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Non- Reality => Once Upon a Time => Topic started by: LindaM on July 07, 2016, 12:56:47 PM
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Here's the promo thanks to EW.
http://www.ew.com/article/2016/07/07/once-upon-time-season-6-poster?xid=entertainment-weekly_socialflow_twitter
Spoilerish stuff -- Regina
http://www.ew.com/article/2016/06/28/once-upon-time-season-6-evil-queen-spoilers
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Well I'd say that was one of the better looking season posters/DVD covers they've done...but they're all pretty repetitive.
Not thrilled that all we know about six so far seemed Regina centric when Regina is kind of the worst character consistency wise. She was bad, then she was good (but not that good), she uses dark magic all the time and still does really bad things...all of which will be ignored by the heroes. Now she's killed (or tried to) her 'evil' half and I just can't see how that works. I can easily see the evil Regina killing her 'weak' half, but shouldn't a Regina without the evil have been a bit more different? Think of the Star Trek episode 'The Enemy Within'.
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https://televisionchangesblog.com/2016/07/25/once-upon-a-time-and-comic-con/
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The opening seemed a little flat to me. No real action. The major thing seemed to deal with Emma's death. And Hyde even got that wrong. Examples:
Arthur -- will sleep until Britain needs him.
Aslan -- sacrificed on the altar but returned to life. When good gives it's life for bad it comes back stronger.
I'm sure I could think of more but right now my brain is on other things.
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https://televisionchangesblog.com/2016/09/26/once-upon-a-time-season-six-slow-start/
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Well I cried with joy when rumple and belle danced in her dreams and then a few moments later I threw my remote.
As for Emma and Hyde's story ...I just didn't care.
And about Regina/Zelena...I really really didn't care.
The Snow/Regina scene near the end was actually touching and true and filled with the possibility for personal growth. I wonder how on earth that made it into the show?
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Adam and Eddie thought it would bring fans back. It didn't. Loved the Snow/Regina scene. This may be as bad as season 2. Did you read my post I listed?
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Adam and Eddie thought it would bring fans back. It didn't. Loved the Snow/Regina scene. This may be as bad as season 2. Did you read my post I listed?
I read it. I think we can agree that the Snow and Regina conversation at the end was easily the best scene. It would've been the Rumbelle dream dance if the writers hadn't spoiled it all within seconds of all the Rumple fans like me finally feeling loved and valued again.
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Morpheus as their son who wanted to get even with dear dad was stupid. I started that as a good and bad piece and it became all bad quickly.
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I found this a few minutes ago. Nice to see the other upset fans out there venting some of their frustration.
http://boushh2187.tumblr.com/post/150992768229/my-angry-letter-to-the-ouat-writers-about-rumbelle
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Okay -- my new blog.
https://televisionchangesblog.com/2016/09/28/once-upon-a-time-what-went-wrong-in-season-6-premiere-part-i-rumbelle/
Excuse any typos.
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Okay -- my new blog.
https://televisionchangesblog.com/2016/09/28/once-upon-a-time-what-went-wrong-in-season-6-premiere-part-i-rumbelle/
Excuse any typos.
I left a comment!
When I look back on Rumple's journey I can sort of see or at least fanfictionize why Rumple does what he does, but Belle's behavior completely baffles me much of the time. Her feelings for Rumple fluxuate by the minute! One minute she wants him to be a good guy and not use any magic (never mind that Regina uses dark/light/whatever magic whenever she likes and she still gets to hang out with the cool kids) and the next she's asking him to use magic. She wants him to be a hero and once he finally does it...she rejects him for no apparent reason! They get back together and they break up over and over and over again and none of it makes sense to me. The only way I can make any of it work in my head is to remember how many times Belle has been shot and bashed on the head and that she spent some thirty years in Regina's 'care'... So I guess the answer to all my questions about Belle could technically be answered by a combination of emotional trauma and brain damage? That's really the only conclusion I can draw that makes any sense of her actions.
That's me. See how I got so busy ranting about Belle that I didn't even bother mentioning anything from the season six premiere. Sorry. -loll
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No -- thank you for leaving a comment. Here's the next one. I should have labeled it: Where are the Charmings?
Once Upon a Time: What Went Wrong in Season 6 Premiere
https://televisionchangesblog.com/2016/09/29/once-upon-a-time-what-went-wrong-in-season-6-premiere-lack-of-charmings/
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This show is becoming Once Upon a Headache. Let me point out errors from last night.
It's been years since I read the Count of Monte Cristo but this I know. He didn't always use a sword to get his revenge, he used his brain. Went back and checked and found that he got revenge and actually didn't dirty his hands with deaths. All the deaths were suicides. While he didn't get his first love, he got his true love.
Emma worrying about who she will fight? Give me a break! This doesn't make sense that she fears it is Regina. Now the Evil Queen I'd buy.
Twitter got abuzzed immediately after the show about David killing his dad. Did I miss something in the show while I was sleeping during the first 10 minutes?
Where was Aladdin? Where was Hyde for that matter?
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Twitter got abuzzed immediately after the showhttps://myaccount.earthlink.net/cam/passmain.jsp about David killing his dad. Did I miss something in the show while I was sleeping during the first 10 minutes?
Well all I remember is the Evil Queen giving Charming a coin or button of some kind and hinting that his father's death either wasn't an accident or didn't really happen. But I can't remember what her exact words were.
The whole Count sub-plot didn't fit in that well with the overall storyline for me, but hey it added a whopping FOUR deaths to our death count (I think) and we got some nice bonus Rumple as well. So I guess I liked that last part anyway.
I'm still finding the whole Regina/Evil Queen split silly as is the savior shakes plot, but I enjoy seeing Archie again.
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I love the Archie return.
I hate the Regina/Evil Queen bit. Lana is good but the wimpy Regina is getting on my last nerve. And the Evil Queen could have been written so differently.
Did love the Rumple stuff especially when the EQ came on to him? He all but said "EWWWW!"
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Did love the Rumple stuff especially when the EQ came on to him? He all but said "EWWWW!"
Yeah I think my brain was trying to bleach that one out too. Should make for a nice quip from Gold when Regina finally accepts her dark self back and he can casually mention to her how he never knew how she felt about him all these years. :D It brings back the line from the episode where baby Henry is adopted when Regina tells Gold she wants a baby and he says "I'm flattered but uninterested". :043:
Also that makes a grand total of THREE Mills women who have come on to Rumple at some point in his life. Zelena better keep baby Robin away from Emma's onion rings or she might just end up with Rumple as a son-in-law! -rollinglaugh-
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My latest
https://televisionchangesblog.com/2016/10/04/once-upon-a-time-fact-check-on-the-morpheus-story/
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My latest!
https://televisionchangesblog.com/2016/10/10/once-upon-a-time-the-shoe-fits-worked/
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So apparently Ashley (aka Ella in the EF) never told Thomas (aka Sean in Storybrooke) about what she did to her step-sister since he thought she was going to try and kill her step-sister rather than (I presume) going after her step-mother to protect her step-sister. I guess true love means never ever telling your husband how you nearly got your step sister (and her footman fiancee) killed. Although if we're being technical here, I don't recall Cinderella and Thomas being established as 'true' love because they were never cursed.
You know I dislike Hook and the reasons haven't changed, but I appreciate that he apologized to Belle, that he feels both guilt and regret over his past behavior and that he's actively trying to make better choices. See ONCE writers it CAN be done! The scene with little Alexandra was cute too.
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I so, so, so agree. This last episode was the best of the season. It what makes Once great. And I've wondered also if this is setting up the ending but it won't be a school of magic. ABC doesn't own Harry Potter. It might be the Disney channel's version but somehow Regina needs a child for the mix.
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WOW! Look below.
I don’t foresee Regina moving on with another man right now. She’s just probably going to focus on her relationship with Henry, her relationship with her family, and dealing with Zelena at some point. Right now I think romance is the last thing on her mind. But we’ll see what happens when Robin Hood comes back! All that may change.
http://www.cosmopolitan.com/entertainment/tv/a5944936/lana-parrilla-once-upon-a-time-interview/?src=socialflowTW
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About the 'twist' last night...ok, I can sort of buy Jekyll being the one who killed Mary. I assume he thought she was some pure unobtainable dove and when he realized she wasn't he snapped. I can sort of see the twisted logic in that. But why did he go after Belle on the ship? Perhaps I missed a pesky little detail somewhere, but I'm baffled on that one. Also if you look at his original crime in killing Mary, I'd call it more a crime of passion than some psychotic killer type of deal. Also if Hyde wasn't the bad guy...why was he acting like it this whole time? I know I know. Plotty plotty plot plot reasons. Ugh.
As to Belle I so wish the writers would stop trying to make her 'strong' and focus a little more on making her bright. On a good note - Emilie looked great tonight; great angry jutting chin acting there. If only she had some good dialogue points to back it up.
On the haircut...I love it! I didn't think I would, but I do. Oh how I do. And he's stopped begging that neurotic wife of his to take him back. I'm oddly pleased about that. After all the begging, pleading, and heroics did nothing for him last season, so it's good he's trying a new tactic. Or he finally found that spine he lost. Gosh what a mess they have made of Beauty and the Beast now!
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I saw Mary's fall more as accidental than true murder. Yes, Jekyll was at her when she fell but I'm not sure if she fell or was pushed. Regarding the death(s), I know why the setup -- it allowed the heroes to figure out how to get rid of the evil queen. Was it too soon? Yes, there was plenty of story left to play out? Rumple did turn good.
Now, as to Belle, I really don't get it. Someone on twitter last night referred to Adam and Eddie watching too much Harry Potter. So are we to expect the baby will have a sign? If so, Morpheus didn't have one in the dream.
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I'm still standing by my belief that 'Morpheus' isn't related to Rumple at all. It's just too cruel even for the Once writers.
On Jekyll attacking Belle...I looked the imdb board and someone there said he was trying to punish Rumple for Mary's death by killing his wife. Still doesn't pass muster with me, but I guess that was what they were going for there? The bad Jekyll thing was just stupid imo whatever his reasons were supposed to be.
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I heard a new theory about Rumple - what if he's already split himself in half and he has the 'weak' Rumple tied up in the back of his shop?
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Now that is funny! Just how many versions of the formula exists. If it is this common all can have some!
-Silly face- -Silly face- -rollinglaugh- -rollinglaugh- -rollinglaugh- -rollinglaugh-
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This week's show was much better than episode 1 and 2. As good as 3 and 4 -- no. Here's what I didn't like. They advanced the story too quickly. Now that Evil Queen knows what to do, it looks like they're rushing toward a mid-season finale. Yet, there will be no mid-season finale this year according to the President of ABC.
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I liked Aladdin, was fine with Jasmine and loved Archie getting some well-deserved screentime. I thought the wicked/evil spa day at The Three Bears Spa was bizarre, but I giggled at the conversation at least.
And I would love to see what kind of weird timey whimey timeline the writers can come up with to fit all this Aladdin stuff into the Once Wonderland storyline, which is already pretty shakey wakey after the Cinderella story last week and the Will Scarlett crap from S4.
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Uh, don't forget this is not Doctor Who. I will admit a visit from the good doctor as played by Eccleston, Tennant or Smith would be welcome.
The whole thing was like a waking dream. I did love Emma's talk with Henry and admitting everything. Unfortunately, it wasn't Artie who heard everything.
I do not like "cricket" Artie. All he is now is a baby sitter for Robin. Wouldn't it be cool if baby Robin turned him back to beloved Artie. And who is caring for the dog?
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I do not like "cricket" Artie. All he is now is a baby sitter for Robin. Wouldn't it be cool if baby Robin turned him back to beloved Artie. And who is caring for the dog?
Well they know he's missing now so I assume they stuck Belle with the dog since she's the designated baby sitter most of the time.
That's an interesting thought with baby Robin and brings to mind the always wonky notion that Zelena (born of two non-magical parents) had magic almost from birth for no apparent reason and will baby Robin be the same?
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I just listened to the Once podcast and their spoiler ladies say there are pictures from filming of Regina (not EQ but clearly modern now Regina) with long dead dwarf stealthy and with a full on enchanted forestry Rumple! And they're theorizing that OUAT will be giving Regina the 'It's a Wonderful Life' treatment at some point this season. Is that wise? If they go back and show Regina how much nicer everyone's lives would be if she never existed shouldn't she not want to go back?
Or more likely they'll say, Snow: hey if it hadn't been for you murdering my father and trying to kill me than Snow and Charming would never have met. So thank you Regina.
Rumple: if you hadn't enacted the curse and brought us here than I never would've found my son, but he would still be alive. Thank you Regina.
Dwarves: if you'd never been born than sure Stealthy would still be alive, but we would've never have known the joys of lasagna and penicillin. Thank you Regina.
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They should do "A Christmas Carol". It's in keeping with unfinished stories.
Sheesh. They just don't get it, do they.
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For a Hook episode that was actually pretty decent. The tension between him and Henry at the beginning was a little contrived though. Glad they brought back the brother he orphaned.
As for EQ kissing Rumple... Weird. But at this point I just think all these actresses are having it written into their contracts that at some point they get to kiss Robert Carlyle. Cora...Belle...Zelena...Regina... Who will be next Snow or Emma and which one would freak you out more? :D
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Look seeing teen/20s year olds every day, I can see anger. Plus Henry is having to share Emma for the first time. He loves Emma and doesn't want her hurt. Plus EQ egged him on. So I can see the anger.
I actually thought that whole story worked. Hook and Henry finally seem to be opening up as friends. Could Hook ever be Henry's father? No and I think he knows it.
That weird scene with Lana and Robert was strange. At least Belle didn't see it.
Love the rescue of the cricket.
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That weird scene with Lana and Robert was strange. At least Belle didn't see it.
Yeah I was surprised and happy they didn't do that.
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I heard a new theory about Rumple - what if he's already split himself in half and he has the 'weak' Rumple tied up in the back of his shop?
Great now I have to hope this is true. :73:
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My article on last night's show:
https://televisionchangesblog.com/2016/11/07/once-upon-a-time-stories-galore/
Actually loved Belle standing up to Rumple last night. It was a good episode that shows the show has potential, but I want to rub my eyes out every time I see Lana and Robert making out. It should be him trying to get Belle back. And he's back to being afraid. Could he have split himself? The sleeping curse needs to disappear. Also did last night's episode remind you of a 1985 Rutger Hager, Michelle Pfeiffer, and Matthew Broderick movie? Only difference is that in that movie (Ladyhawke), they changed into creatures that hated each other.
Regarding episode 11, I've seen spoiler pictures. Morpheus is back and it looks like Emma has to fight him. Robin is back in full "Sherwood Forest" mode. If it is "It's a Wonderful Life," it will be the first Christmas show they've done.
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The sleeping curse piece!
https://televisionchangesblog.com/2016/11/09/once-upon-the-time-the-sleeping-curse-say-what/
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Christmas tree ornaments
http://www.iconheroes.com/products/once-upon-a-time-metal-ornaments-set-of-8
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Christmas tree ornaments
http://www.iconheroes.com/products/once-upon-a-time-metal-ornaments-set-of-8
I admit I really like those ornaments; even if I'm not happy with the show these days.
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They're only issuing 350 sets. I ordered mine yesterday.
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New post regarding the "heart" situation.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaaf/2016/11/10/jones-wilson-help-duke-upset-no-15-north-carolina-28-27/93628426/
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New post regarding the "heart" situation.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaaf/2016/11/10/jones-wilson-help-duke-upset-no-15-north-carolina-28-27/93628426/
Um...that's some kind of sportsball story. Try again? -rollinglaugh-
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Sorry about that -- Ken hates when Duke wins!
https://televisionchangesblog.com/2016/11/11/once-upon-a-time-the-charmings-darkened-heart/
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This could be wishful thinking, but is it possible that Rumple took the Jekyll potion at some point and that's why we see two different types of Rumple behavior in the scene at the dock with Belle where he is harsher and in the shop with Belle where he's sweeter. And it might also explain why Rumple seemed uninterested in EQs advances last week and totally into it this week. Like I said, probably wishful thinking, but I would appreciate it if characters behavior was explainable without having to fanfiction up reasons for why they do what they do.
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Today's posts
Article One: https://televisionchangesblog.com/2016/11/14/once-upon-a-time-the-rumple-situation/
Article Two: https://televisionchangesblog.com/2016/11/14/once-upon-a-time-the-return-question-regarding-the-dragon/
And yes I am thinking one of the SwanQueen team.
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Did I see Ruby in the commercial for the next show. Those red heels when Belle went into labor made me wonder.
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New theory...Rumple is still asleep in Morpheus' dreamland and the 'Rumple' we've seen through most of season six is actually Morpheus himself disguised as Rumple for some nebulously nefarious reason. This theory is based on a spoiler I read about Morpheus coming back to the show soon.
And I still think he's not their unborn son! (hopes violently that she is right)
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Did you see the 'leaked" stills for the mid-season ender. Snow and Charming (in full ruler mode) with Emma beside them dressed as royalty. Henry is a knight.
There's something about Aladdins' lamp, EQ making a wish and things changing (not necessarily for the better). With the wish all must pay a price and Belle plays into it.
And didn't they say they would stay in Storybrooke this year? That looks questionable also.
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Well all that sounds interesting. Hopefully it will be!
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Well that was a mess wasn't it?
At least we got confirmation that Rumple's mother WAS a fairy. The big bad Black Fairy at that. So I guess that means BOTH his folks were into kidnapping/luring children in some kind of twisted logic because they abandoned their own son.
And how come Zelena was this big bad wicked witch who Regina couldn't defeat without a bs sudden white magic burst and now EQ can kick her butt all around the barnyard? Couldn't we just go ahead and kill her off already? She hasn't added much to the show since season 3 and they'd do well to erase everything that happened with her in season four. Better yet just erase season four!
And please note that Hook and Emma were not helping Belle, they were using her to help themselves because they want to find out more about Emma's visions.
Great job Belle. Send your only child away. Abandoned children never grow up to be evil power hungry beasts...oh wait.
I don't even want to talk about Rumbelle stuff right now because all this crap makes me crazy and I'm sure you're as tired of reading it as I am of watching it!
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My sentiments:
The Black Fairy as Rumple's mom was a bunch of crock. Come on now! He knows she's his mother and still did all he did. I know he was traumatized by the Pan bit and I know he was raised by the Fate spinners but even this was a little big "much" for me.
If Rumple had been honest with Belle, would it have made a difference? My thoughts are yes. My thoughts are are get that "man who says he's her son" out of her thoughts. The one shining thought I have of the whole Belle sends her son off thing is that she told Blue to bring him back when it was safe again. Maybe Rumple can change.
EQ is an idiot. She wants love (from Rumple -gag) enough to kill her own sister and leave the baby motherless. Who was going to raise Robin anyway -- her? No way.
Aladdin as genie probably got lost in the shuffle. Can an ex-Savior become a genie that can do evil.
Okay -- regarding Zelena. She has to stay around. Robin is supposed to return and he has to bring peace between the sisters.
And how many new episodes do we have left? One or two? Usually there are 11 and I don't see next Sunday's being the finale. It's a set-up for the finale.
I wonder what type of drugs the writers are on. Maybe they should be taken away.
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"What have we done to each other?"
...FINALLY! ...Too bad that like every other bizarre mood swing Belle seems to have this one will probably flip flop again too. All I want is a reason Once writers. Just write a story that makes sense instead of flopping around from ooh we need Rumple dark here so have Belle yell at/accuse/threaten to leave him... oh now we need him sympathetic so make Belle see the good in him/come back to him. Really the sad thing is that this reunion has been something I've wanted for years now and they finally bring it and Belle is back on board with Rumple the same way she's always out on Rumple... without explanation. Last week she did and said the worst things to Rumple that she possibly could and this week before Rumple even gets a chance to explain anything...she is all 'what have we done to each other?'. :41:
I really shouldn't complain because like I said this is what I've wanted for a long time, but as a big Once fan who has rewatched the show far more than I should (except for S4) I still feel like Belle should've never left Rumple. She was the perfect link between him and the heroes that could keep him as the gray character we loved, keep him from going full dark, always be the speck of light in a lifetime of darkness. Rumple could still do dark things, heck Regina still does from time to time, but he needs that balance to keep him relatable without making him some namby pamby hero type which isn't I'm sure as fun to write as the snappy bad guy dialogue. I prefer him darkish myself, he's more fun to watch that way, what I don't, haven't and won't enjoy is this relationship mellowdrama they've forced onto a couple who as confirmed true lovers should've been able to find their own path together without constantly fighting/lying/hurting each other!
Enough babbling. LM you really don't even need to read that.
As for the rest of it...I thought Castle Charming was stunning and the older Charmings were done about as well as you can without extensive make-up (nothing wrong with hiring older actors ABC. You don't expect Ginny to play herself at ten and I don't think it would be weird at all to have an older couple who looked vaguely charmingeske playing the roles. Just saying) It's always fun to see golden Rumple chew up the scenery, he was definitely the highlight for me. Henry as a knight was cute too.
Aladdin makes a good genie. The jury is still out on those appletinis though since I don't think anybody actually drank one.
The Regina/Emma dream? adventure didn't work as well for me, probably because seeing Emma as a coward type was weird. I was surprised that they didn't escape the dream? (really where the heck are they???) place in this episode.
Like that the EQ is now a snake.
What the heck is up with Morpheus/Gideon/cloak man? How does grandma-Stiltskin fit into all of this. If he really is/was Rumbaby than how did he talk to his mother from the womb and why?
I can't think of anything else to say.
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You know I don't mind your rant. I see hope with the Rumple/Belle situation. They have a quest to do now and a quest will either enhance a relationship or destroy it.
I actually loved the scenery in dream Enchanted Forest but hated the storyline. And how does every Rumple know everything.
Watch for an article. We have the Black Fairy of evil right? Shouldn't there be a counterpoint oh like the White Guardian of Doctor Who. I'll write it when I can. On my way out on crisis right now.
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Article one: Rumple and Belle
Once Upon a Time: Rumple and Belle Mid-Season Report https://televisionchangesblog.com/2016/12/05/once-upon-a-time-rumple-and-belle-mid-season-report/ … via @wordpressdotcom
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https://twitter.com/OnceUponAFan/status/805544139219668993
hahaha
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Love it! But I thought you didn't do twitter.
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Love it! But I thought you didn't do twitter.
I don't. I followed a link from IMDb where I lurk. :d030:
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My Emma was too wimpy post.
https://televisionchangesblog.com/2016/12/07/once-upon-a-time-wish-emma/
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https://televisionchangesblog.com/2016/12/12/once-upon-a-time-facing-cancellation/
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Want some good Once news? Here we go.. ONce Upon a Time is planning a musical episode!
http://tvline.com/2017/01/22/once-upon-a-time-musical-episode-season-6-spoilers/
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Saw that and was going to post this AM. Seems Robbie was at a premiere this weekend. Looked the happiest I've seen him in a while. Saw the pictures on twitter.
This could be the death knell for Once as we know it or good news. Until I hear whose contract has been renewed, I'm keeping an open mind.
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Robert Carlyle's take on returning to Once
http://www.digitalspy.com/tv/once-upon-a-time/news/a819875/once-upon-a-time-season-7-robert-carlyle-future/
Ginnifer's summer job:
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/ginnifer-goodwin-snags-lead-role-constellations-at-geffen-playhouse-967616
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It sounds like RC is a great dad. Hopefully whatever he and/or the writers decide will lead to a good story for Rumple.
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Let's see... in brief the Robin stuff was annoying. The old fat Hook stuff was silly but at least slightly funny. It was GREAT to see August back with a real role to play. I'm not at all surprised that the 'heroes' wanted to kill Gideon even after they knew who he was and what happened to him. Heroes care a lot more about themselves then others in most of these stories - a trait they actually share with the villains. Shocker. It was nice to see Belle and Rumple talk instead of posture and yell about stupid stuff. It's a start anyway. Maybe Rumple should offer to take out the Black Fairy for Gideon since he says (if he's telling the truth) that he wants to save his realm from her. Maybe Gideon knows how to get back there so he and dear old dad can take a family vacay and knock another rotten branch off their family tree.
Problems/Plot-holes
1. How exactly did August make that wardrobe so fast and transport it to his workshop? I guess maybe Emma could transport the thing, but it seemed clear that only August could carve it and he should work at a more human pace.
2. Robin and Regina escape from RUMPLE-FRICKIN-STILTSKIN ....with a nail????!!!! Why wouldn't he have known this and stopped them? Or at least followed them to the magic wardobe... which btw if you remember could only take TWO in the original version, but I guess this must've been a bigger tree (the door was certainly taller).
3. Robin's soul traveled here???? That doesn't make sense. Can anyone wish their dead loved one back because Robin would not be at the top of my list! Isn't it Rumple himself who said magic can't raise the dead... "Magic can do much but not that!"
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The old fat Hook stuff was silly but at least slightly funny. It was GREAT to see August back with a real role to play. I'm not at all surprised that the 'heroes' wanted to kill Gideon even after they knew who he was and what happened to him. Heroes care a lot more about themselves then others in most of these stories - a trait they actually share with the villains.
The Hook stuff was hilarious. It made me laugh. And regarding the heroes. I agree. Only Emma and Regina doesn't appear that way. Emma knows she has to fight Gideon and whether her fate is death or life, we won't know. I'm writing a column on this shortly and will send the link.
Problems/Plot-holes
1. How exactly did August make that wardrobe so fast and transport it to his workshop? I guess maybe Emma could transport the thing, but it seemed clear that only August could carve it and he should work at a more human pace.
Look, I had a lot of questions on August which I won't put here now. Something is strange about that character. I'll link my article after I write it.
2. Robin and Regina escape from RUMPLE-FRICKIN-STILTSKIN ....with a nail????!!!! Why wouldn't he have known this and stopped them? Or at least followed them to the magic wardobe... which btw if you remember could only take TWO in the original version, but I guess this must've been a bigger tree (the door was certainly taller).
Don't even get me started on this. Time and space continuum has been out of whack on this show for a long time. Some on Twitter didn't even think it would take two but Snow was supposed to have gone back with Emma so that was a mistake on Twitter's part.
3. Robin's soul traveled here???? That doesn't make sense. Can anyone wish their dead loved one back because Robin would not be at the top of my list! Isn't it Rumple himself who said magic can't raise the dead... "Magic can do much but not that!"
Good news: Horowitz and Kitsis still say it's an arc so he shouldn't be around long. He's another character that seemed out of place. I figure since he's alternate reality wish world, the time/space doesn't work the same. On the other hand, he's now in our world so everything here is in flux. Can he alter the path of what is to happen? Gideon is still trying.
August on the other hand, is a mystery to me. Do you recall him becoming a man after returning to boy form? I don't.
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Not my August post but my questions.
https://televisionchangesblog.com/2017/03/06/once-upon-a-time-mid-season-opener/
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Gideon piece. August will have to wait.
https://televisionchangesblog.com/2017/03/06/once-upon-a-time-gideon-the-savior/
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And another piece considering where rumor says they are going next year.
https://televisionchangesblog.com/2017/03/10/once-upon-a-time-season-7-and-beyond/
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Well well well... That was like a double twist right there. Everyone expected Hook to be the daddy killer and they managed to completely fool me into thinking it was King George (which made a lot of sense) all the pieces fell neatly into place and then BAM! They twisted back around and it was Hook after all. Three points to Hook for daddy charming and the two henchmen.
I have to say other than the stupid Robin/Regina subplot this episode reminded me of season one. The only complaint I have is that I've sure that once all of this comes out there will be a brief tempest of anger and then everyone will just forget that Hook murdered Emma's grandfather, the same way they've forgotten that Regina killed Emma's other grandfather (and her grandmother too!).
Of course my favorite part was the return of 'The Shepard' era Rumple complete with quips and I especially loved that they gave him a moment to show that no matter how blackened his heart might be he's still a father who lost his son and was as desperate as this father was to find him. It was a nice moment.
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I give this episode an A-. Everything clicked. Even the "Regina realizes there is something fishy about Robin." Can we say plant by EQ or Zelena. Naw -- not Zelena. She was too surprised to hear he was back.
Regarding the exit of Snow and Charming. Last night could have started the process. They decide to raise Neil elsewhere once the curse is broken. Or to break the curse, they have to leave.
Best episode in a long time though. Minus the Robin and Regina stuff and the fear of vault sex. Loved her expression when the kiss wasn't the same.
What do you think of the show continuing without Snow/Charming? Actually, they've been in less and less. And yes, I have several pieces I want to write this week. Just got to get my head around them.
And did I see ogres for next week?
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The only gripe I might have with Snow and Charming leaving is the destruction of the family unit. If Emma, Henry and Rumple stay and The Charmings move away (for lack of a better way to put it) wouldn't that be sad for Henry and Emma? I know people move away in real life, but I sort of assume this 'move' is more likely to be to another realm. Which granted isn't as hard to travel as it used to be, but still, I can't picture Snow White wanting to leave Emma and Henry behind under anything but the most dire of circumstances. Though we do have one instance of something like this from season 3 in Neverland when David got poisoned by dreamshade (which would kill him soon after leaving Neverland) and Snow was planning on building a tree house and staying there with him.
I still have this stupid irrational hope that somehow the whole family will make-up and have that awkward Thanksgiving meal after that flurry of happy endings I want for nearly everyone. I know this isn't going to happen, but I just want a happy family at the end.
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One post I read said that Emma, Hook, Rumple and Regina somehow disappear out of Storybrooke and must find their way back while fighting evil. Duh -- that is terrible.
The show was built on the Charming though you don't see it now.
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Ok, the episode isn't over just yet, but wth is this nonsense about Baelfire using the dagger to make Rumple kill Beowolf? You know what a flaming hypocrite that would make Bae in all the story comes afterwords in the timeline? This does not fit his character at all!!!!
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Another memory potion, my gosh!
Normally, as you know, I adore Rumple stories, but this one didn't feel authentic. I assume this is all part of their plan to make Gideon a stand-in for Bae and to redeem Rumple so they can give him another honorable death and I don't like it! Rumple has already had an honorable sacrificial death, how many literal deaths must they make him die? I just can't help it, I want a happy ending, a live one. Make Regina die to save everyone. It's not like she's doing anything interesting this season anyway.
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It was interesting but I realized how much I hate Beowulf -- reading it was always boring.
Rumple was okay but come off --get off the potions.
I thought it was a sign of what I think may come. The heroes to survive and come back next season will be in the real world as heroes. Don't know what will make Hook super but I'm sure they'll come up with something.
More later.
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Spoilers pics from Canada of what I believe is the two part finale. Gold/Black Fairy. Henry with book then neck brace and stretcher.
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Just a wild theory, but I'm listening to Once podcast and theyre talking about wish Robin and just like on the show my eyes are glazing over with boredom when I have a thought... What if wish Robin is really wish Rumple, who killed wish Robin after he and Regina escaped, when I don't know Robin stepped off the path to take a pee or something, and it's been wishRumple masquerading as wishRobin ever since they stepped through the portal!
Now come on that's at least better than what we're actually getting right now. :86:
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Can we hope that the EQ/Regina feud ends soon and that Emma and Regina can get down to the business of shipping Gideon off to the land unknown. Better yet, let's just send all the good people to Narnia and end the show in an epic fashion.
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Well that was a dull dull dull episode. The last thirty seconds were the best part I guess.
Note to whoever cuts Snow's hair - PLEASE STOP. The pixie cuts were cute. This one looks like Snow just came back from basic training or something.
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I actually liked the fight. To simplistic though in the resolution of the feud and at least one Regina got a happy ending. The Nemo stuff could have played out better if they had let Gideon show up sooner. I wrote on twitter last night. Get rid of Gideon.
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I was just taking a stroll around the Once fan community and it sounds like Josh and Ginny have basically confirmed that they aren't coming back for a season seven except as possible guest stars 'if they ask us' and Lana is now hotly speculated to be out as well, which you can add to the already probable killing off of Rumple and the seemingly sketchy stuff about Jennifer leaving too.
If that's all true then only Colin remains of the main cast. Cue jokes about the new Captain Hook show. :16:
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They were shooting the last episode today. Picture of Ginn, Josh and baby Neal at a farm looking happy. Jared was looking solemn on the street at the volkswagon. Nothing of Regina.
As far as I know, negotiations are still ongoing
Putting some things here I saw today. Lana posted this originally - OUAT take off on Friends:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UL9ibAGNbbw
from Twitter
https://twitter.com/katmtan
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C8Gv2HjV4AA4OEh.jpg:large
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C8HsU8sUIAAbOzg.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C8HtMbvV0AEEq-F.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C8Hb7DTUMAAofHg.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C8Hrj2-V0AA-J3P.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C8HNrTLUMAE2_np.jpg
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Contract status: Colin signed, Jennifer signed part-time, Lana will sign with conditions. No word on Robert.
Also, I'm beginning to suspect multiple endings have been shot.
And a picture of Hook and Emma in a boat with Hook rowing it down stream has appeared. I thought it was a painting or Photoshopped but if it is either, it 'GOOD'.
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Okay -- what was really going on last night. Looked to be about Hook and started that way then suddenly we get Jasmine and Aladdin taking the story over. Cute yes, but what was the real significance of Ariel being there? And we could have used a good laugh from drunk Snow. And do I have to say how much I detest Gideon.
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I didn't watch this one until tonight. It was decent enough for an episode that had no Rumple and too much Hook. I actually enjoyed the Aladdin/Jasmine/Jafar story and I was surprised that they basically wrapped in up in one night which felt pleasingly season one of them. They even remembered that Jafar had been trapped in a genie lamp in Wonderland. Ariel worked as a sidekick for Jasmine and I think this fits into Ariel's timeline well (not that I spend a lot of time memorizing Ariel's timeline). All that worked. I may have rolled my eyes a bit at Hook's constant rejoinders about getting back to Emma, DUDE WE KNOW! The Hook/Liam2 scenes still feel awkward, probably because it was a stupid storyline. Nemo's great if a tad vague as a character. David's reaction to learning Hook killed his father... I don't know. I loved that twist for surprise's sake, but it's really pretty crappy and I wish they'd let David punch Hook in the face when he gets back, even if he forgives him right afterward, at least that would be some reaction and I doubt Hook would mind. The bar scenes were ok, enjoyed drunk Snow, although I have to ask with one of them always under the sleeping curse and the other usually tagging along with Emma... WHO IS WATCHING THE BABY???!!! The Aesop/barman twist with The Savior's tears... totally fooled me. I figured this was just more of the 'breaking down walls' stuff they do with Emma and in a way it was nice to see her cry, it felt right. Even if it was over an annoyingly over-featured pirate.
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It was a very good episode over all and did have the season one fill but the person playing Jasmine has been back on the set. I'm really suspecting a dual ending for this season -- the spoilers send to indicate it. Also, they refilmed the battle without Rumple's and Belle's presence but he was back on the set yesterday. And a new set it was. I'm wondering if they're moving in a different direction entirely if it returns. I know Jennifer will be back part-time, Colin is back, Lana is back but with stipulations and the only one of those four I haven't heard about is Robert. I'm hoping that the spoilers imply that Jared will be back. I don't want an older, disheartened "heart of the believer." Although Regina is supposed to get worried about a new angle the author takes.
Did you check out the spoilers pictures I sent.
And here is my latest blog on OUAT. It was supposed to be about the show but ended up about Gideon.
https://televisionchangesblog.com/2017/04/03/once-upon-a-time-have-i-mentioned/
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I sure did look at the photos you posted and I've been looking for more in the spoilers section at Once podcast trying to find out whether Rumple will live or not. So far no luck either way.
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This episode was kind of all over the place, but it was also filled with lots of little nuggets of story and a definite forward momentum that was appreciated.
LOVED that Rumbelle more or less stuck together throughout the episode. One of the worst annoyances I’ve had with Once over the last three seasons (as you know) has been the constant fighting between this pair that really should’ve been bright enough to find another way to communicate which I assume was fueled by the writers desire to make Gold darker because…
They thought they were redeeming too many villains?
They couldn’t figure out how to write Rumple as a gray character and keep him interesting (like he was in seasons 1-3)?
Fans complained that Belle was too weak a character and wanted her to have some ‘strength’? (note I do not consider yelling to be a sign of strength; quite the opposite.)
I was very surprised that Emma not only failed to defeat the spider, but that they had Rumple rescue her and help her defeat the spider! Looks like Gold's shiny new redemption arc is here to stay ...which makes me all the more afraid that they're going to kill him off. :03:
LOVE The Black Fairy as a villain. She really has a scary vibe. However I thought The Black fairy’s realm was lacking somehow. It was sort of a dark version of the dwarf mines with hammers instead of pickaxes, but even though it was dark, it somehow failed to be dark enough to really make me feel like THIS is truly the darkest of souls we’ve ever seen. QUESTION...If The Black Fairy is the original evil then she must be very old indeed, and if she’s trapped in her dark realm except for brief baby-napping jaunts… how exactly was Rumple conceived? I’m not asking for a visual Once, just a brief line of explanation would do.
All this stuff with Hook and Blackbeard felt like filler even though I did sort of enjoy seeing Blackbeard again; it’s always nice when someone waves to us from forgotten character island. I guess it was interesting to get a glimpse of a Pan-less Neverland, but like I said all of this stuff was unnecessary to the plot and only served to keep Hook onscreen.
The automatic writing from Henry… I’m not sure what this is. Again I do enjoy a wave form a forgotten character, but I’m not sure how I feel about this one. One more sign that the show (at least as we know it) is wrapping up this season.
The one real sore spot from my perspective is the continued hypocrisy from the Charmings. I get that Gideon threatened their daughter, but but literally every villain on this show does that! (probably overstating a bit there) and every villain they try to redeem and find another way, even with Regina who... look just watch seasons one and two again. Anyway I hated seeing Snow act like Rumbelle should just stand aside and watch as they kill their only child (does she even remember when her daughter was THE DARK ONE and she her husband were falling all over themselves to save her from her darkness and expecting everyone to help THEM no matter what she did? I LOVED that both Belle and Rumple stood up for Gideon. After the last few seasons I half expected Belle to walk out with The Charmings after Rumple threatened them. Threatening a hero doesn’t make you a villain when you’re only doing EXACTLY WHAT these so called heroes do when people they deem worthy have problems like this… and what happened to heroes ‘always finding another way’ (than killing)?
I was annoyed by Gideon through most of this because I was sure he was going to betray Emma and I prefer the lighter gray version of my Stiltskins. But I do appreciate that the show found a way to (sort of) fix all the weird confusing things about Gideon by using a simple heart control dynamic and I honestly could kick myself for not seeing that one coming.
Also on a death count note - I think the only death in this was when BF squashed Gideon's old (and only) book club member.
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Okay - let's dea l with your before going on to mine.
Loved Rumple/Belle acting as a team but they team should have been wider. Yes, the Charmings were acting like hypocrites but I see everything from now on as a way of (a) exiting players and (b) moving players ahead. Snow/Charming wake from the sleep curse evidently next week and have to make some decisions. Here's where it looks to be going. They have to decide whether to alter the past so Emma isn't the Savior. She was born to defeat the Black Fairy so what are they going to do, stop her from being born. I don't think that once she came into the world, she could stop being the savior.
Regarding Emma and the Spider: As I see it, she never had a chance to defeat it. She thought it was from the Black Fairy, an unknown entity. While it was from the Black Fairy, it was also the gift of Gideon. I'll get to him in a minute.
Now about the Black Fairy question on how she could conceive Rumple, I'll go one better. I'll answer yours first. We know that the fairy can change. If a fairy gets pregnant (and I'm sure Black like a good time), she may be earth bound until she gives birth. So once she gave birth to Rumple, she was free and clear to revert to form and leave whenever she wanted.
Hook/Blackbeard: This was the "C" story and only served to get Neverland behind us for good. It also allowed them to bring in Tiger Lilly who we haven't yet seen.
My big problems: The author and the heart yank. Are you getting as tired as I am of having the heart pulled out every since time they want to control someone. Fairies should be able to do that in another way -- or at least they are according to Torchwood. The author got shipped out of town. Boy, you should have been on twitter. TVLine immediately called them on the "Hamilton" ticket angle. Then Adam Horowitz said the show is 13 months behind us. Still not timeline accurate (I don't think since Henry's supposed to be in middle school but is really 16). The time flux was running rabid on twitter so I added that we needed a TARDIS so portals were no longer necessary.
I was annoyed by Gideon through most of this because I was sure he was going to betray Emma and I prefer the lighter gray version of my Stiltskins. But I do appreciate that the show found a way to (sort of) fix all the weird confusing things about Gideon by using a simple heart control dynamic and I honestly could kick myself for not seeing that one coming.
This is setting it up for us to forgive Gideon because he was being controlled by his "mother." I've already stated I hated the heart grabbed and she could have used something else. By the way, did you see a heart when she came through to Storybrooke? I didn't. This is setting up two angles. I've always wondered if you kill someone without a heart if they're really dead. I know Robert was back on set and it looked like the set with either the Author's Mansion or maybe a light version of Black Fairie's realm. Could he be going to get Gideon's heart so he will return to life?
By the way -- The actress who plays "Blue" announced her departure from the show last week.
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Well that episode was... Crap? I guess I sort of enjoyed some of the first season references and a bit of the visit to the cursed era was nice, but the rest was so bad.
Forgetting potions are like the little blinking lights this show adds onto crap episodes to highlight the crap. Having team Charming wake up ten years into the curse and then chose not to raise Emma and forget everything is such a frustratingly stupid idea.
As for the evil pixie flower that grows where evil feet tread and yet despite all the evil tramping through Storybrooke over the years this flower has only appeared twice once ten years into the 1st dark curse and now... More crap.
Emma chooses Hook over her folks... No surprise there after she dragged them all to hell last season to save her stupid pirate.
And to cap it all off now the whole town can share a sleeping curse to wake up team charming? That just doesn't work logically for me.
the highlight of the show was probably Hook cutting off his shadow and getting pummeled by lost boys.
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I should probably add that I did enjoy the scene between Rumple and Black Fairy where he confronts her about Gideon's heart. Thank goodness someone was paying attention.
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There were some nice moments but I saw this as the perennial "goodbye" for Snow and Charming. They even mentioned wanting the farm house where in the "spoilers" they go to with baby Neal.
Emma choose to get Hook because that's what Snow wanted. Stupid, I thought but whatever is in the Adam and Eddy's mind hasn't made sense since season 4.
Somehow I think the son is going to prove stronger than the mom. Will it turn him completely good, who knows? But they evidently filmed two version of the aftermath of the fight. One with Rumple/Belle there and one without. And evidently it happens soom after the wedding as Charming and Snow are in formal dress. And wouldn't Charming at least have punched Hook in the nose???
On another note -- here's an article on the big musical. It's the wedding episode (another dumb move I suppose).
http://www.etonline.com/tv/215327_once_upon_a_time_hook_emma_wedding_musical_episode_jennifer_morrison_colin_odonoghue/
http://tvline.com/2017/04/16/once-upon-a-time-wedding-emma-hook-preview/
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Yeah I've seen the poster for the musical episode already... -Fistshaking-
(http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u4/Outlasts/Photos%20for%20Dearies/Emotive%20GIFS/2013%20OUAT%20FanGIF%20Rumple%20Whatever_zpsb5jgwlk4.gif) (http://s164.photobucket.com/user/Outlasts/media/Photos%20for%20Dearies/Emotive%20GIFS/2013%20OUAT%20FanGIF%20Rumple%20Whatever_zpsb5jgwlk4.gif.html)
And though I only just posted this in the general OUAT thread here a link to a better story Once told back when the writers cared...
http://boushh2187.tumblr.com/post/159075343259/cruella-cassidyswan-its-like-poetry-yes
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I just had a friend in my office. Guess what is being talked -- writer's strike. Her brother belongs to the guild.
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A writers strike? What for better writers? -rollinglaugh-
Don't mind me I'm just grumpy that all of Once seems to be centered on Hook now and that's such a frustrating direction after rewatching those first three seasons.
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They talk about Jennifer going part-time. Hasn't that what most of the cast (Jennifer, Ginnifer, Josh, and Robert) been part-time this year.
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A couple of things leaked yesterday.
The wedding will be the musical episode (and I know that Colin broke his foot during a dancing scene).
The final battle is part of the musical episode (but I ask how much of it?).
Jennifer cut her hair I would say about chin length. Not a bad look for fly away.
And on another note -- where did they get her clothing this year? While her wedding dress is pretty, it's not what I would imagine the Princess would wear.
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This episode was pretty decent I guess. I didn't care for the Oz stuff it just didn't click for me. I think it was basically a nod to the movie by throwing in The Tin Man and the Cowardly Lion for us, probably because this is the end for OZ and they wanted to cover all the high;lights before they closed the book on it.
I did not need to see Hook and Emma making out. I still don't see the appeal. I did love Snow bursting in full of uncontrollable excitement about planning the wedding.
I still don't know what's up with The Author stuff.
I liked that Belle and Gold continue to be a team.
Sucks that Belle is basically the babysitter on call (Granny is probably watching Neal 24/7 now since we never see him), but at least she got to have mommy feelings and commiserate with Rumple about the time they lost with their son. Again I love that they're together on this, but I do kind of want Belle to apologize because a big hunk of this is her fault for sending the baby away in the first place.
Please note that 'the heroes' and especially Regina were awful to Zelena this entire episode and while I agree that Zelena going off after The Black Fairy like that was a rash and stupid thing to do... I don't think Regina yelling at Zelena in that way was helpful in the least. In the end I think Zelena showed more heroics in the last five minutes of this episodes than Regina in the last six seasons. She gave up her magic, which until she had her baby, was the most important thing in the world to her. And she did it to help her sister, the same sister who has treated her like crap for most of their time together. Zelena just gave up more than almost any other character has ever been willing to do (Rumple died to same his family/the town so I'll give him the gold star there, even though giving up magic has never been a thing he could do) and that was a pretty darn big deal. I haven't in the least forgotten what she did to Baelfire, but I do sort of wish her well at this point.
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Please note that 'the heroes' and especially Regina were awful to Zelena this entire episode and while I agree that Zelena going off after The Black Fairy like that was a rash and stupid thing to do... I don't think Regina yelling at Zelena in that way was helpful in the least. In the end I think Zelena showed more heroics in the last five minutes of this episodes than Regina in the last six seasons. She gave up her magic, which until she had her baby, was the most important thing in the world to her. And she did it to help her sister, the same sister who has treated her like crap for most of their time together. Zelena just gave up more than almost any other character has ever been willing to do (Rumple died to same his family/the town so I'll give him the gold star there, even though giving up magic has never been a thing he could do) and that was a pretty darn big deal. I haven't in the least forgotten what she did to Baelfire, but I do sort of wish her well at this point.
Zelena's Storybrooke story was the best part of the whole thing. Giving up her magic, but with Regina and Emma there for support, was amazing and I said so on Twitter last night. The one thing though is while she gave up her "green magic" I can't help but wonder if something major has changed. This was the "crimson heart" after all that would save a person. If the thing it did was just to turn the Black Fairy's plan awry, it wasn't complete. I think it will play somehow into the final battle and I know that Zelena is there standing beside Regina. What if the power that Zelena got was more pure and giving than any that she had before.
I don't quite agree with your assessment of the heroes. She didn't show her best side in Hades but I think all but Regina were more forgiving after that. Plus, Emma more or less sees her as a part of the heroes -- maybe not fully engaged but there.
This whole thing smacks of the end of the show. I don't care what Adam or Eddy say. Would they have let Jennifer cut her hair in that new style if they were going to continue. And don't use "It can grow back during the Writer's Strike" because no one knows how long that will last.
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I just don’t know how to feel at the moment. I loved the first ten – fifteen minutes right up until they said Rumple was prophesied to die… then my heart dropped into my shoes. Even though I knew it was likely I still held onto hope and right about now that hope is starting to shrink to mustard seed dimensions.
The Black Fairy backstory was different than I expected because she started out human rather than fairy, but that twist was unexpected for a reason IT MAKES NO SENSE. Based on how Black and everyone who knows Black talks about her she sounded like an ancient evil type and it makes zip sense that she’s barely older than Rumple. Add to that her sudden affection for Rumple once he knows her secret feels as bizarre as Emma ridicules behavior in season five when she was hiding the double dark one thing. So one minute BF wants to kill everyone and delights in torturing Rumple and his son and as soon her her big secret is out she’s all mummy loves you again? I don’t get it.
BF was basically a good women corrupted by magic (some kind of dark fairy thing that happens when fairies dabble with dark magic instead of light, paralleling Rumple and The Dark One curse) and the need to protect her son at all costs up until the point it might cost her her newly acquired (really how long had she even been a fairy judging by the size of baby Rumple when the fairies dumped him on Malcolm) power and after only like a month of being fairy powerful she couldn’t stand the idea of being human again even if that would’ve saved her son? I’m just a bit confused here. Granted my satellite TV when out for a minute or so while BF and Rumple were having their big chat so maybe I am missing something somewhere.
It's nice that Belle is back to the good version and not the screamy version but I do wish they could erase all the nonsensical screaming she did at Rumple in the last few seasons.
It's also nice that Emma sort of recognized the parallels between her life and Rumple's, it just sucks that she hasn't said so sooner and, you know, tried to befriend him like she did literally every other villain that lived in or passed through that town. Now that Rumple's lied to her about the BF being dead I'm sure she'll go right back to hating him, even though she and her parents have done an awful lot of bad things in the name of family too.
I'm sure Rumple has some kind of plan going on, but I don't understand it and I'm very afraid that this will all end in tears...MINE! :03:
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I just don’t know how to feel at the moment. I loved the first ten – fifteen minutes right up until they said Rumple was prophesied to die… then my heart dropped into my shoes. Even though I knew it was likely I still held onto hope and right about now that hope is starting to shrink to mustard seed dimensions.
Set up a different story didn't it. Likewise, loved this part.
The Black Fairy backstory was different than I expected because she started out human rather than fairy, but that twist was unexpected for a reason IT MAKES NO SENSE. Based on how Black and everyone who knows Black talks about her she sounded like an ancient evil type and it makes zip sense that she’s barely older than Rumple. Add to that her sudden affection for Rumple once he knows her secret feels as bizarre as Emma ridicules behavior in season five when she was hiding the double dark one thing. So one minute BF wants to kill everyone and delights in torturing Rumple and his son and as soon her her big secret is out she’s all mummy loves you again? I don’t get it.
This makes no sense on several levels. Here's my take.
We know Rumple is older than everyone else on the show. My thoughts is that she changed relatively young and "fairy power" keeps you young. We know Rumple grew up as a natural human but he turned to the dark side at an older age. Thus their ages are similar. We also know that Rumple has had a long life -- how long is the question -- so I'll give the writers that.
From there, it goes downhill.
a. If her son is the savior, then why is Gideon supposed to defeat, Emma, the savior.
b. If Rumple is the "savior" but now is "dark," is Gideon confused on who he is to fight.
c. What did Rumple do to get the heart back?
d. Are we sure it is the right heart?
e. The change of heart of Black Fairy is ridiculous. She could have stolen Neil and done this so much earlier. Does she think that having the dark one on her side will make her more powerful?
BF was basically a good women corrupted by magic (some kind of dark fairy thing that happens when fairies dabble with dark magic instead of light, paralleling Rumple and The Dark One curse) and the need to protect her son at all costs up until the point it might cost her her newly acquired (really how long had she even been a fairy judging by the size of baby Rumple when the fairies dumped him on Malcolm) power and after only like a month of being fairy powerful she couldn’t stand the idea of being human again even if that would’ve saved her son? I’m just a bit confused here. Granted my satellite TV when out for a minute or so while BF and Rumple were having their big chat so maybe I am missing something somewhere.
All magic comes with a price, dearie. In her case the price was power. She wants things both ways which magic doesn't allow.
It's also nice that Emma sort of recognized the parallels between her life and Rumple's, it just sucks that she hasn't said so sooner and, you know, tried to befriend him like she did literally every other villain that lived in or passed through that town. Now that Rumple's lied to her about the BF being dead I'm sure she'll go right back to hating him, even though she and her parents have done an awful lot of bad things in the name of family too.
I'm sure Rumple has some kind of plan going on, but I don't understand it and I'm very afraid that this will all end in tears...MINE! :03:
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My question is how did the Black Fairy get Rumple to concede. We didn't see that. Also, I think two different battle scenes has been shot -- one with Belle/Rumple, one without. This all opens up some possibilities for season 7 which I'll give you later.
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From there, it goes downhill.
a. If her son is the savior, then why is Gideon supposed to defeat, Emma, the savior.
b. If Rumple is the "savior" but now is "dark," is Gideon confused on who he is to fight.
c. What did Rumple do to get the heart back?
d. Are we sure it is the right heart?
e. The change of heart of Black Fairy is ridiculous. She could have stolen Neil and done this so much earlier. Does she think that having the dark one on her side will make her more powerful?
a. I'm not sure, but I think maybe all this stuff about Gideon defeating the Savior to become the Savior is nothing but a ruse Black Fairy used on him to get him to do things. She already had his heart by the time any of this happened so for all we know she was controlling everything to do with Gideon since he arrived.
b. BF 'cut' Rumple's Savior destiny, so I'd say he was no longer the Savior, though I do like to believe that he could become one in the end by being the person Merlin prophesied that could wield both light and dark magic (or whatever he said. Guess I should've looked that one up).
c. I guess BF just gave it to him. Again I do not understand this immediate change from evil incarnate to mummy dearest.
d. I'd guess so, but you never know on this show.
e. I have no idea. Maybe I should try and re-watch at some point this week and see if I'm more confused afterwards or less.
I just so wish this whole show could be re-written and re-arranged until it was the perfect little gem of a show that it really should have been.
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Song reviews!
charmings opening song - sappy, but very enjoyable. It fit in very well with the original storyline too.
Regina's song - very rock and roll. I loved all of it minus the b word which kind of ruins the replay value for me.
Hooks song - very enjoyable. A bit Gastonish in a villain dancing in a tavern, but I thought it was good.
Zelena's song - I liked it, but the sweet tone didn't match the lyrics. It was probably the weakest because it didn't feel as perfectly in character as the other three did.
On the actual episode content...
Enchanted Forest Past
Oh gee once again The Charmings are happy to turn Rumple over to be 'skinned', but Snow can't bring herself to execute Regina who actually murdered her father and tried to murder her... Rumple actually helped The Charmings. Even if it was for his own purposes.
In the present
Not crazy about Hook threatening to kill Rumple again. Always have hated the double standard regarding family. Charmings can protect their family at any cost, even the egg baby, but the Stiltskins don't get that leniency. At the same time I still don't buy that The Black Fairy is 'good at heart' or whatever they were trying to say in the last episode.
Having Emma's song break the frozen family curse (or whatever you call it) was fine with me. The wedding was ok I guess. I was glad to see Baby Neil was alive and well. Can't help picturing the real Neil as the groom though. :(
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Overall considering all the dribble we got before. Zelena's works best when you listen to it on replay. I'll have to relisten to Regina's tomorrow but I have to admit, I loved Hook's and Emma's and the ending. I guess it is because I love musical theater and this episode was very much like one but the story did fit in.
Here's my big question from tonight: If the Charmings knew Hook from before, why haven't we seen hints of it before now.
And I'm wondering if all that garbage about the Emma, Hook and Regina finding each other in season 7 is this year's ending episode with the final battle in the final minutes.
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Here's my big question from tonight: If the Charmings knew Hook from before, why haven't we seen hints of it before now.
I just assumed the sweeping memory potion was implied. You're absolutely right that The Charmings met Hook for the first time in season two and not as implied in a tavern pre-dark curse.
I'll re-watch Zelena's song tomorrow and see if I like it better. I did really enjoy all the musical stuff in this episode though.
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You know this was such a good episode for them to let some thing slip through the cracks. Don't they have a continuity person?
More tomorrow.
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It sounds like Bobby was at a convention of some kind and said the character/actor he misses the most is Neil and that he still thinks it's a mistake that they killed him off... PREACH IT BOBBY!!!!
https://oncepodcast.com/forums/topic/emma-baelfire-swanfire/page/2545/
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So agree -- Neal was a death not needed.
Here's a link to EW's discussion of the Final Battle.
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/once-a-time-season-6-finale-cast-departures-1000089
http://www.tvguide.com/news/once-upon-a-time-season-6-finale-preview-adam-horowitz-eddy-kitsis/
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And now Morrison has announced her departure. It looks like Henry will be given a reason to leave as the show ends too. Spoiler pictures of him saying goodbye to his moms.
http://tvline.com/2017/05/08/jennifer-morrison-leaving-once-upon-a-time-season-6/
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Wow. That one pretty much signs the shows deathknell. -SPLAT-
I mean who is even left for season seven at this point?
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They are saying it will be built around Colin, Lana, and Robert. All three will commit in some form. Plus the two newbies. But will they be able to keep old fans is the question.
I'm not liking what I'm seeing -- the Black Fairy as mayor. Memories lost. The heroes plus Zelena now stuck in a crumbling Enchanted Forest????
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Wait now Bobby is staying?! Is that confirmed because I just read something that said Emilie (and Jared) was out so that doesn't make sense. Could all of this be disinformation at this point?
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I found this on sound cloud. It's a bunch of clips from RC's interview at a UK convention.
https://soundcloud.com/noora-rashti
It's hard to hear because the crowd is louder than RC so I had to turn it up. He answered several Once questions including:
Which other role would be play if he couldn't be Rumple: Evil Queen
Which character do you wish they'd bring back from the dead: Baelfire. It made him really sad when he was killed off and he still thinks it was a mistake.
Which Disney princess would he be: Belle. Because he loves her and because she's his wife and he has to say that.
Will you grow your hair back: It takes time, but yes.
What's Mr. Gold's first name (in Storybrooke): Barbara? :D
Would he rather play The Doctor or The Master: He doesn't really answer this question, but complements Peter Capaldi and basically says that both would be great, but it's definitely not happening right now (which could help confirm that he will be back for Once season 7)
He also answered a question about his onscreen parents and he mentions that all three actors playing his parents (Black Fairy, Pan and Malcolm) are younger then him which is really weird.
He also mentions that he gets annoyed sometimes at what Rumple's doing too. He doesn't always understand why he (Rumple) is doing things. You and us both Bobby! :043:
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Amen to the last one.
I'm beginning to wonder if network television (original 5) are trying to kill their networks off. Did you hear the latest. ABC is reviving American Idol with a potential slot on Sunday night?????
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Scripted TV is dying if you ask me. I hardly watch any scripted shows anymore, just Once & Doctor Who (both of which annoy me more than I'd like) and a few sitcoms I guess, but even those I wouldn't really miss. I watch stuff off PBS still (Midwives, masterpiece stuff). The rest is pretty much game shows and history/science channel stuff.
If the TV industry is trying to drive me further into books... they're succeeding.
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Well I'm not exactly enthusiastic about Once getting renewed due to the near constant suckage of the last few season, but I was very happy to see Robert Carlyle is officially signed on for... Whatever this new thing will be (one wonders exactly how much money they threw at him to get him onboard when he's been relatively honest in public with his dissatisfaction over the show and desire to move on). Sounds like Belle is out though so that's disturbing. But I'm also hearing that there may big a big time jump of some kind so maybe it will be like everyone gets a happy ending of some kind and Rumbelle live happily ever after until like Heather and Conner in Highlander, Belle dies of old age in Rumple's arms and he buries her on a hill with his dagger or something. Then season seven can feature all new Stiltskins! Rumbelle babies Novel, Paige, Tome, the twins Chapter and Verse (pause to giggle) and some grand babies Stiltskins too! But how would that work with Hook and Regina? Is Regina immortal? Is Hook? Hook was human and was only supposed to have lived so long through frequent stays in Neverland, but he was recently a Dark One... But if being a former Dark One can make you immortal, why is Emma gone in this future? Regina at least has magic so that could account for her longevity. Maybe we'll finally see the Hook and Regina pairing I've been saying would've made sense.
-loll
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And it is official -- no more Belle, Henry, Snow, Charming or Zelena. See this article.
http://ew.com/tv/2017/05/12/once-upon-time-ginnifer-goodwin-josh-dallas-emilie-de-ravin-jared-gilmore-exit/?xid=entertainment-weekly_socialflow_twitter
You know, I hate the exit of these characters. I don't blame the show suckiness as you put it on them. I blame it on the writers who just couldn't get their act together. And I put the blame more specifically on Dungey who is an idiot.
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At the end of the day it is always the writers who make or break a show. Re-watching some of the Merlin/Camelot stuff I can see that was something there and I think Merlin, Excalibur and The Dark Ones could've been a great storyline if they'd just changed a few things and written it better. Emma being a Dark One could've been awesome to watch, but it sort of fell flat.
This season with The Black Fairy could've been a truly epic final battle between good and evil and they just kind of fizzled her character in her central episode. An ancient evil Black Fairy who was somehow involved at the beginning of dark magic (which I think Once sort of says was when Nimue drank from The Holy Grail and then murdered a bad guy) and somehow still managed to have a child and stay evil and abandon him to keep getting her evil on in the dark realm... it just sounds better. The way things worked out Dark Fairy was banished about two seconds after she became the dark fairy so why she's such a threat I don't know. Apparently shes been baby 'napping for centuries to mine her fairy dust and indulge her dark mommy desires. Basically it sounds like she's killed about as many people as Belle has at this point and why she's the most evilist ever baffled the mind.
I am hearing now that the leading contender for season seven is... THE WISH REALM. That's right in a land created by a wish where Rumple is stark staring mad after 30 years behind bars and finding Belle starved to death, Hook and old and fat and Regina is living out life with her sort of true(ish) love Robin (not that Robin!) Hood. Weird right?
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There's always glimmers of greatness even in the bad (except Season Two). Frozen had hints of it. Oz had a lot of hope which reach most of it potential but like season two, they just couldn't pull it off. I wonder if the networks influence, Disney influence, or LOST mindset caused the problems.
One more thing to ponder. The building where the store the props in Stevenson Canada has been put up for lease. No more Canada??
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I'm going on and saying this -- a mental hospital -- REALLY1 Edgar Allan Poe -- NOT.
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Nurse Fletcher -- your patient is missing.
Please already...let's move this along. It's okay but not what I want -- especially in regard to Belle.
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Black Fairy, dearie, I am not amused.
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This episode is quickly going to C range. Here's my problems
a. No Belle
b. Mental hospital
c. Rumple with no memory
d. Maleficiet.
e. Fake pictures by BF.
f. Get this battle over with so this BF can go bye-bye
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Well Rumple is faking it. Henry is ready to fight.
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It's starting to get better. LOVED Rumple taking down mummy dearest.
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I know -- but he has killed both his parents now.
But the first hour and a half was bad.
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Evil Rumple is back but who is stronger. Rumple the savior or Rumple the Devil -- channeling lost here.
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Ah, Rumple and Belle have their baby back.
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Happy tears!
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Come offit -- DaVinci's the Last Supper -- REALLY.
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And a Henry in the future with a daughter whose family needs him????? GO to EW for DETAILS.
LOST lives but as Once. Look of PopCultWriter -- that's me on Twitter.
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LUCY! LM... LUCY!!!!
Maybe we're finally getting Narnia after all! :Woot_Emoticon:
Also I'm thinking that girl isn't our Henry's child at all, but rather King Henry's child from the wish realm. Could be anyway. So much stuff to process.
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As for the finale itself… there were moments I liked, but overall I thought the first half was too slow and as much as I loved seeing Rumple take out mummy dearest… it was a bit too easy.
Also there are the plot-hole/quibbles in far too great abundance like why did Gideon suddenly become a baby? Why did Belle need to sprain her ankle at that moment? Why did the realms start to disappear just because Emma stopped believing when that was totally never a thing? How the blooming heck did Charming and Hook survive that fall? I’m sure there are more I’m passing over if I think harder.
As for what I did like… I loved the ending montage. All the happy beginnings and especially that long awaited family dinner where everyone actually seemed to care about each other. Though the Last Supper layout was a bit to much.
I’m actually kind of happy right now. Maybe this wasn’t the best episode of Once ever, but the ending left me all warm and fuzzy and I’m kind of looking forward to season seven now. Weirdly.
Let Once: The Next Generation begin!
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If we are heading toward Narnia, I will be one happy camper. Lucy is great The wish realm is where Henry did exist and would have been king.
One thing I like is that Evil Regina redeemed herself and that she and Robin were stealing from the rich and giving to the poor. Best thing there.
The last montage was great. I'd add the battle because Emma realized she had to die to correct everything. And the kiss from Henry echoed back to season one. Part of it did.
I think what ticked me off the most about the Last Supper picture was that they used it with LOST also. Here it is. Of course, this had the Savior wrong and the Judas wrong.
https://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/lostpedia/images/b/b2/Lastsupper.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20100117063640
The Once had the savior right but made Judas Granny. Even stretching it to family, it would be baby Neil and I won't buy that.
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And speaking of Granny -- she's on Twitter saying onward to season seven -- oh no! Did I guess a plot device?
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So... Granny will still be alive and kicking 15-20 years later (when Henry is grown up enough to have a 10 year old)? Well I guess she could be only 55-60 in actual age so she could still be there or there could be a weird timey-whimey plot device introduced.
There seem to be tons of new articles about Once out now so let's try to read as many as we can and see what can be gleaned about season seven.
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Will do. Meetings here come first though.