
EQ tries to kill Zelena and fails miserably.
Belle heartlessly sends the baby away with Blue for plot reasons.

6.10 Wish You Were Here

EQ gets what she deserves which is apparently to be turned into a snake by a guy she's never met.
Rumbelle re-team for plot reasons.
Much wishing abounds.
Emma and Regina end up trapped in a wish world with a mysteriously un-aged (and alive) Robin Hood and an adorably manic Rumplestiltskin.

Ok so Regina kills both Charmings in the Wish World, but do those count? Is this a real place? I'm not sure. Maybe we should just wait on the points until we see the spring premiere and how this story progresses. If Robin/manic Rumple can come back to the 'real' world than maybe these wish people ARE real enough to count for points. If they say try to bring Robin back and he disappears as soon as they leave...no points?



Season Six Death Count (after 10 episodes)

Regina 3 (+2 possible for Wish Charmings)
Charming 1
Hook 1
Jafar 1
Jekyll/Hyde 1
Monte 1
Rumple 1

Title: Re: Once Upon a Time Death Count
Post by: LindaM on December 14, 2016, 08:46:25 AM
Regina didn't think they counted.  I'm so confused about the "Wish World" I don't know what to say.
Title: Re: Once Upon a Time Death Count
Post by: Outlast on December 14, 2016, 03:39:55 PM
Regina didn't think they counted.  I'm so confused about the "Wish World" I don't know what to say.
Regina doesn't seem to count much against herself and neither does Emma these days. She always sounds so woe is me when she talks about her past, it's all 'geez I'm totally good now, why do people keep reminding that I murdered a few hundred people like ages ago in another whole realm? Can't they see that hurts me?' ... -duh-
Title: Re: Once Upon a Time Death Count
Post by: LindaM on December 15, 2016, 07:58:02 AM
Okay -- I've done some thinking on this.  The wish realm is real to the wish realm.  The problem comes with whether Emma and Regina are really residents there or just illusions.  While the wish realm is an illusion to R & E, it's not to "Wish Henry."  Thus, I'm stymied on how to say count the deaths.  And remember, if the "wish realm" and "our realm" really were together, all R would have had to do was crush one heart, not too.   :c029:  Can we get anymore complicated.
Title: Re: Once Upon a Time Death Count
Post by: Outlast on January 26, 2017, 09:45:03 AM
4.10 Shattered Sight
The curse descends and immediately everybody starts fighting. Charming asserts that maybe baby Neal is Whale's son and not his (ooooooh). Will steals a wallet from an unconscious man...there is much fighting in the streets.

Regina's hatred releases the bracelets so that Emma and Elsa can save the town, but Ingrid has a last minute change of heart and saves the town herself sacrificing her own life.

So one point to Ingrid I guess?

SEASON FOUR DEATHS (Ten episodes in)
Ingrid (Snow Queen) - 3


4.11 Heroes and Villains   
In the past Belle is kidnapped by the 'queens of darkness' and recued by Rumple in exchange for a magical gauntlet which unbeknownst to Belle he later gets back because they never made a deal, he paid a ransom.

In Storybrooke
Elsa brings down the snow-wall, while Gold threatens Hook and Regina cures not-Marian from her icy cursed sleep.

...I'm pretty sure I've made my feelings clear on how I feel about this show breaking up Robin Hood and Maid Marian to give Regina a boyfriend. Not cool.

Henry calls Belle grandma... gee Henry showing familial concern for Belle... no wait he was probably just using her to find out more about The Author.

Not-Marian 'relapses' so Regina sends her and Robin to New York and somehow gives them Neal's old apartment (how exactly does that work again?). Regina asks Gold why he's (a fellow villain) happy, he says he took it and advises Regina to do the same, he even holds her hand and wishes her well (which gesture she will repay soon by stealing his wife's heart to torment him...yeeeaaaah she's really really changed). At the town line Robin sends his 'wife' over first so he can make-out with Regina one more time before he and not-Marian run off to New York to make a baby.

The Arendale gang finally leave, but not before Anna (ridiculously) turns around after the others have already gone through the door and asks about kind Mr. Gold who told them where to find the door to Arendale and when she hears the word Rumplestiltskin she tells them he's a liar which shouldn't have been news to them, but somehow convinces them to find him right away to see what he's up to ...and then we get to the worst moment on Once thus far where Belle uses the gauntlet to track Rumple's greatest weakness, which leads her to the dagger, which pisses her off because she thought SHE should be #1 on the weakness chart so she stops him from killing Hook and cleaving himself from the dagger (which fwi would in fact have made Belle #1 for reals) and then she banishes him across the town line and I really don't want to watch the show anymore and maybe I shouldn't have.

DEATHS - NONE (unfortunately)

SEASON FOUR DEATHS (Eleven episodes in)
Ingrid (Snow Queen) - 3

4.12 Darkness on the Edge of Town


In the past Rumple and 'the queens of Darkness' (a plotline I think may have been one of the worst if not THE worst in Once history outside of whichever writer thought a plotline of Rumbelle fighting for three straight seasons would be good) go on an uninteresting adventure to retrieve the dark curse after which he leaves them to die at the hands of the Churnabog (however you spell it).

In Storybrooke Belle and Hook become friends because she's stupid and forgetful and I'm far too grouchy about this storyline to be generous to her.... anyway Belle finds a way to get the fairies out of the hat thanks to a helpful 'professor from Oxford' (hmmm...did he type like he had a limp perchance?) which inadvertently releases something else from the hat... the Churnabog.

We get to watch Rumple eating noodles in New York with the least interesting of the three QoD, Ursula. They track down the best part of the three in Cruella and make plans to get back into Storybrooke. Which they do easily even taking the time to stop by Mr. Cluck's (from LOST) on the way.

And we learn from Rumple that the Churnabog (which for some strange reason goes after the heart with the greatest potential for darkness) wasn't after Regina as the townsfolk thought...it was after Emma Swan.... yeah that storyline never worked either.

And lastly we see the Charmings threatening Ursula and Cruela not to tell the town about what they (the perfect hero Charmings) did in The Enchanted Forest.

DEATHS - NONE

SEASON FOUR DEATHS (Twelve episodes in)
Ingrid (Snow Queen) - 3

Title: Re: Once Upon a Time Death Count
Post by: Outlast on February 08, 2017, 04:29:31 PM
4.13 Unforgiven
In the past The Charmings meet Cruella and Ursula and Maleficent who kills three guards on their way to find the Tree of Wisdom. ...And thus we begin one of my least favorite storylines ever where Team Charming (aka the 'heros') will kidnap a baby and shove her through a portal on the specious theory that they will banish their own child's potential for darkness. Yeah that was dumb on every level. Maybe the #1 in the history of dumb OUAT storylines.
Anyway Maleficent later tells Snow she's pregnant and that her child might be a villain (Because the oh so pure hearted Charmings were just rejected by the tree of wisdom so of course it HAS to be the innocent baby that the tree didn't like...right?).

In Storybrooke ...Cruella & Ursy are in Granny's dinner and they twit Regina by asking if she once removed the heart of every villager in the north wood...or was that the south? ....Could we assign points for that???? That almost seems like another 100 point village burn type scenario. Regina doesn't deny it; she just threatens them about revealing her sins in front of Henry.

Later Regina is really cruel to now ten year old Pinocchio while demanding (and threatening) him to remember stuff that happened when he was August and Gepetto tells her to stay away from his boy. Later she apologizes and Gepetto shows her August's motorcycle.

The Two Queens resurrect the third Queen, Maleficent, with a double dumb assist from the guilty Charmings.

Snow doesn't have the guts to tell Emma the truth for plot reasons so she goes to Regina and confesses that Emma was born with the 'potential for great darkness' (you know like basically everyone else) and will Regina pretty please help them cover up their mess.

Oh and one more horrible plotline needs to begin here as we see Gold watching Belle lock up the shop and kissing Will Scarlett (blech).

This episode is TOTALLY in the running for worse OUAT episode ever.

DEATHS
Maleficent 3
Regina (possible) +100

SEASON FOUR DEATHS (Thirteen episodes in)
Ingrid (Snow Queen) - 3
Maleficent 3
Regina (possible) +100



4.14 Enter the Dragon
In the past we see more of Regina's jealousy towards the oh so perfect Snow White and her impatience at the slow pace of Rumple's magic lessons so Rumple poofs her off to meet her new hero Maleficent who is a drug-addled disappointment. Regina says she (Maleficent) has lost her spark so she helps her get it back in time to roast King Stephan.

Once back Regina shows Rumple what she's learned from Maleficent by putting Snow White's prized steed under a 100 tear sleeping curse.

In Storybrooke Regina starts hanging out with a bad crowd and trashes David's police car (he's very possessive for a Sheriff who got the job from his daughter) all in an effort to find the QoD's secret, which The Charmings think is related to their problems but is really just that Rumple is back in town. Emma seems very concerned about Regina. So concerned it kind of feels weird.

Hook thinks the QoD's are here to take the Dark One's dagger and he convinces Belle to give it to him to hide (insert eye rolls). Belle acts like she's afraid of Rumple (why? she wasn't even afraid of him when he was a full on goldie!) and the dagger is her only protection, so Hook tells her to call for him and if he's here he'll have to come to her. She does and nothing happens, so she's convinced that Rumple is off in the real world hobbling around in some gutter. But once her back is turned 'Hook' turns into Rumple who now has his dagger back, but his heart is broken.

Regina helps Maleificent kidnap Pinocchio and when they take him to Gold's cabin she learns that Gold is still in town and she watches as he turns Pinocchio back into an enigma wrapped in stubble.

DEATHS
Well Regina fireballs one of King Stephen's guards, but I think he rode off ok if I saw things correctly.
Maleficent roasts Stephen, but his shield protects him and it sounds like he wasn't killed either....so I guess no deaths.

QUOTES
Regina: I said we needed to meet covertly...now I see you brought the entire Charming softball team AND their pirate mascot! ...LOL at least I got one laugh out of this episode. Though I did enjoy the enchanted forest scenes of Rumple tutoring Regina again.
Title: Re: Once Upon a Time Death Count
Post by: Outlast on February 15, 2017, 09:25:32 PM
4.15 Poor Unfortunate Souls
In Neverland past... Ursula hijacks Ariel's story as a Little Mermaid who longs to be human and who's father Poseidon hates humans.

Later Ursula sings to Hook in a tavern and he tells her his life goal is 'making an evil man pay for what he did to the woman I loved' ...am I wrong in thinking this statement inaccurate and I believe at some point Hook even admits that HE was actually the one in the wrong regarding pre-Dark One Rumplestiltskin?

Poseidon offers Hook magic to steal Ursula's singing voice which would make her hate humans just like her dad. Hook does this. 

In Storybrooke Regina and the QoDs threaten August with knives and fire and then Regina possesses Snow to tattle on Gold. Emma immediately goes to Belle as 'the one person who can help us drive him back out.' ...Least surprising comment ever coming here... I still hate season four. I do not understand the character pivots they went for here. They act like Gold is irredeemably evil, yet we know from the first three seasons that that isn't true and they should know it too. The only people I can remember Gold trying to kill in Storybrooke are Regina (who he just found out had kept Belle locked up for 30 years), Hook (who tried to kill Belle what twice? Three times?) and Zelena (who basically murdered his son). Yup real super duper evil of him to go after those three. I may have a bit of rose-colored glass vision about him because he's my favorite character, but I really do think the heroes are full of crap to act like Gold is the worst guy ever while Regina and Hook are lovable heroes in training.

Anyway... Hook gets Ursula to help him raise the Jolly Roger which is now an itty bitty ship in a bottle. Amusing. Wil Scarlett gives him some Wonderland liquid to make the ship big again. Ursula tries to drown Hook in the harbor, but stupid Ariel saves him. Oh she also saved Blackbeard back in the Enchanted Forest.

Gold uses fairy magic to make August woody again and reactivates his lie detecting nose. They talk about the Author subplot for a while. Gold and Regina talk about getting their happy endings.

Emma and Snow rescue August only to get strangled by Ursula's tentacles, but Ariel brings Poseidon back to reunite Ursula and her voice (her happy ending) and she leaves... ONE QoD down ...TWO to go.

So again no deaths. Who's idea was this thread again? lol


4.16 Best Laid Plans
In Enchanted Forest past Snow and Charming continue to fret over the possibility that their child might not be a guaranteed hero and while the touch of a unicorn horn gives Charming a vision of a beautiful happy baby, Snow's vision is of a pissed teenager who rips out her heart. Sounds normal enough to me. lol

On the road they meet a 'peddler' who tells them that Maleficent just laid an egg and sends them towards the infinite forest to meet the Sorcerer's Apprentice who tells them their child's future is still up in the air (as is everyone elses!) and then he tells them about how they can channel their child's potential darkness into another child... gosh this storyline is stupid and wrong. Anyway they knock out Ursula and Cruella and steal the egg even though Maleficent begs them for mercy for her child.  But they don't listen and The Apprentice casts the spell and sends the egg through a portal. Cruella and Ursy fall in after it, which is how they ended up in our world. Again this is really truly completely stupid.

In Storybrooke present  Emma makes a fake page while August seems sick from too many magical transformations and Hook tells Emma that the villains want to darken her heart. Emma rightly points out that no one including the author gets to tell her who she is. But The Charmings are still worried so they spend the episode emoting and trying to cover up their past sins.

Regina tries to fool Gold with a photo of Emma's fake page, but the glare gives away the secret that the page is the magic door and not just an illustration of one. Whoops.

Maleficent puts the town to sleep, except for The Charmings who have both been under a sleeping curse already and thus are immune, as is Henry... who has run off with the page.  His grandparents (the ones he cares about anyway) follow him and get the page, which Henry now has the key for. They want to burn it, but at the last moment they decide to do the 'heroic' thing and confess to Emma who is royally pissed (as she should be!!!)

Gold has a touching heart to heart with (sleeping lol) Belle. Where he tells her his magic comes at a cost and he's accrued so much debt he has to find a way to clear it (before his dark heart pops).

Gold shows Maleificient her child getting adopted 30 years ago and named Lilith. How charming.

August wakes up and tells them there have been many Authors and the one in the book is just the last one and that he decided to manipulate rather than record and how the Apprentice showed up and punished him for 'making' him do that to that child (eggo Lily). They open the door in the page and let out the bad Author who turns out to be (gasp) the peddler they met back in the enchanted forest. dun dun dumb.

Deaths none.

SEASON FOUR DEATHS (16 episodes in)
Ingrid (Snow Queen) - 3
Maleficent 3
Regina (possible) +100
Title: Re: Once Upon a Time Death Count
Post by: Outlast on February 24, 2017, 12:12:40 AM
4.17 Heart of Gold
In fairytale past... we see Robin Hood manning the bar having gone straight after marrying Marion. Rumple shows up and asks him to steal the elixir of the broken heart from Oz. He does. He also explains why his face will be different when Rumple captures him in season two ...handy thing that clover necklace (which he also steals from OZ). But all magic comes with a price and I think we all know what that cost will be.

9 weeks ago... Robin Hood, 'Marion' and Roland Hood move to New York where Regina has given them the keys to Baelfire's apartment, to which she has no right btw, as Gold tells them when he arrives before promptly collapsing while clutching his chest. In the hospital Gold tells Robin that his black heart is killing him and he asks him to get him some elixir of the broken heart for him. He does, but when Rumple drinks it it doesn't help him because 'Marion' switched the vials and then she reveals that she is Zelena and she's been masquerading as Marion using the 6 leaf clover thing from OZ. Oh and she killed Marion. Then she tortures and taunts him until he's at death's door and she makes a deal with him to use the Author to write Zelena a happy ending too and a promise that he'll stop trying to kill her. He blinks his reluctant agreement. Later Robin tries to give Gold the few things left in the apartment of Neil's and Rumple basically tries to talk him into going back to Regina.

In Storybrooke present... The Author joins team Gold and Gold has Regina call Robin and find out the truth about Zelena ...and the unfortunate meatloaf in her oven.
(cue puking sounds from all around OUAT fandom)

QUOTE
Robin Hood: When you steal for yourself that makes you a thief. But when you steal for someone else...that makes you a hero (STRONGLY DISAGREE!!!)

DEATHS
Robin Hood squashes a guard when he arrives in OZ.
Zelena kills Marion Hood

SEASON FOUR DEATHS (17 episodes in)
Ingrid (Snow Queen)  3
Maleficent 3
Robin Hood 1
Zelena 1
Regina (possible) +100


4.18 Sympathy for the De Vil
In the past we meet poor little Cruella whose mommy is horrid and ...oh wait! Strike that reverse it... it was Cruella who was the horrid one all along and she murders her mother via dogs. Cruella makes a coat out of her mother's dogs.

 Isaac the Author writes a twist into her story after she spurns him ...Cruella cannot kill anyone from now on.

In Storybrooke Maleficent demands answers from Cruella about Lily, but after she turns herself into a dragon Cruella is able to put her to sleep with her special animal magnetism powers.

Regina rips out Belle's heart and uses her magical heart animated body to hurt Rumple as deeply as she can. In so doing she learns from Rumple (who thinks he's talking to Belle) about his heart blackening problem and how this could affect everyone when the darkness gets released on the town without the human Rumple underneath to shall we say soften the darkness... knowledge which Regina for reasons I still don't understand chooses NOT to share this vitally important information with anyone! Anyway... Regina walks out of the woods holding Belle's heart and threatens to squeeze it if Rumple doesn't do what she wants. Nice heroism there (eye roll).

Once again it's time for me to state how much I dislike this season of Once.

Cruella kidnaps Henry and Emma force pushes her off a cliff.

DEATHS
Cruella kills her mother... and her father... and her moms other two husbands.
Emma kills Cruella


4.19 Lily
In fairytale past The Apprentice calls up the Sorcerer on his cauldron and complains about The Author.

In Emma's past we see more of her bad relationship with Lily where Lily gets her kicked out of her nice foster home. Lily meets The Apprentice on a bus and he tells her what The Charmings did to her.

In Storybrooke Maleficent asks Emma to help her find her daughter Lilith. Emma realizes she already knows Lily. Emma and Regina travel into our world to find Lily. They do. I don't really care about this storyline.
 
We get more of Belle's disgusting relationship with Will Scarlett. At least her heart is missing when she kisses the little twerp. Anyway Gold tells Will he has to steal back Belle's heart from Regina, which he does and Gold gives it back to Belle.


SEASON FOUR DEATHS (19 episodes in)
Ingrid (Snow Queen)  3
Cruella 4
Maleficent 3
Emma 1
Robin Hood 1
Zelena 1
Regina (possible) +100
Title: Re: Once Upon a Time Death Count
Post by: Outlast on February 25, 2017, 04:31:37 PM
4.20 Mother
In fairytale past...Regina interrupts a wedding feast to kill the groom cause you know it's Daniel's death day and all and it's what he'd have wanted.
Cora shows up at Daniel's grave and offers to help her find her soulmate (Robin Hood), but instead she brings her someone else in a fake tattoo. When he's found out her tells her Cora put him up to it so he could be king and Regina could have a child. Regina puts him the dungeon over a fire, but Cora later waves her hand and says he's home. Regina takes a potion to make her barren. Cora tells her 'the only one standing in the way of your (Regina's) happiness...is you (Regina)'.
 
In Storybrooke... Regina is complaining to Robin Hood about how unfair it is that life always kicks her in the teeth... cause you know Robin just found out that his wife is dead and her murderer is carrying his child, but you know it's all about Regina.

Hook confronts Gold in Granny's to gloat about how he (Gold) will never have his happy ending. After Hook leaves Gold experiences chest pain and he and The Author leave.

Emma brings Lily back to town and Maleficent cries.

Regina escorts Zelena into the coo coo nest cell.

Gold's heart problem gets worse and Regina asks him what's wrong (apparently she's forgotten THIS VITALLY INFORMATION WHICH SHE ALREADY KNEW!). He reminds her about his heart and she says the Dark One can't die to which he replies ominously 'But Rumplestiltskin can', then Rumple warns her that she doesn't want to face the Dark One when there's no one else at home and suggests she doesn't antagonize him. Again Regina does not care what happens to him or the darkness because she'll have her happy ending (via The Author) and she won't care. Regina takes the pen from Rumple who is now too weak to resist and he collapses.

Lily tells her mom she wants to kill the Charmings and she is upset that her mom won't help. Later Regina tries to talk to her, but decides it's too much work and she cuts her with a knife to get some of her blood for ink, which really pisses off Lily who turns into a dragon and her mother has to sooth her.

Regina plans to write Zelena and the baby out of existence, but Robin shows up and she changes her mind.

The Author is annoyed and he writes himself back to Mr. Gold and writes up a new story for us in a book entitled 'Heroes and Villains"...

DEATHS
Regina kills the groom.

SEASON FOUR DEATHS (19 episodes in)
Regina +101
Cruella 4
Ingrid (Snow Queen)  3
Maleficent 3
Emma 1
Robin Hood 1
Zelena 1


4.21 & 22 Operation Mongoose Parts 1 & 2
In 1966 we see our Author Isaac before he got the job. Then we see him get the job (from The Apprentice).

In Storybrook the 'Heroes' gather to try and find a way to stop Gold from being happy. Emma calls in August who tells them they need to find The Apprentice, Hook tells them where he is and Blue frees him from the hat.

In Gold's shop Gold asks The Author why he's helping him since he has the quill and the ink and he doesn't need him (Gold) anymore. The Author says they're a lot alike and he asks about Baelfire and Gold says 'Don't toy with me scribe' he knows even The Author can't bring back the dead, but he can give Rumple good memories of a good life for his son. As The Author writes THE END the town is bathed in light and Henry awakes... alone. ...ok so why did the storybook take everyone including baby Neil and leave Henry behind alone? The only reason that comes to mind is that while the baby was born in Storybrooke, it was conceived in The Enchanted Forest ...hear that kids life begins at conception, not at birth... ONCE is proLife! ...well that or it was for plot convenience. ...Anyway Henry steals a car and drives into another town to find help. At a dinner he sees a book by Isaac Heller titled 'Heroes and Villains' Hmmm. He goes to find Isaac and he ends up inside the new story with Isaac and the book. Isaac ties him up for the ogres to eat.

In the Heroes and Villains story... we see hero Rumple 'The Light One' riding in to save Henry from the ogre. Next Henry runs into bandit Regina and tells her he's her son and that they're trapped in a book, but she doesn't remember so she threatens him with a dagger and asks who sent him. She throws the book copy Henry brought into the fire and all Henry could save was a map from the middle.

Meanwhile The Author gets captured by the dwarves and we get to see Evil Queen Snow and wicked heart controlled henchman Charming. Isaac helps Snow capture Regina, but Robin Hood saves her, then he tells her he's getting married today (to Zelena) and he offers her a job leading the Merry Men. 

Henry appears again and he talks Regina into finding his mom Emma who has been locked up for years in an impenetrable prison, which Henry promptly penetrates with ease using the Wookie prisoner trick and a cowardly deck swabbing milk drinking Hook.

Meanwhile The Light One rides home amidst the cheers of the populace to see his wife Belle and their son baby Neil? ...but look who's waiting for him...Isaac! Isaac tells him he has to kill Regina or his happiness will be over. Light Rumple doesn't believe him and thinks Isaac is a demon sent to corrupt him. Then Isaac tells him who he really is, but Rumple still doesn't seem to believe it.

Snow White kills Doc, 'cause she's evil.

Emma tries to teach Hook to sword fight. In related news Charming kills Hook in a sword fight.

Rumple talks to Belle about his worries and he accidentally chips a teacup! Awwwwww!!

The plan to stop the wedding fails, but Henry becomes the new Author and saves them that way. Later in Storybrooke he wants to use the pen again to bring back his father, but The Apprentice tells him it's not possible and he must write the truth. So Henry snaps the pen. Ok then.

Belle runs into Gold's shop and hurls accusations at him as he dies. Then she has one of her patented change of hearts and says she won't let him die alone. He tells her to leave before the man is gone and only the monster remains. Then Belle runs into the heroes victory party and tells them Gold is dying and the darkness will be released (Seriously Regina should know this already!!!) so they race to Gold and The Apprentice pulls out his dark heart and sends the darkness into the hat which causes his name to disappear from the dagger. Then The Apprentice places a protective spell over Rumple's body. The darkness escapes from the hat which cannot apparently contain so much darkness and it attacks The Apprentice who collapses and tells them to find Merlin.

On the street the darkness is untethered and looking for the darkest heart it can find... it goes for Regina, but Emma uses the dagger and stabs the darkness... and she disappears, leaving the dagger behind now inscribed with the name 'Emma Swan'. ...which is actually a pretty good ending for the season. I just don't think the follow through in season five really fullfilled the promise of those last five minutes in (the otherwise crappy) season four.

DEATHS
Light One Rumple kills on ogre which doesn't count 'cause it's an ogre.
Snow White kills, Charming kills Hook... neither of which count cause this all never happened ok.

SEASON FOUR DEATH TOTAL
Regina +101
Cruella 4
Ingrid (Snow Queen)  3
Maleficent 3
Emma 1
Robin Hood 1
Zelena 1




And with that season four of Once Upon a Time is finally mercifully OVER!!!!!

Cue happy dancing from Outtie!!!!!!!!!!!!
 -Dancekick- -Dancekick- -Dancekick- -Dancekick- -Dancekick-
Title: Re: Once Upon a Time Death Count
Post by: Outlast on February 26, 2017, 07:19:20 AM
One of the many things that has annoyed me about Once in the last 3 seasons is that they seem to forget about Henry being Gold's grandson and they often have Henry acting like Gold is his enemy or just not caring about him or Belle at all. But it turns out there is one good scene from episode 4.2 'White Out' that was deleted in which Henry goes to his grandfather for advice which will lead to the scene at the end of the episode where Henry goes to find Regina and make up with her. It's a real shame that this scene was cut!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lzGZvi5PKjc
btw The Gold/Henry scene is the second deleted scene from White Out so there is a Snow/Regina scene shown first in this clip.

This mini-rant isn't necessarily connected to the clip above, but after struggling through my season 4 re-watch I'm fairly convinced at this point that Regina is the biggest problem in Once. Her redemption arc is laughable in so many ways because the heroes constantly praise her and tell her how much she's changed, while her actual behavior generally remains just as selfish and self-centered as it ever was! She rarely takes any kind of responsibility over her own actions and she constantly blames others for her own actions and choices. Anything bad that happens is all about Regina, even if that bad happens to effect someone else far more than her, it's still all about Regina. I just think the Regina story we see doesn't match the story Emma, Snow, Charming (sometimes Henry and Hook) try to push on us about Regina and how much she's supposedly changed. End rant.

Woo hoo season four re-watch is over!  -Dancekick-

Title: Re: Once Upon a Time Death Count
Post by: Outlast on March 15, 2017, 03:47:36 PM
Whoops got to remember to keep this updated.

6.11 Tougher Than the Rest
OK I don't believe there were any actual deaths here, but I'm still a bit unsure about whether to count the deaths of the wish Charmings. Regina certainly acts like they weren't real, but then Henry wasn't real either and she couldn't hurt him. Plus Robin Hood came back in whatever the heck form this is so I'm kind of leaning towards giving Regina a big fat plus two here.

6.12 Murder Most Foul
Three more notches on Hook's sword hilt for King George's two henchmen and for Papa Charming.

Season Six Death Count (after 12 episodes)
Regina 5
Hook 4
Charming 1
Jafar 1
Jekyll/Hyde 1
Monte 1
Rumple 1
Title: Re: Once Upon a Time Death Count
Post by: Outlast on March 15, 2017, 04:02:19 PM
Back to the oldschool OUAT! btw the only old episodes left to count are now 2.13 Tiny - 2.22 And Straight on 'Til Morning.

2.12 In the Name of The Brother
In a black and white land... we see a very colorful Rumple making a deal with a familiar looking Doctor Frankenstein; gold in exchange for learning how to bring back the dead. So Frankie goes digging for a fresh body and gets his brother shot in the process. Gerhardt dies and when Frank fails to bring him back to life his father walks in on him and disowns him.

Later he does bring his brother back with the help of Rumple and a magical heart from the enchanted forest, but Gerhardt is kind of a monster now so his father gets angry at Frank and then Gerhardt kills their father.  I don't really know if I can award any points for all of this. The deaths of his father and brother are basically Frankenstein's fault, but he doesn't kill them and he didn't want them killed, so I guess no points for Dr. Whale?

In Storybrooke Hook has just frickin' shot Belle in the back and gotten run over by a car for his efforts. Team Charming stops Gold from killing Hook, the heels. Guess its ok for Charming to kill Percival for attacking Regina, but can Gold kill the man who just shot his girlfriend in the back oh, no that would be wrong. I do enjoy that Emma tells the paramedics to tend to the guy in the car first and not Hook. I'm not sure who is taking care of Belle, my best guess is they've already forgotten her. She's walking anyway when they drag her into the hospital later so I have no idea where that bullet hit.

When Gold gets to the hospital Charming won't let him past. Later he comes back while Belle is sleeping and tries to kiss her awake and well...that doesn't turn out well. Stranger danger and all that.

In his hospital room Emma asks a handcuffed Hook where Cora is. I miss this Emma. Hook revels in the knowledge that he hurt Belle and that makes him happy because that hurts Rumple.

They learn the stranger from the car is Greg Mendel and they think he's just a norm. Dr. Whale comes in and tells them the stranger is bleeding internally and he begs Gold to help them. Gold advises they let him die and leaves. Dr. Whale seems hesitant to operate and he is according to Snow White 'drunk off his ass'. He runs off for internal emotional reasons and later Ruby talks Whale into going back to the hospital to operate and the two of them totally have a moment. Whale operates on Greg and saves his life. Greg calls his friend and says 'you won't believe what I saw'. rut roh.

Cora shows up at Gold's shop and is met with hostility, which she counters with the most uncomfortable kiss we'll see on Once until at least season six and also the gift of a magic globe that can help him find his son.

Cora glamours herself as Henry to get Regina out of hiding and they team up.

Gold tries again to help Belle by showing her their chipped cup, which Belle breaks. :( Then Gold uses the globe from Cora to track down Bae who is in New York. He goes to Emma to cash in that favor and the two of them head for New York.  Gold Tells Charmings that if any harm comes to Belle while he's gone (meaning Hook) he'll kill them all.

Deaths - Two, but no points I guess?

Quotes!
Hook: I've no idea where Cora is. She has her own agenda. Let's talk about something I am interested in, my hook. May I have it back? Or is there another...attachment you'd prefer.
Emma: You're awfully chipper for a guy who just failed to kill his enemy, then got hit by a car.
Hook: Well, my ribs may be broken, but everything else is still intact, which is more than can be said for all the other bad days I've had. Plus I did some quality damage to my foe.
Emma: You hurt Belle.
Hook: I hurt his heart. Belle is just where he keeps it. He killed my love. I know the feeling.
Emma: Keep smiling, buddy. He's on his feet, immortal, has magic, and you hurt his girl. If I had to pick dead guy of the year, I'd pick you.


Mr. Gold: Yes. I owe you nothing, Whale. I owe none of you anything. And some of you owe me. So yeah, just "No." Oh, and point of interest? The driver? He saw me throwing some magic. So instead of trying to get him outta here, you better be hoping he dies, because if he doesn't, he's gonna be driving tour buses up and down Main Street. So glad I don't give a damn. (turns around and leaves the group)


Rumplestiltskin: Good evening, Doctor.
Victor: How did you get in here? Who are you?
Rumplestiltskin: (chuckles) Stiltskin. Rumple von Stiltskin.
Victor: (wary) A foreigner?
Rumplestiltskin: What tipped you off? My rosy complexion? Yes, I've seen nothing of your drab little land yet, but I am interested in your work.
Victor: Well, you're a little late. I've been shut down. And I can't bring back dead loved ones anyway, if that's what you're after.
Rumplestiltskin: (laughs, making a dismissive gesture) I think my deceased are best kept where they are, dearie. Thank you very much. No, no, no. My interest is in how you do what you do. You see, where I come from we do things differently. Your land has witchcraft. But it's feeble, neglected stuff. Where I live it's strong and hearty .But—it cannot restore life. If you can do this, I wanna know more and I'm willing to pay. (He opens a sachet. Gold coins fall to the floor, a lot more than would fit into it)
Victor: How did you do that?
Rumplestiltskin: (points at Victor) You're missing the point. (points at the pile of coins on the floor) Money, yours.
Victor: Are you a philanthropist?
Rumplestiltskin: Well, I've been called worse. There's a cost to you. Knowledge. You teach me to wield whatever it is you wield. That is the deal.


Cora: Hello, Rumple. (Mr. Gold turns, startled to see Cora standing by the shop's door)
Mr. Gold: I expected this was just a matter of time. Had hoped you were dead, but hey... disappointment's just part of life. I'm sure we can agree on that.
Cora: (slightly shaking her head) Aw, the crocodile snaps at the little bird. And after I brought you a gift.
Mr. Gold: Yeah, did you bring the antidote, too?
Cora: Oh, Rumple. It's a peace offering.
Mr. Gold: And what do you want for this uh— (looking back at the box) this peace offering?
Cora: My daughter. You were so clever to get her lay the curse so you could come here. You don't need her anymore. Let me try to get her back. And- let us live.
Mr. Gold: And what do I get for my troubles?
Cora: Your son. (Mr. Gold turns to face the box from Cora, and opens it. It resembles a globe, but it is completely blank.) You know what that is, of course.
Mr. Gold: It'll find him... If this one truly is it.
Cora: Darling, I have no reason to cheat you.
Mr. Gold: Anymore.
Cora: I want you to find the one person in this universe who might still love you. After all, I'm doing the same thing.


Dr. Whale: I wanted my name to stand for life. But everybody just thinks it's the name of a monster. (laughs) I guess they're right about that. Rumplestiltskin says that magic has a price, but from where I'm sitting, seems that science does, too. Every time I try to save a life, someone else dies.
Ruby: Hey, yeah. Look, you're Frankenstein. And I'm the werewolf. I ate my boyfriend. Regina thought she was punishing us by erasing who we were, but I think she underestimated how much crap we wanted to forget.


Emma: Wait. Find someone? Who?
Mr. Gold: My son. It has to be today, because every minute I’m here, is a minute closer to me killing Hook. So it’s really best for all concerned if I leave, and you’re going to come with me. Oh, and, um, we have a long history. So know this, and know it to be true. If any harm comes to Belle while I’m gone, I’m killing all of you. I’ll see you at noon.


Season Two DEATH COUNT (12 episodes in)
Cora  -- 101 (+100 Village +1 for Lancelot...but is he dead?)
Charming -- 5 (and this doesn't count the war with King George)
King George/George -- 2
Regina 1 (heart that died in zombie Daniel)
Regina's Guard --- 1
Rumple:  1 (Milah)
Title: Re: Once Upon a Time Death Count
Post by: Outlast on March 15, 2017, 04:04:29 PM
oh and I don't remember where the heart for Gerhardt comes from exactly. I know it's from the episode where they bring Daniel back, but I don't want to look for the info right now so note to self - find out if that heart needs to be a point to somebody.
Title: Re: Once Upon a Time Death Count
Post by: LindaM on March 15, 2017, 06:50:10 PM
Now you know why I hate season 2B so much. 
Title: Re: Once Upon a Time Death Count
Post by: Outlast on March 16, 2017, 04:00:26 PM
2.13 Tiny
In the past we see Tiny and his five giant brothers who get slaughtered by Prince James and Jack the giant whore.

In Storybrooke we open with Gold knocking on Emma's (or should that be Snow's?) door to pick her up for their trip out of town. Turns out Emma had decided to take Henry (and without telling Regina either). Gold is annoyed, but tells her he'll cover all expenses even the new ones. Charming asks Gold to take care of his family (Emma & Henry)...
David: All right, Gold. You're going out there with my family. Just know if anything happens to them—
Mr. Gold: Then you'll what? Cross the town line? And David Nolan will hunt me down in his animal rescue van?
David: I'll be devastated. This isn't a threat. It's a request. Take care of them.
Mr. Gold: I promise no harm will come to your family. After all...we have a deal.

Next Charming goes to Hook to ask about his ship and Cora. Hook uncovers a part of Cora's plan... Tiny; a now shrunken giant.  Tiny attacks Charming thinking he's James and then Tiny escapes.

Ruby chats with Belle. Later Greg comes in and tells her that he saw the magic too.

Emma helps Gold through airport security. Which is actually quite a nice scene for both.

Regina gives Tiny some mushroom to make his bigger and encourages him to kill Charming.

While running through town pursued by a now giant Anton (aka Tiny) Charming and Grumpy have this amusing exchange...
Leroy: So let me get this straight. You got a twin brother?
David: Yeah.
Leroy: His name is James?
David: Right.
Leroy: Well, your name is James.
David: No, actually, it's not.
Leroy: It's "Charming," then?
Mary Margaret: No, that's the nickname I gave him!
Leroy: Hey, hold on. What the hell is your name?
David: David.
Leroy: Your curse name?
David: My real name.
Leroy: What, you're David, James, and Charming? Is David like a middle name?
David: No! It's my name name!
Leroy: You know what? Whatever, I'm gonna call you whatever I damn well please! Is that okay?

Tiny shrinks and crashes into a hole from which Charming improbably rescues him which proves to Tiny that he's a good guy after all.

Later at Granny's he shows them his bean sprout and then he and the dwarves become bean farmers. Which is cute. They even give Anton a pick-ax which gives him the ax-name TINY.

We end on the plane to New York where Gold is looking pretty wigged out about being on a plane/having no magic/worrying about seeing Baelfire again and Emma comforts him.

DEATHS
Five points to Prince James for the dead giants even though it's hard to tell which ones he killed and which Jack killed. James also leaves Jack to die, but I guess that doesn't quite count since I'm sure she was dead anyway.


2.14 Manhattan
In the past we see Rumple and Milah at a time when they were sort of ...happy. Rumple has just signed up to fight in the ogre war.
On the frontlines Rumple is assigned to watch a crate, which contains The Seer, who tells him...
Rumplestiltskin: (gives the Seer water) Here. Slake your thirst, witch, then speak of what you know of my wife.
Seer: She's already with child.
Rumplestiltskin: I'm to be a father?
Seer: Your wife will bear you a son, but your actions on the battlefield will leave him fatherless.
Rumplestiltskin: I'm gonna die? No, no, no. You—You must tell me how I can stop that happening.
Seer: You can't.
Rumplestiltskin: Then I'm done helping you.
Seer: For now. Someday you'll help me again.
Rumplestiltskin: I'll bet Milah isn't even pregnant. You just said that so I would give you water, and now you're trying to trick me into deserting.
Seer: You shall see. Tomorrow. When you see the army ride cows into battle, you will know I speak the truth.
Rumplestiltskin: Cows? And who's going to man the catapults? Milk maids? I have had enough with your fiendish lies.
Seer: There is no escaping it. You will have a son, and your actions will leave him fatherless. (Rumplestiltskin covers the crate again in anger)

Later when he learns they will in fact be riding cows (that is saddles) into battle he tries to talk to The Seer again, but she is missing. So he smashes his leg with a sledgehammer so that he will be sent home.

Once he limps his way home limps home he finds that Milah has already given birth to a son ...and now she hates him. Fun times. Personally I'd rather have a live husband than a dead hero, but I guess I don't live in a fairytale hovel.
Milah: Rumple?
Rumplestiltskin: What's his name?
Milah: Baelfire.
Rumplestiltskin: A strong name! (Rumplestiltskin collapses in pain)
Milah: Something he'll need if he's to live with the shame of being your son.
Rumplestiltskin: What are you talking about?
Milah: Rumple, is it true?
Rumplestiltskin: Is what true?
Milah: Did you injure yourself... so that you wouldn't have to fight? So that you would be sent home?
Rumplestiltskin: Who told you that?
Milah: Everyone. Rumors travel quickly from the front. Rumple did you do this to yourself? Did you do it to yourself?!
Rumplestiltskin: Yes! A seer told me I was going to die in the battle.
Milah: You did this because a seer told you to do it?
Rumplestiltskin: She was right about everything else. I left the front to be with you... you and... Baelfire.
Milah: You left because you were afraid. You became what everyone thought you were—a coward.
Rumplestiltskin: Stop.
Milah: Just like your father!
Rumplestiltskin: I am nothing like my father. He tried to abandon me. I will never, ever do that to my son. That's why I did this-- (he points at his leg) for him. All for the boy. To save him from the same fate I suffered, growing up without a father.
Milah: You sentence him to a fate much worse—growing up as your son.
Rumplestiltskin: What? What else could I do?
Milah: You could have fought, Rumple. You could have died.
Rumplestiltskin: You don't mean that. You don't mean that. (Milah hands Baelfire to Rumplestiltskin. She then walks out the door, angrily) Oh. Oh, it's all right, Bae. It's all right. Your papa's here. And I promise... I will never... ever leave you.

In New York... Gold and Emma find Baelfire, now calling himself Neal and SURPRISE! He's Henry's father. But of course he doesn't know that and he does not want to talk to his father either.
So Emma calls home to get advice from her mom:
Mary Margaret: Wait. Gold's son is Henry's father?
Emma: I know. I know. And the millions of questions you have, I have, too. The problem is it doesn't matter right now because I don't know what to do.
Mary Margaret: Please tell me you're not calling to ask me to tell you to keep it from him.
Emma: Henry thinks his father is dead. I told him that for a reason. I wanna protect him.
Mary Margaret: No matter what this man did, Henry has a right to know who his father is. The truth about your parents—Emma, you of all people should know how important that is.
Emma: I don't want Henry to get hurt. I just want to protect him.
Mary Margaret: Are you sure this is about protecting Henry and not yourself?

And Gold and Henry have this conversation:
Henry: Why are you so nervous? When I found my mom, I was excited.
Mr. Gold: Because I have the benefit of a little more... life experience. I know that things don't always happen the way we want them to.
Henry: Sure, but in my book, it says that you can see the future. Why can't you just look and see what's gonna happen?
Mr. Gold: Well, that ability is complicated. I didn't always have it. And then when I did... well... it's maybe not the gift one would expect. Seeing the inevitable... can be a terrible price.
Henry: But you wouldn't have to worry about stuff. You'd just know.
Mr. Gold: But that's the great trap. The future... is like a puzzle... with missing pieces—Difficult to read. And never, never what you think. (The door opens. Emma enters.)

And we get this conversation that I love and adore between Snow and Charming:
David: So Rumplestiltskin is Henry's grandfather?
Mary Margaret: Apparently.
David: But I'm his grandfather.
Mary Margaret: You can have more than one.
David: (he sighs) So his... step-grandmother is Regina, the Evil Queen.
Mary Margaret: Actually, his step-great-grandmother. And she's also his adoptive mother.
David: (he sighs again) It's a good thing we don't have Thanksgiving in our land, 'cause that dinner would suck.

Rumple breaks into 'Neal' apartment and finally gets to meet Neal, who yells a lot. Rumple realizes that Emma and Neal know each other. Henry walks in and the whole story eventually comes out.

Meanwhile after finding out from Cora and Regina that Rumple has left town and is now vulnerable without magic. Cora and Regina use the Dark One's absence to look for his dagger.

Regina visits Belle to gloat and to try and find out if she knows where the dagger is. She knocks her out and searches her bag magically (which Greg is filming) and finds a clue. Team evil (Cora, Regina and Hook) head for the library where they find a map to buried treasure. After using him for his map expertise the Mills ladies double-cross Hook and toss him into a bookshelf as they leave to dig up the dagger without him.

And we end with famous Seer scene:
SCENE: Enchanted Forest. Past. Approximately fourteen years after Rumplestiltskin returned home from the battlefront. Rumplestiltskin is walking alone through the forest. The Seer, now older, appears from behind a tree.
Seer: I've been expecting you.
Rumplestiltskin: Then you know exactly why I came here.
Seer: What I foretold during the ogres war has finally come to pass.
Rumplestiltskin: Well, in a manner of speaking. I, uh, hobbled myself on the battlefield, was branded a coward. My wife ran way and left me. Then my son was called to the front. Oh! Then I became the Dark One... Then Bae left me. So, yes, my actions of the battlefield left my son fatherless. But... it would've been nice to know about all that pesky detail.
Seer: Knowing would not have made a difference. You still would have been powerless to escape your fate.
Rumplestiltskin: (he giggles) Just... like... you. (He begins to magically choke the Seer) Now you know exactly why I came here.
Seer: (in a strained voice) You want to find your son.
Rumplestiltskin: Indeed. (He releases the Seer from his magic grip)
Seer: (in a whisper) You will... find him.
Rumplestiltskin: (angrily) How? And this time don't leave out a single detail.
Seer: It will not be an easy path. It will take many years... and require a curse. A curse... powerful enough to rip everyone from this land.
Rumplestiltskin: Yes, yes, there's more. I know it. Tell me.
Seer: You will not cast the curse. Someone else will. And you will not break the curse. Someone else... will.
Rumplestiltskin: Tell me!
Seer: (exhausted) I don't know. Even my powers have limits.
Rumplestiltskin: Ah-ah-ah. Not good enough, dearie. (He begins to magically choke her again)
Seer: (in a strained voice) If you want to see the path you must take, there is only one way. (She extends her hands) Take this burden from me.
Rumplestiltskin: Mm-mm gladly. (He grasps her hands and takes her ability. She screams in pain.)
Rumplestiltskin: I can't... see... anything. It's too much. It's nothing but a jumble.
Seer: The future is a puzzle with many pieces to be sorted. In time, you will learn to separate what can be from what will be. (Rumplestiltskin lets go of the Seer. The Seer falls to the ground) Aah!
Rumplestiltskin: This is why you wanted to give me your power—To free yourself from this torment.
Seer: In time, you will work it all out. (Rumplestiltskin backs away. The Seer raises her hand) Wait. As gratitude, I offer you one piece of the puzzle. You will be reunited with your son, and it will come in a most unexpected way.
Rumplestiltskin: (frustrated) How?
Seer: A boy... a young boy will lead you to him. But beware, Rumplestiltskin, for that boy is more than he appears. He will lead you to what you seek. But there will be a price. The boy... will be your undoing. (She passes out)
Rumplestiltskin: Then I'll just have to kill him.

DEATHS - 1 The Seer

Season Two DEATH COUNT (14 episodes in)
Cora  -- 101 (+100 Village +1 for Lancelot...but is he dead?)
Charming -- 5 (and this doesn't count the war with King George)
Prince James 5 giants
King George/George -- 2
Rumple:  2 (Milah) (The Seer)
Regina 1 (heart that died in zombie Daniel)
Regina's Guard --- 1
Title: Re: Once Upon a Time Death Count
Post by: Outlast on March 19, 2017, 09:18:49 PM
6.13 Ill-Boding Patterns
Bae/Rumple killed (a highly nasty) Beowolf
Rumple de-magic'd Blue, but it appears she lives so all points still pending.

I don't think anyone else died in this episode that we can give points for. Beowolf killed those villagers to frame Rumple and I don't need to give point to one episode people. Rumple killed ogres, who don't count and ogres killed a bunch of soldiers and again ogres don't count.
Title: Re: Once Upon a Time Death Count
Post by: Outlast on March 25, 2017, 03:58:07 PM
2.15 The Queen is Dead
In fairytale past we see Snow White being a bit of a brat and her mother teaching her a lesson. We meet her servant Johanna. And we watch Snow's mother Eva die slowly from Cora's poison. Oh and Snow goes to Blue Fairy (who is really Cora in disguise) for help and she gives her a certain candle, which I'm sure in no way will turn up in the next episode to awesome effect. Ah, the irony of Cora handing Snow the very candle Snow would later use to kill her. Oops... spoilers.

In Storybrooke... Snow White finds Johanna and they have a tearful reunion and then Cora kills Johanna by tossing her out of the clock tower. But I'm getting ahead of things.

In other storylines... Hook attacks David with a fishing hook in order to get back his own hook. Then he travels to New York by ship and stabs magic-less Rumple in the chest with his poison tipped hook, but again I'm getting ahead of myself.

Snow catches Regina and Cora digging in the woods and overhears Cora promise to use the dagger (when they find it) to order the Dark One to kill anyone she (Regina) likes (which from what I can gather means Snow, David and Emma). Snow finds David lying on the floor in the Sheriff's Office and she wakes him up and tells him about The Mills girls evil plans.

In New York... Neal and Henry bond over pizza. Emma and Rumple bond over their newfound common ground and Rumple totally tries to set up Emma and Neal to get back together.

Hook stabs Rumple in the chest, and Neal, who mysteriously recognizes Hook and knows how to sail a ship, helps them sail back to Storybrook in The Jolly Roger to find some magic to save his father and it is revealed that Neal is now engaged to lovely lady named Tamara who I'm sure is perfectly normal.

Emma gets Rumple to tell her where the dagger is and she foolishly calls the two idiots and tells them. They go and get it hidden on one of the clock tower hands, which makes it a lot easier for Cora and Regina since all they had to do was follow them. The Mills girls poof Johanna up to the clock tower and Regina rips out her heart and says give us the dagger or we kill her. After lots of agonizing looking hearts squeezes for poor innocent Johanna. Snow hands over the dagger and then they kill Johanna anyway. Nice going there team Charming. Snow finally realizes that Cora killed her mother and she vows to killer Cora.

QUOTES

Emma: So do you like New York pizza?
Henry: Yeah. It's delicious, cheesy, and it doesn't lie.   

Mary Margaret: Lucky for you, you've earned enough good will with me to give you one last chance, a chance to choose the right side... the side of good.
Regina: Have you ever considered that maybe, perhaps... I am good? I was always the Queen. It was you who added "Evil" to my name.
Mary Margaret: Good doesn't do what you do. Why? Regina, why go back to being this way after how hard you tried?
Regina: And what did it get me? Dinner with a bunch of hypocrites who pretend they'll forgive me, when... in their hearts, they know... they never will. You're giving me the chance? How about I give you one? Stay out of my way. (She gets up to leave)

Regina to Snow after Cora kills Johanna: Well, there you go. You see where good gets you? (Regina and Cora disappear in a puff of smoke. Mary Margaret dissolves into sobs in David's arms)

Cora: You're worried my interests are no longer aligned with yours.
Regina: My only interest now is Henry.
Cora: And I've told you, you'll have him.
Regina: But how? Now that Mary Margaret and David know we have the dagger, we can't use Gold to kill them without Henry finding out.
Cora: Have patience, my love. By the time Rumplestiltskin returns, Emma Swan and the rest of them will be nothing more than a vaguely unpleasant memory. And Henry will be yours.

DEATHS
Princess Eva is killed by Cora
Johanna is killed by Cora

2.16 The Miller's Daughter
In fairytale past... we meet a young miller's daughter named Cora. Cora hates her life and wants to be royal. She tells the king she can spin straw into gold and he locks her up and tells she has to do it or he'll kill her. Rumple shows up to help her... for her firstborn child. She wants to learn how to do magic and then things gets flirty and Rumple alters the deal to give him his child. They talk about running away together, but Cora double-crosses him and rips out her own heart so that she can marry the king's son (Henry Sr....curiously tall in the past) and become royalty.

In Storybrooke... Regina and Cora have The Charmings phone tapped so they now know that Gold is being rushed back to Storybrooke and when Cora looks at the dagger she sees that Rumple's name is fading away and she says QUOTE...
Cora: He's dying. When his name disappears, all of that power of his will just boil off into the air and then there will be no new Dark One.
So the power will just boil off and not turn into black ribbons and go after a new host? So I guess either Cora or the Once writer's don't know what they're talking about. But I digress.

Cora tells Regina that now she has no choice, she (Cora) must stab Rumple and become The Dark One herself. Regina questions whether this was her plan all along and not as she told her to help Regina get Henry all to herself.

The Jolly Roger arrives home and Henry tells his grandpa (the healthy one) that his dad taught him how to sail. David asks Gold if Cora was controlling him yet to which Gold humorously replies:
Mr. Gold: Well, you'd know if she was, because most of you would be dead by now.
Yup. Then they send Henry away with Ruby for his own safety while they head for Rumple's shop where he has magic that might protect them.

Gold has Emma fetch some invisible chalk and instructs her to chalk around the doorways to protect the shop. Gold asks Snow for a warmer blanket and she sees the candle. Dun dun DUN!
Mary Margaret: You're not getting any better, are you?
Mr. Gold: The candle can save me. There's nothing else.
Mary Margaret: I wouldn't use this to save my own mother. What makes you think I would use it for you?
Mr. Gold: Because you're all grown up now. And for once, our interests are aligned.
Mary Margaret: She dies instead of you.
Mr. Gold: I know you can do this. I know you want to do this.
Mary Margaret: There's no coming back from murder.
Mr. Gold: And there's no coming back from death either. And that's what will happen to your loved ones.
Gold teaches Emma that magic comes from emotion and she raises a protection spell herself.

Regina and Cora approach the shop and easily knock down the barrier with a double fireball. Snow sneaks out the back door and heads for Regina's vault. Inside Regina readies a fireball and magic tosses David out the door, closing it behind him. Emma catches Regina and holds a knife to her throat, while Neal manages to knock the dagger out of Cora's hand. Neal advises Cora to choose wisely (between reaching down to retrieve the dagger and saving Regina) she chooses the dagger and Emma shoves Regina into Cora so that she and Neal can fall back to the backroom where Gold in. Emma raises another magical barrier. Cora senses someone has her heart and she sends Regina to fetch it while she tries to break down the new barrier between her and Gold.

In Regina's vault Snow finds Cora's heart and she gets out the candle and curses the heart. Regina catches Snow in the heart vault and Snow gives her her mother's heart and tells her that Cora can't love Regina without her heart and she convinces Regina to put the heart back inside her mother. That's some seriously heart blackening stuff right there.

Rumple knows he's dying so he calls Belle and I cry. He and Bae make up a little bit and hold hands.

David runs up to a cowering Snow and asks her, 'what did you do?!'

Cora breaks into the backroom and sends Neal and Emma away with a wave of her hand. She walks up to dying Rumple and they chat a bit...
Mr. Gold: A vision told me about you. Told me this day would come. But it didn’t tell me everything. Didn’t tell me what I really wanted to know.
Cora: And what’s that?
Mr. Gold: Did you ever love me?
Cora: Why do you think I had to rip my own heart out? (Cora strokes Mr. Gold's face.) You were my weakness. You were the only man I ever truly loved. (Lifting the dagger, which now only has one letter left on it, she braces herself to stab Mr. Gold with it but instead jolts forward, dropping it. Standing behind her is Regina, who has just inserted her mother's heart. The two smile at each other.)

Cora smiles at her daughter and laughs and then she collapses and dies as Gold rises, fully recovered in an instant. Gold picks up his dagger and watches as mother and daughter share one final moment...
Cora: This would have been enough. You... You would have been enough. (Cora stops talking and her eyes shut.)
Regina: Mother? What’s going on? Mother. Don’t leave me, please. What am I going to do?
Mr. Gold: Your mother did you no favours.
Regina: Shut up! You stole her life! You cast some spell.
Mr. Gold: I did nothing.
Mary Margaret: (A frantic Mary Margaret rushes into the room with David trailing behind her.) Regina! Stop!
Regina: You did this.
Regina stares at Snow White in hatred as we fade to black. ...WOW! What an episode!
 :clap:

QUOTES

Emma: You don't look comfortable.
Mr. Gold: The poison racing towards my heart will have that effect.
Emma: Tell me about this, uh... knife of yours. Cora and Regina, if they do have it, they can make you do anything?
Mr. Gold: Indeed.
Emma: Like, kill us all?
Mr. Gold: Yeah. You're hoping I bleed to death now, aren't you?
Emma: You're Henry's grandfather. We're family now. I'm gonna save you.
Mr. Gold: Oh, I feel so reassured

SCENE: Storybrooke. Present. Mr. Gold's shop. Emma uses the invisible chalk to draw a line.
Neal: Missed a spot.
Emma: You're hilarious.
Neal: I didn't know you were magical.
Emma: Oh, my. Are you being judgy about this? 'Cause you're not allowed to have opinions about surprises, Mr Son-of-Rumplestiltskin.
Rumplestiltskin: (Giggles) No, I want you to help me. And you will. Because the future is my gift. Well, in a manner of speaking.
Cora: What could you possibly get from me?
Rumplestiltskin: Funny you should ask. (Summons up a contract.) Can you read?
Cora: My firstborn child?
Rumplestiltskin: She is quite important.
Cora: She?
Rumplestiltskin: Yes, I see the future, weren't you listening? Anyway, I only get my payment if you live past tomorrow.
Cora: You can turn all of this straw into gold by morning?
Rumplestiltskin: And you can parade in front of the royals and demand the hand of dimly-lit prince and have them kneel before you. That's what you want, eh? You want them to kneel...
Cora: No!
Rumplestiltskin: I... No. What?
Cora: Teach me. Don't just do it. Teach me. Make it part of our deal.
Rumplestiltskin: (Giggles) You are a spicy one, aren't you? Oh, well. Rumplestiltskin.
Cora: What?
Rumplestiltskin: My name. Do believe you just earned it. (He magically changes the contract.) Now, let's begin.


Cora: Royal brides have to be snow white.
Rumplestiltskin: (giggles) Well, when you see the future, there is irony everywhere.
Cora: You know, I thought I wanted this. White and bright, all the admiration. But then I look at it. Fifth in line to be queen? That won't happen without an awful lot of bloodshed. And what you give me.
Rumplestiltskin: I can give you nothing but darkness and isolation.
Cora: And love.
Rumplestiltskin: Yeah. And love.
Cora: I want that.
Rumplestiltskin: What if I, um... What if I, uh... amended our contract? Instead of you owing me some random firstborn child, you owe me my child?
Cora: I can make that deal.
Rumplestiltskin: As can I.

Neal: It's getting weaker. She's gonna get through.
Mr. Gold: Maybe it's for the best. At least this cursed power will pass from this world.
Neal: No. No, you're not dying.
Mr. Gold: I am dying. That much is certain. I need to talk to Belle. Emma, please.
Neal: Who's Belle?
Emma: Your dad's girlfriend.
Belle: (In the hospital, Belle answers the phone.) Mr. Gold, I... I told you before, I... I don't remember you.
Mr. Gold: I... I... I know, I know. It's just, uh... Sweetheart, I am dying.
Belle: Oh. I'm, uh... I'm... I'm so sorry.
Mr. Gold: I know that you're confused about who you are. So I'm going to tell you. You are a hero who helped your people. You're a beautiful woman who loved an ugly man. Really, really loved me. You find goodness in others, and when it's not there, you create it. You make me wanna go back. Back to the best version of me. That never happened before. So when you look in the mirror and you don't know who you are... That's who you are. (Belle and Mr. Gold both cry.) Thank you, Belle.
Neal: Didn't know you had that in you.
Mr. Gold: Oh, I am full of love. I've spent a lifetime looking for you. For a chance to say I love you. And I'm sorry.
Neal: I didn't think you would go back on our deal.
Mr. Gold: I just made the wrong choice. (Gold reaches his hand out to Neal.) May I?
Neal: I'm still angry.
Mr. Gold: I know. (Neal grabs his dad's hand.)


Regina: You have no right to be here. And you have no right to that!
Mary Margaret: I was going to give it to you.
Regina: What?
Mary Margaret: She can't love you, you know. She doesn't have her heart. With it, maybe she can. That's why you've never felt she loved you. She doesn't have her heart. But I do.
Regina: You're doing this for me?
Mary Margaret: Think about it. What would happen if Cora had her heart back? Back inside her?
Regina: She told me she took it out to protect herself.
Mary Margaret: And did it work? The person she was before, do you think that person survived? She can't love, so she can't love you.
Regina: She always wanted the best for me. That's love.
Mary Margaret: Imagine real love. You'd have a mother, and a start on making a family Henry could be a part of. Or you could have her be the Dark One. The choice is yours.

DEATHS
Snow White kills Cora

Season Two DEATH COUNT (15 episodes in)
Cora  -- 102 (+100 Village +2 Johanna, Princess Eva)
Charming -- 5 (and this doesn't count the war with King George)
Prince James 5 giants
King George/George -- 2
Rumple:  2 (Milah) (The Seer)
Regina 1 (heart that died in zombie Daniel)
Regina's Guard --- 1
Snow White -- 1 (Cora)
Title: Re: Once Upon a Time Death Count
Post by: Outlast on March 25, 2017, 04:03:47 PM
Well at least watching The Miller's Daughter reminded me how great Once can be when it actually tries. Man that is a great episode. Speaking of great episodes... here's a not great one...

6.13 Ill-Boding Patterns

Ok fine. One highly contested point to Baelfire for killing Beowulf.

Season Six Death Count (after 13 episodes)
Regina 5
Hook 4
Charming 1
Jafar 1
Jekyll/Hyde 1
Monte 1
Rumple 1
Baelfire 1 (highly contested!)



Title: Re: Once Upon a Time Death Count
Post by: Outlast on March 26, 2017, 09:06:25 PM
6.14 Page 23
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DEATHS
Regina kills one of her guards.

Season Six Death Count (after 14 episodes)
Regina 6
Hook 4
Charming 1
Jafar 1
Jekyll/Hyde 1
Monte 1
Rumple 1
Baelfire 1 (highly contested!)
Title: Re: Once Upon a Time Death Count
Post by: Outlast on March 29, 2017, 08:51:45 AM
2.17 Welcome to Storybrooke
In Storybrooke past (now that's a change-up)... Regina enjoys her cursed town at first but she quickly gets bored with the repetitive and somewhat phony nature of everything until two strangers come into town and she falls in mom love with the little boy Owen, who as we know becomes 'Greg' the stranger who drove into town a few episodes ago. But Owen's dad Kurt Flynn isn't too keen on Regina's offer to move to Storybrooke... so she kills him offscreen.

I don't really have a lot to say about this episode. I enjoyed it.

QUOTES
Mr. Gold: Black always was your color.
Regina: I'm here to bury my mother. So if you've come to gloat..
Mr. Gold: I came to pay my respects. We had our differences, but Cora will always have a place in my heart.
Regina: You killed her to save your own life.
Mr. Gold: Sadly, desperate times call for desperate measures.
Regina: Like getting Mary Margaret to trick me into killing my own mother? You may be able to hide behind your dagger, but she can't. She's going to die for what she did.
Mr. Gold: Oh, come on. We both know killing her will cost you the thing you want most - Henry. Why don't you just give up this obsession with vengeance? You know it can never make you happy.
Regina: Yes, it will.
Mr. Gold: You had a whole curse worth of vengeance, and what did it get you? A gaping hole in your heart.
Regina: That was your curse.
Mr. Gold: Which you cast. Still haven't learned your lesson, have you?
Regina: What lesson?
Mr. Gold: The same one your mother learned a long time ago. You can't have everything. She wanted power, ripped out her own heart to get it. You want vengeance? Henry's the price you'll pay. Time to cut your losses.
Regina: Never. I will have my son, and I will have my vengeance. I will find a way to have everything.

Mr. Gold: She's (Emma's) right. Cora was dangerous because she didn't have a heart. Regina is even more dangerous because she does.

Emma: (She walks back over to Neal. Henry is not at the table.) How did it go?
Neal: Went good. He said yes.
Emma: Seriously?
Neal: Yeah, he's in the bathroom right now. I'm just gonna go home and pack. Not bad for day three as a dad if I do say so myself.
Emma: Wait, where's his backpack?
Neal: I don't know, he took it with him.
Emma: To the bathroom? Did you really fall for that? He's YOUR son.
Neal: (with realization) He's running.

SCENE: Storybrooke. Present. Mary Margaret's apartment. Regina walks up the stairs and uses magic to open the door to the apartment. She heads toward Mary Margaret.
Mr. Gold: (Steps in front of Regina) Nice try dearie. Did you really think it was going to be that easy?
Regina: (To Mary Margaret) He can't be your guard dog forever. (Leaves)
Regina: Yes. And once you blacken your heart, it only grows darker. And darker. Trust me. I know.
Mary Margaret: So crush it. Do it. Crush it. Get it over with.
Regina: And put you out of your misery? I don't need to destroy you. You're doing it to yourself. And along the way, you'll bring down that perfect little family you fought so hard to reunite. And then Henry will be mine.
Mary Margaret: Please kill me. Please just kill me.
Regina: You see, I can have everything. (She replace Mary Margaret's heart.) Thanks to you. Now get off my porch. (She goes inside and slams the door.)

DEATHS
Kurt Flynn is killed off-screen by Regina. Although we never see it, it is confirmed by Regina at some point.


2.18 Selfless, Brave and True

Wherein we see just how badly wrong August went in our world and we watch Snow being a total badass with a bow in the forest.

In 2011 August wakes up and he is starting to turn to wood. Doctors can't help him because they don't see anything wrong with his leg. He needs magic so he finds a person named The Dragon where we see dun dun DUN... that Tamara is also there. The Dragon asks him for an item of great value and August gives him his necklace, the string of which animated him as a boy puppet and The Dragon also requires 10,000 dollars in cash, which he steals from Tamara a woman he believes to be suffering from cancer. Later when he goes back to The Dragon with Tamara's cash, he receives a vial of magic, which Tamara tries to take from him since he stole her money. She gets the magic and August cries in the gutter.

Later Tamara comes back and 'kills' The Dragon him with a magic taser.

In Storybrooke August is a woodpile of failure living in a trailer in the woods when a depressed from killing Cora Snow finds him and tells him to stop feeling sorry for himself, a sentiment that could easily apply to Snow as well.

Regina finally connects the dots and realizes that Greg is actually Owen come back to find his father. Regina plays dumb and claims his father left town right after Owen.

Geppetto confesses to Snow about how he sent August to this world in place of her, making the Blue Fairy say that the magic wardrobe could hold only one. Snow slaps him and then apologizes profusely. 

Neal's fiancée Tamara comes to town and awkwardness ensues. Neal/Bae being one of more truthful, non secret keeping people in town tells Tamara the truth about where he comes from and Tamara freaks. But it's all an act as Tamara heads strait to August's trailer where she offers him what's left of The Dragon's magic vial if he leaves right away to retrieve it from New York. August leaves, but as he's driving out of Storybrooke he changes his mind and he tries to call Emma to warn her, but Tamara somehow finds him before he can finish that call and she then 'kills' August with the magic taser. But Blue Fairy is able to make him a little boy again.

A few months/weeks in the past we see August talking to Neal. He's going to storybrooke to help Emma break the curse and he says he'll send Neal a postcard when the curse is broken. We learn the truth of how Tamara met Neal... is was all a setup.

And we end with Tamara showing up at Greg's door for a make-out session while Neal is in the shower. Yuck.

DEATHS
None that we can give a point for. August doesn't really die and neither as we learn in season 5/6 does The Dragon.

Season Two DEATH COUNT (18 episodes in)
Cora  -- 102 (+100 Village +2 Johanna, Princess Eva)
Charming -- 5 (and this doesn't count the war with King George)
Prince James 5 giants
King George/George -- 2
Rumple:  2 (Milah) (The Seer)
Regina 2 (heart that died in zombie Daniel/Kurt Flynn)
Regina's Guard --- 1
Snow White -- 1 (Cora)
Title: Re: Once Upon a Time Death Count
Post by: Outlast on April 03, 2017, 06:28:35 PM
6.15 A Wondrous Place
DEATHS - Jafar kills random Prince Stickface and he is in return killed by Jasmine in the same manner.

Season Six Death Count
(after 15 episodes)
Regina 6
Hook 4
Charming 1
Jafar 2
Jasmine 1 (Jafar)
Jekyll/Hyde 1
Monte 1
Rumple 1
Baelfire 1 (highly contested!)
Title: Re: Once Upon a Time Death Count
Post by: Outlast on April 04, 2017, 02:42:27 PM
2.19 Lacey
We open with Henry's birthday party where his grandpa Gold offers him anything in the shop, he chooses a wand and grandpa turns him into porcelain and shatters him... then he wakes up because it was just Gold's nightmare.

In the past - Belle's crying is interfering with Rumple's spinning so he gives her a pillow.
Rumplestiltskin: When you so eagerly agreed to come and work for me, I assumed you wouldn't miss your family quite so much.
Belle: I made my sacrifice for them. Of-of course I miss them, you beast!
Rumplestiltskin: Yes, yes, of course. But the crying must stop. Night after night! It's making it very difficult for me to spin. You know, I do my best thinking then. (creates a pillow) Perhaps this'll help?
Belle: For me?
Rumplestiltskin: Not quite so beastly now, am I?
Belle: Thank you. Maybe now I can actually get some sleep.
Rumplestiltskin: No, no, no. It's not to help you sleep, dearie. It's to muffle the cries so I can get back to work!

Old Robin Hood breaks in (glamoured to have a different face thanks to the Oz necklace retcon from season 4) and gets captured by Rumple.
SCENE: The Enchanted Forest. Past. Dark Castle. Belle is sweeping the floor while the Thief is heard screaming in the background.
Rumplestiltskin: I'm gonna need another apron.
Belle: Uh, they're uh... They're on the line drying. It'll be some time.
Rumplestiltskin: Fine, fine. Get to cleaning this one as well. (removes bloody apron.) I'll be back later.
Belle: All this because he tried to steal a magic wand?
Rumplestiltskin: No, because he tried to steal from me. The Dark One. You try that, you get skinned alive. Everyone knows that.
Belle: Actually, no, They don't.
Rumplestiltskin: Well they will after they discover the body. (giggles and walks away.)
Anyway... Belle let's Robin go and when Rumple finds out he brings Belle with him as he hunts Robin Hood down.
SCENE: The Enchanted Forest. Past. Dark Castle. Rumplestiltskin sharpens the tools that he plans to kill the thief with.
Rumplestiltskin: I'll try not to be too loud. Can't promise the same courtesy from our prisoner. (He leaves the room.) Belle! (Enters the room again.) Where is he?
Belle: Gone. I let him go.
Rumplestiltskin: What? He was a thief.
Belle: Which doesn't give you the right to kill him.
Rumplestiltskin: It gives me every right. Oh, let me guess. You think he's a hero? Stealing from me for some noble cause? You read too many books, dearie! There. (He makes Belle's book disappear) Maybe that'll stop filling your head with poisonous thoughts!
Belle: I didn't free him because of what I read in my books. I saw good in him. That man only wanted to escape with his life.
Rumplestiltskin: Oh, is that what you thought? Our thief escaped with more than his life. (The place where the wand had been no longer holds it.) You were tricked, you foolish, gullible girl!
Belle: There must be an explanation. We don't know why he needed that wand.
Rumplestiltskin: He took the wand because he wanted magic! People who steal magic never have good intentions!
Belle: No! No! You can't tell what's in a person's heart until you truly know them.
Rumplestiltskin: Oh, we'll see what's in his heart, all right. When I shoot an arrow straight through it. And because I am a showman, it'll be with his bow. And because this is your fault, you get to come with me and watch, and know, as the blood drips from his carcass, it will be you and your rags to wipe it up.

Along the way they run into The Sherriff of Nottingham who tries to bargain for a few minutes alone with Belle... so Rumple rips out his tongue and only gives it back when Nottingham is scared enough that he'll talk. He tells them where they can find Robin. But when they find Robin, Rumple sees that his wife is ill and pregnant (that was why he stole the wand) and he purposefully misses his shot and lets them go. Belle starts to fall in love with him a little. He gives her a new room to clean...A LIBRARY!!!!!!

In Storybrooke Gold gets the pleasure of telling Regina that they're family now.
SCENE: Storybrooke. Present. A park. Neal and Henry are sword fighting while Mr. Gold watches on. Regina Mills approaches Mr. Gold.
Regina: Seems like we both have been pushed to the side lines.
Mr. Gold: What are you doing here?
Regina: The real question is what's your son doing with mine?
Mr. Gold: Oh that... (turns towards Regina.) That's right, you didn't get the birth announcement, did you? That's Henry's father.
Regina: What?
Mr.Gold: Do I have to spell it out for you? Miss Swan and my son-
Regina: (Interrupting.) You're Henry's grandfather?
Mr. Gold: Guess that makes us family! He's got my eyes, don't you think? (walks away from Regina)
Regina: You did this!
Mr. Gold: Trust me, dearie, it was as much a shock to me as it is to you.
Regina: No! You must have known! When I adopted him, it was you who procured him for me. You expect me to believe that that was a coincidence?
Mr. Gold: No, not coincidence. Fate. And apparently, fate has a sense of humor.

Moving on to the meat of the episode - Gold goes to visit Belle in the hospital and he agrees to help her get her memory back.  Later Regina comes in and 'thoughtfully' gives Belle back her memories. Her cursed memories that is. Now she knows herself as Lacey the barfly. Gold comes back to collect her and finds her gone. He uses the match book Regina gave her to track her to The Rabbit Hole; a 'vile joint'. Where Belle, now 'Lacey' is playing pool and guzzling beer in slutty clothes. Gold is appalled and he leaves to confront Regina who basically crows over it and threatens to tell Baelfire if he tries to hurt her.

He goes to Charming for love advice;
Mr. Gold: Is this seat taken? You might want to run along. I need to chat to the Prince.
David: It's all right, Leroy. I got this. (Leroy leaves.) What do you want to chat about, Gold?
Mr. Gold: Regina. She helped jog Belle's memory.
David: That's good, then.
Mr. Gold: No, no. Wrong memories. She now thinks she's a scantily-clad barfly named Lacey. She has a false life. As you did, under the curse with Kathryn. Only hers apparently involves a lot more alcohol.
David: What do you want with me?
Mr. Gold: I want to know how you did it. Even when both your heads were filled with false memories, David Nolan still won Mary Margaret's heart.
David: You want me to help you?
Mr. Gold: Well, I'm certainly not here for the over-praised lasagna. (Granny turns around and looks to Mr. Gold.)
David: You got my wife to murder someone.
Mr. Gold: Someone who would have killed all of you. Look, if you don't want to help, that's fine. But if you do, for the first time ever, I'm gonna owe you a favour.

Gold and Charming head for the Rabbit Hole and Charming helps Gold try to charm Lacey... who agrees to go on a date with him.
David: Not bad, Don Juan.
Mr. Gold: Don Juan was nothing before he made his deal with me.
On their date Lacey is utterly bored and leaves Gold sitting while she slips out the back. Later he finds her making out (to put it mildly) with Nottingham so Gold rips them apart and Nottingham runs off in terror. Belle tells Gold he's too nice for her.
He tracks down a sniveling, pleading Nottingham and takes his tongue again so that no one can hear him scream. Lacey sees him beating the snot out of Nottingham and perversely loves him for it.

In other storylines - Emma and Neal re-bond as he spends time with Henry. Greg and Tamara have Hook locked up in the back of their van. The Charmings lead Emma through an invisibility field to see the magic bean plants growing and she realizes that they want to go home to The Enchanted Forest.
Regina follows them to the field and razes the entire crop.

DEATHS - Well Nottingham takes quite the beating from Gold, but it seems he survives it. So none.
Title: Re: Once Upon a Time Death Count
Post by: Outlast on April 04, 2017, 02:48:11 PM
2.20 The Evil Queen
In the past - Regina kills a whole lot of people in her quest to kill Snow White. Then she gets Rumple to glamour her as a peasant so that she can get close to Snow White, but she will have no magic while glamoured and in return he wants her to cut off all trade with King George's realm (to get him to make the deal with Midas which starts the whole ball rolling for Snow and Charming's true love).  Regina doesn't like what she hears when she walks among the people who hate her and love Snow White. She is even captured by her own guards. Ironically Snow rescues her, beating up her guards in the process (no dead ones though I think). Snow and glamoured Regina bond a bit until Snow comes upon a mass grave full of villagers that Regina just had her guards kill. Regina slips and Snow realizes that it's her and she trains an arrow on her but doesn't fire. Glamoured Regina runs off.

In Storybrooke - Tamara and Greg let a gloating Hook know that Gold isn't dead after all. Hook is pissed and he accepts a deal from them to go after Regina (Greg is still looking for his father).

Regina overhears The Charmings talking about giving her (Regina) a choice - go back to The Enchanted Forest with them and live out her days in Rumple's cell or stay behind (and never see Henry again).

Regina goes to Henry and again blames everyone but herself for her hard luck (they made me this way ect.). She tells Henry about a failsafe option that will kill everyone but him (and her) and bring them back together. Henry is rightfully horrified and she takes his memory away.

Hook tells Regina everything and let me tell you... those two had chemistry! Oh how different the series would be if I was writing it. Anyway Hook betrays Regina by tricking her into putting on a magic canceling cuff (first cuff appearance?), betraying Hook in return (before she even knows she has been betrayed) Regina pushes him over a cliff to take a newly reborn Malelificent zombie thing? Hook survives and He Tamara and Greg confront Regina who now realizes that the cuff she got from Hook keeps her from using magic. Opps!

Tamara runs into Emma and Emma's intermittent lie detector goes off. She tells her mom but Snow White thinks it's just the jealousy talking. Emma and Henry start a new operation to catch Tamara. They search Neal's place, but get easily caught by Neal. Who is really quite understanding given the circumstances.

The Charmings and Grumpy find the remains of the bean field that Regina razed.

DEATHS
- Regina has her guards kill a whole village. We see at least 40+ people that presumably were killed, it's hard to count the dead in this case so I guess we'll just count this as another village so 100 points to Regina.

Season Two DEATH COUNT (20 episodes in)
Cora  -- 102 (+100 Village +2 Johanna, Princess Eva)
Charming -- 5 (and this doesn't count the war with King George)
Prince James 5 giants
King George/George -- 2
Rumple:  2 (Milah) (The Seer)
Regina 102 (heart that died in zombie Daniel/Kurt Flynn/+100 for  a village of at least 40 people)
Regina's Guard --- 1
Snow White -- 1 (Cora)
Title: Re: Once Upon a Time Death Count
Post by: Outlast on April 04, 2017, 04:29:46 PM
2.21 Second Star to the Right
Alrighty let's finish this monster!

In the past... we see Baelfire arrive in our world now without his papa. He lands in Kensington Gardens in London where (six months later) he meets The Darling family who more or less take him in. I do wonder how he would have fared if Rumple had been there, possibly no better since Rumple was lame and had only the one (known) skill in spinning, but it would've been happier at least. The Darlings tell him about The Shadow, Bae tells them not to let it in again because magic always comes with a price.
But Wendy doesn't listen and when The Shadow comes back she leaves with it. She comes back scared of Neverland and when the Shadow returns again Bae volunteers to go in their place.
Once in Neverland Bae hears the crying children and he lights a match so The Shadow will drop him. Hook fishes him out of the sea. (So this means that in the seven months or so Bae has been gone Rumple killed Melah, took Killian Jones' hand and Hook made his way to Neverland and is already well acquainted with Peter Pan... now that is a tight timeline!).

In Storybrooke - Neal catches Gold making Doctor Whale kiss his shoe to impress Lacey and he loses it. They exchange words. Neal is very hurtful.

The Charming clan go after Regina and find a small, but barren, bean-plant in her office. Snow thinks Gold took Regina, Emma says no it's Tamara.

At the cannery Tamara shows Greg the two beans she found in Regina's office, Greg shows her the failsafe crystal. Greg and Tamara begin to torture Regina. 

Charmings go to Gold for help and he gives them a tear of Regina's and mixes it with one from Snow which will allow Snow to see and feel whatever Regina sees and feels. Lacey is loving the magic stuff. She wants Gold to keep her young so they can be together forever.

Tamara tells Regina about the unholyness of magic and that she has an organization that wants to destroy magic... basically none of this matters as we know because Pan is behind everything, but I do wonder if (as I've heard) a change in the storyline was made when Once got the rights to Peter Pan and they decided to scrap whatever Greg and Tamara were up too in favor of the Neverland arc.

Regina admits to murdering Greg's father and burying him in the woods. Greg turns the power up. Charmings rescue her. Greg gets away. Tamara knocks Emma out and shoots Neal, sending him through a beanhole for good measure when Emma can't hold him and Bae let's go of her hand. Emma tells him she loves him BECAUSE SHE DOES! Are you listening Once writers?!

DEATHS - NONE that stick other than Kurt Flynn and I already counted that one.

2.22 And Straight on 'Til Morning

In Neverland past - Hook and Smee think the boy (Bae) belongs to Pan and they plan to use him get in good with Pan. Hook tries to befriend the boy, the better to use him. When he learns his name is Baelfire he realizes who he is and finds a double use for the boy as both bait for pan and bait for Rumplestiltskin.
The Lost Boys show up looking for the boy, but Hook won't give him up just yet because he is 'the key to his revenge'. Felix was a great character... just saying. RIIIIIIIIIIIIIIP. They search the ship, but don't find Bae's hiding place.
Bae thinks Hook's a good guy since he hid him, which makes it easier to betray him later when The Lost Boys come back. Bae tells Hook his father is the Dark One and about the dagger. Bae learns to sail. Hook hands him over to The Lost Boys.

In Storybrooke - Gold  has another temptation as Henry swings over ridiculously placed sharp rocks by his playground. The Charmings interrupt his murderous musings to tell him that Bae is dead.  TEARS. Emma tells Henry. MORE TEARS.  The Charmings want Gold's help. He doesn't care about anything anymore. He blames himself for his son's death. He's prepared to pay the price and is basically going to sit in his shop and let the end come.

Hook, Greg and Tamara go down the mines to setup the failsafe. They tell Hook the plan and since it will kill Rumple too... Hook's in. Greg activates the failsafe with a dwarf pickaxe and magic vines start to consume the town. Slowly enough that our heroes can save it of course.

Hook walks in on a Charming family meeting and Charming punches him. LOVE IT! Hook wants to help because he decided he wants to live even more than he wants his revenge. Charming tells Hook if he tries anything he'll shot him in the face. NICE!

The dwarves invade Gold's shop and demand a mug to return Sneezy's (I think it was Sneezy) memories before they all die. Apparently Blue Fairy has been working on it and just happened to finish it today... the day they all die. Grumpy gives Gold a dose for Belle too because Belle once saved him. Gold brings out the broken shards of chip and restores the cup. He gets Belle to drink the magic in the cup and she finally remembers who she is! Belle? Rumple! KISSING!!!! He cries in her arms.

Hook and Charming confront Tamara and Greg and even though they get away, Hook manages to get a magic bean.

Regina goes to destroy the crystal, but tells Emma that she won't survive and to take care of Henry.

But...
Mary Margaret: Look, I know we haven't had a lot of chances to be parents, but give us this one. Let us do the right thing. It's not to late.
Emma: (Embracing Henry) I just don't want him to be alone. I don't want him to grow up the way I did. (A loud boom, and then another earthquake occurs, the largest one yet) This plan could fail. If we use that bean now, we can get away for sure. We will survive.
Mary Margaret: But it's wrong. Emma, I killed her mother.
Emma: You did that to Cora because you had to.
Mary Margaret: I did it because it was easy. It was a mistake. There were other paths, harder paths, and I wish I had taken them. So please, Emma, honey, let's take the hard path. Because if we don't we will be building a future on Regina's blood.

Together Regina and Emma destroy the failsafe crystal with their combined magic.

They realize that Hook stole the magic bean.

Henry gets kidnapped by Greg and Tamara.

Hook returns and The Neverland Avengers form to go and save Henry.... Next season.

Gold leaves Belle with a cloaking spell...
Mr. Gold: Well, Greg and Tamara weren't working alone. Others will follow.
David: No. We can't leave people in danger.
Mr. Gold: (Takes out a small sheet of paper, hands it to Belle) After we've gone, follow these instructions. It's a cloaking spell. It'll shield the town, making it impossible for anyone to find.
Belle: Then how will you find your way back to me? (Silence.) You're not coming back, are you?
Mr. Gold: The prophecy. The boy is my undoing, but he's also my grandson. I must save him. I must do this to honor Baelfire. He's gone, and I didn't even get the chance to say good-bye.
Belle: I understand, but I also know that the future isn't always what it seems. I will see you again. (They kiss, then tearfully begin to go their separate ways.) Baelfire would be very proud of you.

In The Enchanted Forest we learn that Bae is still alive and that Aurora and Mulan have already somehow managed to save Phillip.

SCENE: Aboard the Jolly Roger. Present. Hook and Mr. Gold are standing face to face.
Mr. Gold: So, are you done trying to kill me.
Hook: I believe so.
Mr. Gold: Excellent. Then you can live. (Magically summons the Magic Globe, pricks his finger, and a map of a strange island appears)
Regina: Where is that? Where did they take Henry?
Hook: Neverland.
DEATHS - None that stick.


Season Two DEATH COUNT
Cora  -- 102 (+100 Village +2 Johanna, Princess Eva)
Regina 102 (heart that died in zombie Daniel/Kurt Flynn/+100 for  a village of at least 40 people)
Charming -- 5 (and this doesn't count the war with King George)
Prince James 5 giants
King George/George -- 2
Rumple:  2 (Milah) (The Seer)
Regina's Guard --- 1
Snow White -- 1 (Cora)
Title: Re: Once Upon a Time Death Count
Post by: Outlast on April 04, 2017, 04:48:39 PM
TOTALS for Season One
Rumple 10
Regina 9
Red - 6
Charming 5
Snow 5
Graham 2
Grumpy 2
Jiminy Cricket 2
Prince James 1
King George 1
Sydney Glass  1
Cora 1

Season Two DEATH COUNT
Cora  -- 102 (+100 Village +2 Johanna, Princess Eva)
Regina 102 (heart that died in zombie Daniel/Kurt Flynn/+100 for  a village of at least 40 people)
Charming -- 5 (and this doesn't count the war with King George)
Prince James 5 giants
King George/George -- 2
Rumple:  2 (Milah) (The Seer)
Regina's Guard --- 1
Snow White -- 1 (Cora)

SEASON THREE DEATH TOTALS
Regina 2
Rumple 2
Peter Pan 2
Snow White 1
Zelena 1!

SEASON FOUR DEATH TOTALS
Regina +101
Cruella 4
Ingrid (Snow Queen)  3
Maleficent 3
Emma 1
Robin Hood 1
Zelena 1

SEASON FIVE DEATH TOTALS
Regina 102
Liam Jones 14
Hook 4
Zelena 3
Arthur 2
Hades 2
Charming 1
Nimue 1
Rumple 1

TOTALS AFTER FIVE SEASONS
Regina 316
Cora  103
Rumple:  15
Liam Jones 14
Charming 11
Snow White 7
Prince James 6
Red 6
Zelena 5
Cruella 4
Hook 4
King George/George 3
Ingrid (Snow Queen)  3
Maleficent 3
Arthur 2
Hades 2
Graham 2
Grumpy 2
Jiminy Cricket 2
Peter Pan 2
Emma 1
Nimue 1
Robin Hood 1
Sydney Glass 1


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Title: Re: Once Upon a Time Death Count
Post by: LindaM on April 09, 2017, 04:57:11 PM
Always think Cora is the worse.   We don't half of her back story.

Title: Re: Once Upon a Time Death Count
Post by: Outlast on May 02, 2017, 12:42:39 PM
6.16 Mother's Little Helper
DEATHS - 1 point to Black Fairy for Gideon's friend whom she dusted into a bug and then squashed.

6.17 Awake
DEATHS - NONE

6.18 Where Bluebirds Fly
DEATHS - NONE

6.19 The Black Fairy
DEATHS - NONE


Season Six Death Count (after 19 episodes)

Regina 6
Hook 4
Charming 1
Jafar 2
Jasmine 1 (Jafar)
Jekyll/Hyde 1
Monte 1
Rumple 1
Baelfire 1 (highly contested!)
Black Fairy 1 ...that's right the biggest evil ever has only one death to her credit so far.
Title: Re: Once Upon a Time Death Count
Post by: LindaM on May 02, 2017, 12:57:29 PM
I contend we add a second -- her son's "good nature/savior" aspect.
Title: Re: Once Upon a Time Death Count
Post by: Outlast on May 07, 2017, 08:43:26 PM
I'd love too, but I just don't think we can count shears work as a death.

6.20 The Song in Our Heart
DEATHS - Regina snaps the necks of two of her guards during her song.
Title: Re: Once Upon a Time Death Count
Post by: Outlast on May 16, 2017, 04:34:30 PM
6.21 The Final Battle, Part 1
6.22 The Final Battle, Part 2

DEATHS - Rumple kills The Black Fairy ...I think that was the only one.


Season Six Death Count
Regina 8
Hook 4
Jafar 2
Rumple 2 (Black Fairy)
Charming 1
Jasmine 1 (Jafar)
Jekyll/Hyde 1
Monte 1
Baelfire 1 (highly contested!)
Black Fairy 1
Title: Re: Once Upon a Time Death Count
Post by: Outlast on May 16, 2017, 04:43:47 PM
TOTALS AFTER SIX SEASONS
Regina 324
Cora  103
Rumple:  17
Liam Jones 14
Charming 12
Snow White 7
Prince James 6
Red 6
Zelena 5
Cruella 4
Hook 8
King George/George 3
Ingrid (Snow Queen)  3
Maleficent 3
Arthur 2
Graham 2
Grumpy 2
Hades 2
Jafar 2
Jiminy Cricket 2
Peter Pan 2
Baelfire 1 (highly contested!)
Black Fairy 1
Emma 1
Jasmine 1 (Jafar)
Jekyll/Hyde 1
Monte 1
Nimue 1
Robin Hood 1
Sydney Glass 1
Title: Re: Once Upon a Time Death Count
Post by: Outlast on May 16, 2017, 04:46:39 PM
and a list of everyone each main character killed...

CHARMING KILLED
Percival
Unnamed guards/soldiers 9
The Woodcutter

CORA KILLED
Snow's Mother Eva
Daniel (Regina's first boyfriend)
Johanna
Peasants 100

CRUELLA KILLED
Her mother 1
Her father 1
Two step-father 2

HADES KILLED
Arthur
Robin Hood

HOOK KILLED
Barnaby
Edgar
His Father
Merlin
Jekyll/Hyde
King George's Henchmen 2
Robert (Papa) Charming

Peter Pan KILLED
Greg
Felix

REGINA KILLED
Snow's Father Leopold
The Blind Witch
Gnomes/Mermaids/Jesters 3
Her Father Henry Senior
Sheriff Graham
Misc. soldiers/guards 8
Peasants 304? (hard to count all those villages)
Kurt Flynn
The Count of Monte Cristo
The Wish Charmings 2

RUMPLE KILLED
Zoso
Milah
Onora (The Mute Maid)
The Medicine Man (baby contract dude)
Gaston?
The Seer
Cinderella's Fairy Godmother
Tamara
Peter Pan/Malcolm
Himself
Misc. soldiers/badguys 5
Peasants 1
The Black Fairy

SNOW WHITE KILLED
Medusa
Cora
Charming (briefly)
Soldiers/guards/bad guys 5

ZELENA KILLED
Baelfire/Neal
Scarecrow?
Hades
Peasants/guards 1
Marion

Title: Re: Once Upon a Time Death Count
Post by: Outlast on July 05, 2018, 03:52:15 PM
I buzzed through season seven again over the weekend (on heavy FF at times) to fill in the last seasons numbers.

SEASON SEVEN DEATHS
7.1 Hyperion Heights
Rapunzel kills New Cinderella's (Ninderella?) fairy godmother and her 'prince'.
Also it appeared that Henry killed a guard/soldier.

7.2 A Pirate's Life
Hook (not Nook) kills 2 soldiers

7.3 The Garden of Forking Paths
No death for certain

7.4 Beauty
None that count

7.5 Greenbacks
None

7.6 Wake Up Call
None

7.7 Eloise Gardener
The perp with the tatoo is killed, but as far as I can tell it was never clear who killed him. Probably either Goethal or Hansel

7.8 Pretty in Blue
None

7.9 One Little Tear
This is the episode where Rapunzel poisons? her husband's 2nd wife and then she runs away to Wonderland and then later dies there...I don't think I can count this one since it's unclear how she died.

7.10 The Eighth Witch
None

7.11 Secret Garden
Hansel kills the doctor looking after Lucy
Goethal kills Rapunzel

7.12 A Taste of the Heights
None

7.13 Knightfall
Hansel kills blind witch 2.0 (Nitch?) and also a policeman

7.14 The Girl in the Tower
None

7.15 Sisterhood
Drizella kills Gretel 2.0 (Netel?)

7.16 Breadcrumbs
None

7.17 Chosen
Facilia kills Hansel

7.18 The Guardian
None

7.19 Flower Child
Well Goethal kills 25ish party goers and supposedly...the world? How on Earth do I count that?

7.20 Is This Henry Mills?
Alice kills Goethal (more or less)
Wumple kills Facila

7.21 Homecoming
None

7.22 Leaving Storybrooke
Snow kills a guard
Rumple kills himself (again) and also sort of Wumple (so himself again again) somehow.

Season Seven Death Count
Goethal 26ish + infinity
Hansel 2.0 3
Hook 2
Rapunzel 2
Rumple 2 (both of them himself)
Alice 1
Drizella 1
Facilia 1
Henry 1
Snow 1
Wumple 1

TOTALS AFTER SEVEN SEASONS
Goethal 26ish + infinity
Regina 325
Cora  103
Rumple:  19* (three of these are himself)
Liam Jones 14
Charming 12
Snow White 9
Prince James 6
Red 6
Zelena 5
Cruella 4
Hook 10
King George/George 3
Ingrid (Snow Queen)  3
Maleficent 3
Hansel 2.0 3
Arthur 2
Graham 2
Grumpy 2
Hades 2
Jafar 2
Jiminy Cricket 2
Peter Pan 2
Rapunzel 2
Alice 1
Baelfire 1 (highly contested!)
Black Fairy 1
Drizella 1
Emma 1
Facilia 1
Henry 1
Jasmine 1 (Jafar)
Jekyll/Hyde 1
Monte 1
Nimue 1
Robin Hood 1
Sydney Glass 1
Wumple 1


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