The Reality Buzz
Non- Reality => Non Reality => Topic started by: Outlast on May 23, 2014, 07:48:51 AM
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Any other OUAT fans out there?
I just watched Frozen for the first time last night to prepare for season four. Awesome movie btw. I've had, 'Let It Go', stuck in my head ever since. :great:
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Let it go is on replay at work all the time lol
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I heard that song once at the movies, and that was enough!
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I have not watched Once Upon a Time but thanks for mentioning Frozen. Now I have that song stuck in my head!! LOL
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We'll I'm a Johnny-come-lately to 'Let It Go' so I still love it, but I'll try not to hum it too loud and get it stuck in any of your heads again. :-X
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Outtie--did you know that the actor who plays Rumpelstiltskin (sp?) starred in "The Full Monty?" Hilarious movie! Anyone who hasn't seen it should rent it.
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He also starred in Stargate Universe, which is where I first noticed him.
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I'd seen him before in Ravenous, but I didn't notice his name then.
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And of course I bought the Full Monty soon after SGU started.
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I ahem... may have a little crush. :67:
and a serious gif addiction.
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The Prankster gets the picture,
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If someone had told me that was how the Snow Queen arc was going to end before-hand, I think I would've said it was lame. But I got kinda teary watching it unfold. I think I like this ending after all.
Can't wait for next week when Cruella, skinny Ursula and all the rest invade Storybrooke (escapees from Rumple's hat?).
Out with Frozen, in with a full hour of Rumple! (I hope!) :Woot_Emoticon:
...btw I love Elsa far more than Anna in the Frozen movie, but in OUAT Anna is the best of Arendale by far. Her fiancee is pretty cool too. I'll miss the pair of you! kiss1
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I sat there and tears ran down my face. Not only did Ingrid love Emma but she wanted to help her when Emma was a child and lost. I'm not even a big fan of Elizabeth but she deserves major kudos for this piece of work.
In some ways it wasn't what I expected. It seemed to be out of synch but it worked so well in the end. Villains can do good once they see that people loved them.
I hate to actually see Elsa, Anna and Kris leave. I think they'd add a dimension to the story. And here's a new wrinkle. If that mirror will take them back to Arrendelle, why won't it take those who want to return back to the Enchanted Forest.
I've heard rumors that the other villains come looking for a happy ending too. I hope Regina doesn't go in with them. I like the idea they pop out of Rumple's hat. Hadn't seen anything about that and I know part of the filming appears to be in the "Enchanted Forest." Here's one for you. How did Cruella get with Ursula?
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How did Cruella get with Ursula?
Maybe before the puppies Cruella had a yen for an octopus skin coat? 87873
But I like idea that they were all in the hat (collected there by the Sorcerer?).
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Ursula and Cruella decided to see how the other half lived????
And Ursula and Regina could feud easily. I see Regina as being good again.
I think they're looking for the author too. I'm thinking "August" will definitely return. After all, he wouldn't respond to his papa on Sunday's show.
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From Entertainment Weekly regarding Rumple.
It seems like Rumple is pretty much going full evil again when we end the first half of the season. Will they be working with him?
KITSIS: The winter finale is going to set that up.
HOROWITZ: I don’t know if Rumple is ever full evil. Full evil implies a loss of humanity, and I think that as dark as Rumple gets, there’s still humanity in him that is struggling with the evil. That’s something we’re going to explore.
KITSIS: Rumple likes to think that the ends justify the means. He’s willing to do things to get what he wants, but most people won’t. In his mind, that doesn’t make him evil. He’s not cruel. He doesn’t destroy people’s lives for no reason. It’s usually because they owe him.
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Rumple will never be evil to me. :)
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Love this -- where did you find it?
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I really don't remember anymore. I found it just after last Christmas. Probably at one of a couple of fansites I visit to 'er borrow gifs. :)
I'll send you the links as soon as I find them. :039:
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btw I've started to believe that the whole reason they wrote in that adultery subplot between Robin and Regina is so that Regina can have a baby. Re-watching it you just have to wonder why a so-called family show would have a scene like that and the only scene I can compare it too is the episode 'Bleeding Through' where Cora conceives Zelena out-of-wedlock with a gardener prince and a straw ring.
Dang it I wanted it to be Belle that had a baby next season! :(
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Okay -on the gifs.
I'm not sure if they're make Regina pregnant or not. It may be that the "one true love" somehow has to play to defeat the big baddies of season 4b. Maybe Marian is a big baddie too. This may get very interesting.
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Very good season finale. I'm sure you're not happy though.
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Not. Happy. At. All.
I'm upset about how Rumple was treated, which probably is no shock. :73:
I'm also upset about the (continuing) Robin & Regina stuff because they are devaluing marriage so much there. The best thing for Roland is for his dad to be happy? Isn't the best thing for Roland that his dad love his mother? And the podcast I'm listening too just said and I quote 'Marion had her time with him (Robin)'. ...what the heck? She had her time with him? What is he a children's toy that needs to be shared equally? AfterBuzz I'm dropping you. :banghead: This is not ok to me anymore than that stuff in season one with David, Mary Margaret and Katherine was ok. At least they were cursed!
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Calm down. I figure Robin is gone for good but who knows. Now that he's out of Storybrooke, he can forget Regina and she can find someone else. I'm not happy with the way that whole thing played out either and thought it was a bad plot device. I guess there was no one they wanted to freeze in Storybrooke so had to add a character to do it.
Regarding Rumple -- the one saving feature is that Belle has the dagger. She can maybe turn him once she gets over (if she does) her anger. Did she look preggies to you? I thought maybe she looked like she was expecting. There are two ways to see it. She could have used the dagger to keep him in Storybrooke and control him yes but he might turn on her for good. She can send him off to learn his lesson and hope he returns more gentle. And at the rate they're going with Regina, Rumple's the only permanent villain they have.
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I should probably plug the Noodle.mx OUAT podcast because it also does a podcast right after the show and it was excellent.
I knew that Rumple wouldn't get to cleave himself of the dagger as soon as it was clear that he had to kill Hook to do so. But Belle showing up in a rage because the gauntlet led her to the real dagger I didn't like. That gauntlet leads you to a persons greatest weakness, so of course it led her to the dagger. A weakness he was about to purge if she hadn't stopped him. She acted like this meant he didn't love her and that's not true at all.
I wish I could rewrite this scene and have Belle wake up to Rumple telling her, hey guess what sweetheart! I've cleaved myself from the dagger and no one can ever force me to do bad things ever again! Oh and in totally unrelated news the filthy pirate who shot you in the back is dead. :great:
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Ah, happier times...
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New announcement for 4-B
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/once-a-time-sets-pinocchios-759340
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Wow. I wonder how they'll bring him back since he's supposed to be a little boy again. I hope it isn't just in flashbacks!
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OUAT returns tonight on ABC!!!!!
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Here's hoping the second half of season four is better than the finale of the first half!
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Not sure how I'm liking turning Emma evil. She's the Savior! More later.
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moving swiftly on to page 3...
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Cruella is kind of awesome. As was the scene with Rumple wondering around in a robe and eating Ramon. I loved the bit about him (Rumple) being the Oxford prof who translated the spell for Belle.
HATE HATE HATE the scene with Belle and Hook where Belle barely seems to care about Rumple. Even worse is the spoiler they've teased about Belle hooking up with Will Scarlet. :banghead:
There is an episode coming up titled 'Mother' so I'm calling my old predication up about Regina being pregnant and that's why they focused so much on the horrible adultery scene between her and Robin Hood.
The ending with the Charmings confronting Cruella & Ursula about some secret was unexpected and mysterious. But it's hard to imagine it could be a very good secret from the supposedly pure of heart Snow (pre-Cora murder) and actually fairly pure of heart Charming. (I like Charming).
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I'm intrigued by the possible Emma turn. The commercials they showed where she was making a kind of evil face were chilling in the best way. I think she would make a great villain, but they need to go all the way with it if they're going to do it. Don't just have her toy with wickedness for an episode or two and then decide to be good. We need a good villain on this show who isn't constantly under pressure to be good all the time. We have plenty of those villains already. Think Peter Pan. A villain with no redeeming qualities whatsoever, who the heroes & semi-villains will have to team up to defeat.
I don't know. It's probably not going to be awesome whatever they actually do with it. That's kind of how I feel about OUAT right now.
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Actually, I watched Frozen the other night and think OUAT did an awesome job with 4A. What I don't like is dealing with the villains. I'm not happy with trying to turn Emma to the dark side. It's like Darth Vader trying to turn Luke.
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You know what I think (ok hope)? That scene with Belle and Will Scarlett in the pawn shop window... totally fake! It's just the 'queens of darkness' messing with/getting even with Gold. Please let that be it!
Other than the horrible pawn shop window scene, I liked the episode a lot. The Charmings secret turned out to be a good one, rather than just a lame one and I certainly didn't see the evil baby coming.
New questions:
1. What happened to the baby? I'm assuming it wasn't killed (Charmings did it after all). My assumption is that they traded it to Rumple for some in-utero protection for Emma against becoming super evil. I've also read a theory that the Charmings sent the baby through to our world (through the magic wardrobe) and that the baby became Lily. That makes sense to me too.
2. Where is the baby now? Rumple does have a history of selling babies to childless monarchs... Belle doesn't have any siblings now does she? oh. my. gosh. :-\
OK probably not. :D
Perhaps the child somehow became the author? Less fun and probably not since you'd think the author would have to be a very old character indeed, although who knows?
Most likely the internet is right and the baby is Lily. Yawn.
3. Who is the baby's father? It could be utterly insignificant (like Zelena's worthless unmagical father), but it would be a lot more fun if it was someone we already know. Maybe 'The Dragon' Tamara killed back in season 2 in (the recently mentioned) Phuket? Dragon & Maleficent ... it would be rather fitting.
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New questions:
1. What happened to the baby? I'm assuming it wasn't killed (Charmings did it after all). My assumption is that they traded it to Rumple for some in-utero protection for Emma against becoming super evil. I've also read a theory that the Charmings sent the baby through to our world (through the magic wardrob[e) and that the baby became Lily. That makes sense to me too.[/quote]
I wondered the same thing. I don't know how they would get their hands on that baby. Stephanie, my student worker, thinks it is Aurora.
2. Where is the baby now? Rumple does have a history of selling babies to childless monarchs... Belle doesn't have any siblings now does she? oh. my. gosh. :-\
OK probably not. :D
Perhaps the child somehow became the author? Less fun and probably not since you'd think the author would have to be a very old character indeed, although who knows?
Most likely the internet is right and the baby is Lily. Yawn.
Oh, I see your first thoughts ran the same way as mine. Belle was obvious, wasn't she. Lily would be a waste and I want to think of her as belonging on Neverland.
3. Who is the baby's father? It could be utterly insignificant (like Zelena's worthless unmagical father), but it would be a lot more fun if it was someone we already know. Maybe 'The Dragon' Tamara killed back in season 2 in (the recently mentioned) Phuket? Dragon & Maleficent ... it would be rather fitting.
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Could be Belle's dad but this one won't be Rumple. "The Dragon" would be obvious and he hinted that he would be back.
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Some site is holding a couple tournament here...
http://www.zimbio.com/brackets/TV+Couples+March+Madness+2015
Rumbelle is up against a couple from How I met your Mother. Snow & Charming, Robin & Regina, Emma & Hook and bizarrely Emma & Regina are also up for the couple crown. They're are also some Big Bang couple and Castle and a lot of shows I've never seen.
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Oh and have you seen the Princess Rap Battles on YouTube? -rollinglaugh-
I'd post them here if I knew how! :040:
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The Prankster is not an avid watcher of OUAT but he did catch Sunday's episode and has one observation: Cruella has a really cool car. The Prankster googled it and found it to be a slightly modified Zimmer Golden Spirit.
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I fully agree it is one very COOL car. I'd love to own that.
What do you think? Does Rumple know that Regina is lying? And where will Emma join the group? I hope Henry isn't involved.
And what a tease? August is back but only for five minutes. Come on! Team him up with Emma already and make all of us happy. Now that would be a match for Hook!
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After listening to various podcast hosts complain about Will Scarlets presence in Storybrooke with no explanation, I had a thought... What if he isn't really Will Scarlett? Instead he could be The Author or The Socerer in disguise! (Like Rumple/Hook this episode) Maybe I'm just grasping at any straw to explain why Belle is bahaving the way she has in season four. But I'd rather she was being fooled and manipulated by another wizard than believe that her love for Rumple was that weak.
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After listening to various podcast hosts complain about Will Scarlets presence in Storybrooke with no explanation, I had a thought... What if he isn't really Will Scarlett? Instead he could be The Author or The Socerer in disguise! (Like Rumple/Hook this episode) Maybe I'm just grasping at any straw to explain why Belle is bahaving the way she has in season four. But I'd rather she was being fooled and manipulated by another wizard than believe that her love for Rumple was that weak.
Okay -- Ursula has her "happy ending."
I'm betting that Maleficient's happy ending involves her child. Don't know how they'll get around this one.
Cruella is the stumper. We don't know anything about Cruella except her log of dalmatian coats. What else could she want?
And Rumple wants to turn the "Savior" black. Looks like it might start. But wait! Haven't we had a hint of it before (like season one) and she never becomes dark. She's good. Could Emma be setting up a scam?
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Emma setting up a scam seems most likely given the general history of the show. I don't know that I care one way or another.
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Okay last night's episode was interesting. Here's why:
Rumple went and put the sleeping Belle to bed. He plans to go get her later.
The author is there and while I'm not happy with who it is, I'm glad he's not in Rumple's clutches.
Zelena's coming back for a while. Now that one is more fun that the trio is together.
Not liking that Snow took Malificent's child. Granted they thought it was a dragon.
Not liking that Lilly (Lilth -- Bible connotation here) is the evil one to Emma's good one.
I think I know who will be the next author.
I'm seeing LOST resurface in some ways with the author's story. Seeing also in the good/evil aspect of Emma/Lilth. Just don't want an island with a mystery organization to appear. Oh we had that in Season 2B.
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The purity of Snow & Charming's hearts is getting more and more ridicules after that bit about Mal's baby. At least Snow acknowledged that the darkness Regina saw in her heart started much earlier than she thought.
I'm still bitterly unhappy about the way the writer's have written Rumple and especially Belle this season.
Just fyi, Lilith is NOT in the Bible. She is an ancient myth often associated with the Bible, but she never appears in it's pages. Since Lilith is supposed to be evil to the core (both in myth and now thanks to the two idiots) in OUAT, I'm hoping she joins up with her mummy and Rumple to take out Storybrooke. :violent-smiley-007:
I'm sure it won't happen though. Rumple will continue to be heartbroken, Regina will get yet another happy ending and Snow and Charming will continue doing stupid crap and wondering if they really are heroes or not. :banghead:
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Lilith myth -- forgot that. Maybe I need to stop reading the myths.
Okay -- not sure why they're doing what they're doing. If a hero is human, of course, they're going to do some "bad things." The heart thing with Snow was a little over the top. When part of her heart was taken for Charming, I didn't see any black did you? Snow and Charming are human. A thief isn't a good person. He lied about who he is. We have to accept them but I never saw them as good.
Rumple needs to make a change but I'm not sure how. Someone would have to kill him with the dagger wouldn't they? I don't want him gone! Otherwise, could someone claim the power. I'd love to see him have a happy ending.
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The Prankster has a question: How did Ursula get her happy ending without a re-write from the author?
Rumple won't and can't die. He's by far the most interesting character in the story. Will Henry become the next author? (the Prankster believes the writers will get rid of the current putz of an author)
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Very good question about Ursula. The only thing I can come up with is that somehow when the author is away, the history can change. This author is only supposed to record the story. Evidently, he's rewriting the story for some reason. I'm not a fan of the author. And yes, I texted a friend Sunday night that Henry is meant to be the next author.
Regarding Rumple. They've turned Regina more to the straight and narrow so Rumple has to stay bad.
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The Prankster has a question: How did Ursula get her happy ending without a re-write from the author?
Rumple won't and can't die. He's by far the most interesting character in the story. Will Henry become the next author? (the Prankster believes the writers will get rid of the current putz of an author)
I agree (obviously) that Rumple can't die. He just can't!
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I found the uber-quick Ursula redemption/happy ending puzzling too. So the only problem she had was that her singing voice had been pirate-napped? That doesn't sound very villain like to me and really she didn't do much of anything that we saw to earn her villain card, especially when compared to Regina.
I'm interested in this author and also in seeing Zelena again, but ultimately the watch-ability of this show lies with Rumple and they've been ruining his story lately for me.
(http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u4/Outlasts/Photos%20for%20Dearies/2013OUATGIFRumbellequartet_zps278312c5.gif) (http://s164.photobucket.com/user/Outlasts/media/Photos%20for%20Dearies/2013OUATGIFRumbellequartet_zps278312c5.gif.html)
Most interesting man on OUAT!
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Saw this elsewhere. Some Rumple fans are having a...
Rumplestiltskin Appreciation Week! :Woot_Emoticon:
:043:(April 12-18) :043:
It starts on the day that “Heart of Gold†premieres and ends the day before the next OUAT episode.
Day 1: Favorite Persona (April 12th)
Day 2: Favorite Outfit (April 13th)
Day 3: Family Man (April 14th - Robert Carlyle's birthday)
Day 4: Favorite Ship (April 15th)
Day 5: Favorite Floof Moment (April 16th - I admit I don't know what this means)
Day 6: Favorite Snark Moment (April 17th)
Day 7: Robert Carlyle (April 18th)
I'm not sure what I can contribute to the cause, but I figure, hey, sounds like yet another excuse for a GIF parade!
Day 1: Favorite Persona (April 12th)...
And my favorite Rumple is?
RUMPELSTILTSKIN (the Dark One)!
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(http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u4/Outlasts/Photos%20for%20Dearies/2013OUAT112SkinDeepGIFsaveusrumple_zps17c4107d.gif) (http://s164.photobucket.com/user/Outlasts/media/Photos%20for%20Dearies/2013OUAT112SkinDeepGIFsaveusrumple_zps17c4107d.gif.html)(http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u4/Outlasts/Photos%20for%20Dearies/2013OUAT16TheShepardGIFdeariedeariedear_zpsce1d2969.gif) (http://s164.photobucket.com/user/Outlasts/media/Photos%20for%20Dearies/2013OUAT16TheShepardGIFdeariedeariedear_zpsce1d2969.gif.html)
All Rumple is lovely of course. But I think I love the Dark One the best of all.
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and finally...
(https://img0.etsystatic.com/051/0/6819522/il_fullxfull.672352668_dlra.jpg)
I'm currently wearing this necklace (not my photo, but it looks like the same).
Please don't be too annoyed at the excessive fangirling. Clearly I don't get out much. -rollinglaugh-
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:(
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Already set DirecTv to turn at 8:00 PM. Thinking on the Rumple Appreciation Week now.
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That... was certainly an exciting Rumple heavy episode.
I hope Rumple already has a plan in plan to screw Zelena at the end of this season.
I admit the Marion reveal was spoiled for me by a podcast I listen too (I was warned they were going to talk spoilers, but had no idea it would be something as huge as this). I'm sure the Regina fans are thrilled, but I'm still miffed about the vault sex from the first half of the season. Even if Marion really was dead, Robin didn't know that, so it's still adultery imo and I don't like that being portrayed as a 'true love' kind of deal.
I do wonder how effective that 'broken heart' elixir really is. Is Rumple's black as coal heart now pure as the driven snow or did the potion just delay the inevitable shriveling?
For a few seconds there I actually wondered if the Mr. Gold who came back to Storybrook was really Zelena in disguise while Rumple was back in New York playing house with Robin Hood waiting for Zelena to call.... WHEW!
Day 2: Favorite Outfit?
THE LEATHER TROUSERS OF COURSE!
(http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u4/Outlasts/Photos%20for%20Dearies/gifrumplepants.gif) (http://s164.photobucket.com/user/Outlasts/media/Photos%20for%20Dearies/gifrumplepants.gif.html) :72:
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Of course he does look good in a suit too...
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:whoo:
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Actually a good episode if you can overlook the plot holes which quickly developed.
1. Zelena went poof. Yeah--I've been an advocate that she didn't die and now I'm proved right but the way they set this up has a continuity problem.
a. How did she know to be in Storybrooke to watch the action.
b. She had time to arrange a lot of things when going between the Enchanted Forest, Oz, and Storybook. Come on -- how could she set up a flying monkey for Emma when watching the action in Storybrook and arranging to take the place of Marian in the past.
2. If Rumple really is the dark one, then when he got his dagger back Zelena would have no control. I thought that the dark one was all powerful which means that Zelena is in for a rude awakening.
On to Emma. Emma will turn dark but I think it will end up being a scheme between herself and Regina to get Zelena. I've read a spoiler that hinted at this with no details. When Regina tries to kill Emma, she gets that weird look in her eyes and turns to the dark. And let's face it, with Henry facing death, both moms would do anything.
BY THE WAY -- I WANT CRUELLA GONE. The only one of the trio of terror that was any good is Maleficient. I prefer Ursula over Cruella any day.
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Regarding Cruella, I just saw a picture of her pre-weird eyebrows, dancing with the author so her backstory might involve his as well.
Also I just read this elsewhere which bears re-posting
http://thatravenclawbitch.tumblr.com/post/116271855484/fantasymaven-here-is-what-i-am-seeing-in
Day 3: Family Man
(http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u4/Outlasts/Photos%20for%20Dearies/tumblr_myzog0WuUK1qbpfdbo1_500_zps8c35faca.gif) (http://s164.photobucket.com/user/Outlasts/media/Photos%20for%20Dearies/tumblr_myzog0WuUK1qbpfdbo1_500_zps8c35faca.gif.html)
&
:great: Happy Birthday to Robert Carlyle! :king:
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They just better not kill him off.
I forgot about the captivity thing. Here's my point. He's on the borderline of turning good. He's trying to be with Belle. And every time it's positive something negative happens.
I hate Zelina so much but I'm afraid we're gong to be stuck with her for awhile. Emma and Regina have teamed up, Rumple isn't the real bad boy anymore, and the three villians are laughable. Zelena is the only one who is capable of playing bad to the infinite degree. My question: Where will they go next year?
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E has an 'alpha male' poll up. Rumple is an option (round 8.2) but he's losing to someone from a zombie show. :33:
http://www.eonline.com/news/645570/alpha-male-madness-2015-officially-begins-vote-in-round-1-now?cmpid=sn-000000-twitterfeed-365-kristin&utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=twitterfeed_kristin&dlvrit=51396
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Day 4: Favorite Ship?... Um, is there even an option?
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RUMBELLE!
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The Prankster is a neophyte compared to Outtie's and LindaM's knowledge of OUAT. He hopes Cruella's story line will end this week but she leaves the car behind. He has no familiarity with Zelina's prior storyline. Is there an Oz storyline in the offing? Do you guys have any idea who the Sorcerer is or where he is?
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Regarding Zelena - she is the daughter of Cora and the half sister of Regina. She was abandoned by Cora as a child and sent Oz via a cyclone (never sufficiently explained imo) where she was raisedby, but apparently not loved, a man who was fearful of her magic. Later on she, like her half sister Regina was trained by Rumplestiltskin and when she proved the more powerful magician Rumple showed her great favor... Until she fell in love with him. Since the price of the curse Rumple was training them for was the heart of the thing you love most, this made Zelena useless and dangerous to Rumple who rejected her, at which point she revealed that she had magic slippers that could've taken them both to Baelfire at any time. Oops. Later on after Rumple's death she manipulates Belle and Baelfire into opening the dark vault to release Rumple from death... But she left off the part where Bae would have to die in payment. Rumple sees his son dying and drops the dagger to hold onto and absorb his son. Zelena takes the dagger and has control over Rumple for the next year until she is defeated by Regina. Rumple who has not only been tortured by Zelena for a year, but who also blames her for Bae's death. Tries to kill her, but is stopped by Regina who now holds his dagger. Regina gives the dagger to Belle, who later tries to give it back to Rumple, who refuses, but secretly switches in a fake dagger so that Belle won't be able to stop him from killing Zelena, which he later does... Except that didn't work and now she's back and he's back under her thumb.
Did I miss anything important LM?
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Cora sent Zelena away so she could marry her King. She had Regina who only turned to magic when her mom killed her true love the stable boy.
Zelena destroyed the Wizard of Oz -- well not really. She turned him into a flying monkey and sent him back to New York in his Oz shape to romance Emma. Hook arrived and Oz knew the jig was up so before Emma remembered Storybrooke, she had to be destroyed so she wouldn't interfere with Zelena's plan for Regina. Emma defeated the flying monkey/Oz and he was destroyed in New York. Emma remembered and Hook, Emma, and Henry returned to Storybooke. (Gist of story here)
It took Zelena, Emma, and a host of others to finally defeat Zelena. They grabbed her green amulet that contained her power and put her in jail. Rumple tried to destroy her and many felt he did but I never bought that story. Something about the way she disappeared wasn't right.
The big holes come in with Robin and Regina's love. If Zelena came back as Marian and was in the control of that situation, was a time paradox set up?
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Outtie and LindaM. Thank you! :72: Both of you went way above and beyond and therefore it's very much appreciated. :93:
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Day 7: Robert Carlyle
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What can I really say about Robert Carlyle the man?
Practically nothing really. Other than obvious that he's really attractive (a trait not uncommon in actors and positively mandatory in actresses) and seems nice in interviews.
All I can really comment on is Robert Carlyle the actor. I've seen just about every movie he's ever made by now and one thing is for sure, however good or bad the movie... Robert Carlyle is always the most interesting person on screen.
Enough with the talking. On with the final and longest GIF parade of Robert Carlyle week!
(http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u4/Outlasts/Photos%20for%20Dearies/1993%20Screenplay%20TV%20series%20ndash%20Safe%201993%20hellip%20GIF%20Nosty%201_zpsho3ombkb.gif) (http://s164.photobucket.com/user/Outlasts/media/Photos%20for%20Dearies/1993%20Screenplay%20TV%20series%20ndash%20Safe%201993%20hellip%20GIF%20Nosty%201_zpsho3ombkb.gif.html)
Safe - hard to find!
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Go Now - even harder find!
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Cracker - Spoiler alert... he killed Doctor Who! (Good grief but he's awesome in this one)!
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Trainspotting (hard movie for me to watch; but as I said above, HE is great in it)
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Class of '76 (Good mystery/drama)
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Dead Fish (Honestly I fast forwarded to RC's bits after awhile).
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Plunkett and Macleane - I loved this one, except that I felt the language was a little coarse
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The Full Monty - What's not to love? (Actually I didn't like the bit about RC not being allowed around his son :( )
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To End All Wars - probably the most important film he's ever made message wise. Very troubling to watch though. On a lighter note I think it may be the only film where he appears in a kilt (for a few minutes anyway).
(http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u4/Outlasts/Photos%20for%20Dearies/2005%20Marilyn%20Hotchkiss%20Ballroom%20Dancing%20and%20Charm%20School%20Frank%20looksGIF_zpst2h4yqdb.gif) (http://s164.photobucket.com/user/Outlasts/media/Photos%20for%20Dearies/2005%20Marilyn%20Hotchkiss%20Ballroom%20Dancing%20and%20Charm%20School%20Frank%20looksGIF_zpst2h4yqdb.gif.html)
Marilyn Hotchkiss Ballroom Dancing and Charm School - terrible title? Perhaps. But this is probably the movie of his that I've seen the most times. It's delightful.
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Ravenous (Best cannibal movie ever!)
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Hamish Macbeth (I read the books before I'd ever heard of the series or RC. It's got practically nothing in common with the books, but it has plenty of charm on it's own.)
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California Solo (sad movie)
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Stargate Universe!!!!!! (This is the show where I fell in love with RC. Fr the record it's even better than once upon a time!)
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:88: Robert Carlyle. What's not to love? :clap:
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edited to add yet more movies. You're welcome! :72:
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The good - I loved Cruellas's back story where we think she has this tragic past like all the other villains, but instead she's basically a psychopath with no obvious redeeming qualities and the sympathy we're having for the De vil is actually for her mother (Lady De vil?).
I also liked the confirmation that the author can cross realms (method yet unknown) and that Cruella's 20's life was a separate realm and NOT our world.
Cruella and Ursula apparently abandoned LIly and used her magic egg shell to keep themselves young. :D
The bad - That cruel unfeeling scene they wrote in with Rumple and Belle! Funny how Regina has changed and has to be nice now... except to Gold, who had I remind you, just literally bared his heart right in front of her and not only did she mock him for it through Belle (if Belle agreed to this plan I've lost what little respect I had left for her character), but then commanded Belle to forget everything! :41:
I get Emma's point here, though like usual she's lashing out far more sharply than she needs too; Snow and Charming have changed from the heroes we were presented with in season one to a pair of bumbling idiots who blame every bad thing they do or cause to happen on someone else. Except for Cora who is bizarrely the only bad thing we've seen Snow really place the blame on her own head for. :96:
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THE SHOW HAS BEEN RENEWED FOR SEASON 5. Josh Dallas broke that yesterday on a television show in LA.
Okay -- I thought last night was basically a good episode. Plot kept me interested the whole time.
Bad -- Emma when the darkness hit. I finally got the idea squared away in my head for the book at church yesterday (don't laugh!) and realized that each season (mini-season had a theme. Once I got that, I saw the clear way to write. This mini-season is going to have to go free will versus magic. Can good turn dark. Sure she killed Cruella and the "darkness" entered her but the real question is will the "savior" rise above the darkness. Come on, you know she will. And that was a little far fetched in itself.
I'm not sure I liked the hair color coming from the ink of the pen. That was a little over the top and seems to imply that the ink is evil. What is the ink is what determines who the next author would be. I've always had Henry pegged for this.
There are hints that there may be a way for Emma's goodness to remain. Why else would the Sorcerer's Apprentice be back. I have a new theory about the Sorcerer. Some think its a reference to Walt Disney. And that may be true but again I think they would insult us with that (but hey -- I called Purgatory on LOST during season one and it was denied. I even posted it online. Who was right? Me!) They have mentioned Narnia and I'm thinking that Aslan could be the Sorcerer. If you read the Last Battle (the lsat book Aslan says he is known by many names in many lands.
The good: Regina is good now is agreed. I'm also thinking that Gold could be good once he gets past that pesky dagger but if he is good who would be bad.
Can we please get rid of Hook? He's just filler.
Henry was actually very good last night. I like the fact that he was constantly thinking on his feet. This kid may catch on yet and there is no indication that ABC is reviving "dead kid month" (which was in May in soap land).
NOW! The real question is: What stories are left to be told. And I thought I saw a hint of Aladdin last night.
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Can we please get rid of Hook? He's just filler.
:08: You know you've got my vote on that one. Rumple tried already and everyone acts like it was the most evil thing ever when at the very least it was no worse than Snow killing Cora. ...sorry my bias is showing there.
Yeah for season five! Heaven knows those writers need at least one more season to fix the mess they've made this season.
I agree that Henry should be the next author. I can see that as the ending for the whole series.
The ink was disappointing. I'd rather it was a single drop that did that to Cruellas hair. That would leave us wondering what the whole bottle might do to a person.
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I agree last night's episode was well-done--imaginative and well-written. I have a question---What happens if someone who is not the author attempts to write something using the quill and ink? What is the source of the ink? Blood from a black heart?
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And that question is still to be resolved. Rumple thought that by killing Cruella, Emma's heart would be turned. I now assumed he thought it would be because of the hair dye but I'm not so sure of that. Let's face it -- Cruella is a sociopath. The writer was not well chosen so the sorcerer wants him gone so I think he's not long for the show (or for life). Henry is the obvious choice for the next writer unless August becomes the writer. He has to have had some dealings with the Sorcerer since he knows of the book and the secrets.
So who gets the car?
So on to next season. I've just printed out a list of Disney films and I'm not sure where they will go. They can't do Cinderella, Little Red Riding Hood, Sleeping Beauty, Rapunzel or Frozen, so are there any princess left The only thing I could see at a first glance was the Princess and the Frog which was set in New Orleans. We had hints of the Arthur story but nothing but we all now know that Lancelot was Cora. Robin Hood has been done. It would be hard to do an animal to human although Jimminy Cricket is the psychiatrist of Storybooke.
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I'd also like to know if someone other than The Writer could use the magic quill and ink to change the story.
As for next season, I just read a post on Sucks saying something about an alternate reality where the villains never became villains. Interesting. As a long time sci-if fan I like this idea for an episode or two, but I'm not sure about it for a whole season. Eureka did this in a way by having five key townspeople travel back in time only to return to a changed future. In that case I fully expected them to go back and again and fix things, but no, the show chose to stick with it. I was always a little sad about that.
In Ouat wouldn't they face a few problems in doing that? For instance Rumple and Hook would be long dead by now if they hadn't become villains. And Emma might not even be here without Regina outlawing Snow.
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Here is what the Prankster would like to see: A season-ending cataclysm in Storybrook that takes out the following regulars: Belle, Hook, Snow and Charming.
Not going to happen.
Regarding next season, if the writers are limited to Disney material, the pickings are getting slim. Have they done Beauty and the Beast? 1001 Nights would be a rich source but I don't know how much of it Disney has. I would love to see Sleepy Hollow but Fox already has a series. Pirates of the Caribbean? Mulan (occidental, anyone?). Sorry, but i"m thinking as I write.
I propose two alternatives: The Storybrook characters battle their doppelgangers of opposite nature for permanent residency in SB. That would be a variation on what Outtie suggested. The author story arc might open up this possibility. Second, the writers create their own fairy tale. Again, the author can write whatever he chooses.
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Here is what the Prankster would like to see: A season-ending cataclysm in Storybrook that takes out the following regulars: Belle, Hook, Snow and Charming.
Not going to happen.
Agreed not gonna happen, but after this season I feel the same and that's coming from someone who has been quite fond of Charming in the past and who's favorite Disney character ever was Belle. The writers should have rotten tomatoes hurled at them for how they've written Belle this season. :banghead:
Charming and especially Snow have been annoying from nearly the beginning.
Have they done Beauty and the Beast?
UM, 'cuse me?
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Oops! Brain cramp, senior moment, dementia----pick one, pick all. My bad. -duh-
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As for next season, I just read a post on Sucks saying something about an alternate reality where the villains never became villains. Interesting. As a long time sci-if fan I like this idea for an episode or two, but I'm not sure about it for a whole season. Eureka did this in a way by having five key townspeople travel back in time only to return to a changed future. In that case I fully expected them to go back and again and fix things, but no, the show chose to stick with it. I was always a little sad about that.
What is that the good Doctor Who says: you can't affect time and space. I don't like that at all because it reeks of messing with history. Could Emma even be included? Would Pan be bad? Where would Pan land in this? And Cora? Do we need her return? I think it's a bad idea but wouldn't be surprised if they try it.
By the way, I LOVED Eureka. And remember those episodes well. (Note to self: pull the Eureka DVDs and rewatch this summer!)
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Okay -- I pulled Disney movies but been too busy. Only reason I can do this now is I'm waiting for programs to run. Here's what fairy tales/movies have been tackled and I may miss a few:
Snow White (who is supposed to be teh key family on the show), Cinderella, Red Riding Hood, Pinocchio, Alice in Wonderland (why else do we have Will Scarlett from Wonderland), Robin Hood, Peter Pan, Sleeping Beauty, One Hundred and One Dalmations (hard to do now Cruella is gone), Medusa, The Little Mermaid, Beauty and the Beast, Aladdin (somewhat from Wonderland and it looks to be touched on next week), Tangled, Frozen
They haven't done Tarzan, Hercules, the Aristocats, Treasure Island, Sleepy Hollow (which they probably can't do because the other show is on FOX), Lady and the Tramp, Darby O'Gill and the Little People, Jungle Book, Zorro, Babes in Toyland, Lobo, Sword in the Stone (though Charming did play with this one), Fighting Prince of Donegal, Love Bug (and Emma drives one), The Princess Diaries, Lilo and Stitch, Atlantis, the Haunted Mansion, Sky High, The Shaggy Dog (Hook please), Cars, The Princess and the Frog.
I don't think they'd attempt Pirates of the Carribbean. They're making a new one now.
Stories apparently dropped -- the Sorcerer's Apprentice.
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What I'd like to see on OUAT tonight...
Gold gets Zelena and Robin Hood back in town and at the town line he leverages Robin Hood's heart to get Belle's heart (which Regina admits she's had for months, thus explaining Belle's behavior in the only satisfactory manner left) back. Once he has Belle's hear safely tucked in his jacket he looks Regina right in the eye and tosses Robin Hood's heart over the town line where it turns into a normal (meaty) heart and then he tells Pongo to 'fetch'. Horrified Regina runs over the line to save the heart, forgetting that once she crosses the town line she can't come back without the Snow Queen's magic scroll, which Rumple has tucked in another pocket (a pocket sealed by magic no less). Then while Zelena is laughing wickedly over Regina and Pongo fighting for Robin's heart, Rumple takes advantage of the situation and shoves her over the town line where she is virtually powerless, pulls out a pistol and shoots her saying, 'this is for Baelfire' and then once more with, 'this is for me'. By now Regina has the heart from Pongo and is wondering if it's got any holes in it when she suddenly realizes her situation and turns to face Gold, though of course she can't see him as the town and all its inhabitants are now invisible to her. She snarls threats about how he'd better let her back in or else, but Rumple doesn't respond for some time. About an hour later Regina is sitting cross-legged in front of the barrier cradling Robin's heart and occasionally shooing Pongo away when a small scroll is thrown through the barrier. She runs to it in excitement assuming her 'friends' have managed to get the scroll from the Dark One, but instead she unscrolls a note from Rumple telling her to leave the heart at the town line and start waking Pongo away, if she does this Rumple will reach through and save Robin's heart on the strict understanding that Regina is banished from Storybook forever. With few options Regina does as he says and begins the long long long walk to New York (at least SHE doesn't have to walk all that distance with a frickin' limp!) vowing revenge all the way. Rumple returns Robin's heart and advises him to return to Regina in New York. He does. Rumple returns Belle's heart and she loves him once more. He tells her what Regina did and she is glad he forced her over the line. The Charmings admit their many misdeeds were in fact their own fault and they make up with Emma. Hook goes missing a short time later and though Gold looks awfully happy these days, no one questions him on the matter except for Emma who is soon far too busy playing house with Pinocchio to care about a delinquent pirate. Rumple who is now cleaved from his dagger thanks to Hook's sacrifice is wall-papering a baby room in his rather large estate while the Author sits in his room there happily writing out bunches of happy ending for everyone who deserves one with Henry by his side learning the trade. THE END
What's more likely to happen is more heartbreak for Rumple and I, while Regina gets everything she wants with no consequences for her own bad behavior at all. ....But I like my version better!
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Slow up to the end. Don't want to say too much but Lilith knew more all along than Emma. And Wow! Regina and Emma on the same side. I guess that Zelena is next week. So say I with 11 minutes. I'm betting Zelena ends up somehow going on over til next year.
Edited to Add! Wow! Oh Wow! I thought it might happened but no way did I think it would happen this season. Next season is going to have to have Zelena in it and Maleficient. And we've got to get Rumple's heart back to good.
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Such infuriating crap. So Regina DID have Belles heart all along (some hero right?) and Rumple returns it and... Nothing. No wait Rumple please come back? No I love you? Apparently heartless Belle and hearted Belle are pretty much the same person. thanks writers.
Regina told Emma she no longer had her 'leverage' over Gold... did Emma know about Belles heart? Or are all the so called heroes on this show too selfish to care about someone who isn't Henry, Snow, Charming, Hook, Emma or Regina? Apparently Belle does a lot of babysitting for baby Neal, so you'd think they'd care a little bit or maybe not.
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I thought that was dialog flub. No -- Regina took the heart in last episode with Belle's consent. Rumple was telling Belle that to color himself a little better. And what's this about his heart almost being black? I didn't get that at all.
The way I thought it went down was that Belle let Regina have her heart so she would have leverage. Are they making Rumple a liar? Are they trying to make him heroic.
And I read a spoiler late last night that I don't like involving Emma and the dagger and disappearing in next week's two hour episode.
Oh and what about the author in a cloud of smoke. I'm rereading Exodus right now and the "pillar of cloud" led the Hebrews out of Egypt. A pillow of light appears to Moses in the tabernacle. I don't think they're referencing this but it was too fresh in my mind.
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I thought that was dialog flub. No -- Regina took the heart in last episode with Belle's consent. Rumple was telling Belle that to color himself a little better. And what's this about his heart almost being black? I didn't get that at all.
The way I thought it went down was that Belle let Regina have her heart so she would have leverage. Are they making Rumple a liar? Are they trying to make him heroic.
If you honestly think Belle gave Regina her heart to blackmail Rumple... I don't know what show you watched last night. :c029:
http://thestraggletag.tumblr.com/post/117483812566/yes-please-tell-me-again-how-the-whole-regina
http://violetfaust.tumblr.com/post/117493565411/quills-two-random-questions-after-tonights-ep
http://bad-faery.tumblr.com/post/117520361055/has-anyone-addressed-the-fact-that-the-heroes-had
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The Prankster is open-minded on the question of WHEN Regina acquired Belle's heart. Most (but not all) of the arguments for Regina having acquired Belle's heart at some earlier time are based on the assumption that Belle surrendered her heart to Regina voluntarily in the pawn shop. Why? The viewer has no idea what transpired between Regina and Belle after Belle said "What can I do to help?" Why couldn't Regina have taken Belle's heart involuntarily in the pawn shop. The fact Belle does not recognize her own heart could result from Regina having commanded Belle to forget about Regina taking Belle's heart. On the other hand, the Prankster does not believe there was any dialogue flub and the writers left the situation deliberately ambiguous. An earlier theft would be a good explanation for Belle's seemingly uncharacteristic behavior during this story arc. A case can be made either way.
The Prankster is more interested in how things unfold going forward. Battle lines are being drawn. Who lives? Who dies? Who is altered? Will the Sorcerer's Apprentice continue to meddle in an effort to restore fate?
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Okay -- spoilers! Click at your own risk.
http://cartermatt.com/162829/once-upon-a-time-season-4-episode-20-preview-will-maleficent-destroy-snow-white/
http://www.fashionnstyle.com/articles/57750/20150421/once-upon-time-season-4-finale-spoilers-another-character-escaping-urn-like-season-3-creators-dish-details.htm
And if you noticed in the finale preview, we saw Snow fall and hit her head. I don't think anything will necessarily happy to the Charming family because they were the family around the series beginning and have been key the whole time. I hate what Charming and Snow have become. And I'm betting my student worker will breeze in her sometime this week and say: "Well, that's what Regina gets for vault sex."
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Thanks, but the Prankster generally refrains from reading spoilers. The Prankster learned his lesson when, as an all-too-curious lad, he went on a treasure hunt and found his unwrapped Xmas presents two days before Xmas. He is still curious but resists temptation enough to wait to be surprised (or not) until a given event/episode occurs.
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Oh, I sometimes read general spoilers after what happened with LOST. I was right, the producers tried to throw everyone off the scent but I knew I had guessed right. So finale came, Purgatory was shown and a friend who use to write for Soap Opera Weekly was left eating crow cause he called me crazy. (I was also right on the mole in season one of 24 which made him so mad that he wouldn't talk to me for about 6 weeks.)
One reason I read the spoilers on the finale is I have my idea for the book on the show. Now that I know the answer to one question, I think I can go with the outline I've started.
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Wow
Regina will do everything not to look weak. Zelena uses that baby against everyone.
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No -- Rumple can't...
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Cora followed a rabbit.
Regina locks someone up. Love it. But vault sex is still bad.
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Cora and Nottingham. Are we sure she's dead?
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OMG as if one dragon isn't enough.
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Is Regina like Cora? Has she become a true hero. Wow what a sky?
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I know Rumple wants a happy ending but come on!!!!!!!!
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This episode really wasn't for me since I don't give a crap about Regina anymore. Even seeing Cora again can't make up for having absolutely nothing with Belle in this episode after what JUST HAPPENED last week. I know Rumple has to stay miserable in order for the writer's to get to the plot twist they've been aiming for all season (Heroes and villains swapping places), but they could've bothered to come up with a good reason why A) Belle does absolutely nothing in the story B) Why Regina doesn't have the common decency to tell everyone that she just screwed them all over by leaving Rumplestiltskin to die, thus releasing the Dark One on them all in some non-human form (true it didn't happen, but she sure as hell left him to die without a thought at what might happen outside of her getting her own 'happy ending'.
I haven't been thrilled by the writing of Rumple this season, but I feel like his motivations have been sufficiently explained by his impending death and the potential release of the Dark One curse on the whole town. But everyone else has in my opinion either been acting extremely selfishly (Regina) or out of character (Snow, Charming, Meleficient, BELLE!!!).
The Author is interesting. I do think he was happy to write Zelena out of the story (my gosh how many plot holes would that have brought up?), but once Regina decided not to do it after all (Robin was watching?), he went back to Gold, because he seems to have some kind of agenda of his own to write out and he doesn't seem to care who he is 'writing' for. I'd like to see more about The Author's motivations.
Oh and on the Author's quote that 'Regina gets screwed over the most'... bull, 'erm you know what. What nonsense was that huh? Sure he was probably kissing her butt when he said that, but I wonder how many fans take that for truth? ...here's a quote from someone on imdb who obviously agrees...
Regina is still actively hurting people (e.g., ripping out Belle's heart, controlling her, wiping her memories; slicing Lily's hand open because she needs something from her) and she simultaneously whinges all the time about why things don't work out for her.
How about people who don't have buckets of blood on their hands and have had miserable lives? Belle spent 30+ years locked in solitary, was repeatedly used as a pawn, was shot, had her memory erased, was turned into a sadistic barfly, had her heart ripped out by Regina. Seems like she's a better candidate for having been "screwed over the most" than someone who has, only a couple of episodes ago, victimised her yet again. Or Lily. She's certainly been "screwed over." Her entire life was a trainwreck because she was cursed before she was even born. Or Snow, whose parents were murdered before she was even an adult, who was branded an outlaw, lost her daughter because of Regina's insane vendetta, and lived for 28 years as a miserable milquetoast.
Regina isn't even in the top 10 of the characters who have been "screwed over the most."
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1843230/board/thread/243377964
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Next week looks awesome though. I hope the new twist delivers. This season needs a good ending.
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The Prankster has one reaction to last night's episode----BLECH! It reminded him of why he quit on OUAT in the first place--too much Disney happy juice and not enough Brothers Grimm grim. Next season's story line is obvious. He will watch the finale but he is inching towards the door........
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Okay -- Snow as the Evil Queen is a little too -- BLEECH -- for me. This whole villain versus hero should have been saved for the final season. And let's face it, we all know that somehow things will change back to semi-normal by the end of the two hours. But I have questions:
It's been said Henry discovers his powers. I've been saying since the start of Operation Mongoose that he would be the next author. If true, the heart of the true believer may come into play.
If the author changes history, will it do the following:
(A) affect past time linse
(B) change the present
(C) create an alternate universe.
If we go with the previous shows and time travel, you can't affect time/space/history. In some ways by his rewriting history, he is altering history which is a big "NO NO." Of course I hate the author anyway. I think he's a power hungry, fame seeking junkie who thinks he's the world best writer and is only a gossip writer. There I said that!
The supreme person in charge is the sorcerer and we've only had a glimpse of him. I figured (along with others) that the face would be Walt Disney and i would walk away so fast if it was! Now, I'm beginning to wonder about who it is. Could it be Henry? I first thought Aslan (Narnia) but decided against it because too Christian themed there.
If no new land, what do they do. Spend the next 1/2 season trying to solve all the problems the author caused. Why couldn't someone just send everything back to what it was before this season. Granted, I liked the first part and felt it was appropriate but I had issues even before it started with the villains. They didn't make sense with Rumple being the best villain ever.
Finally, I left LOST at season three because of the plot holes. While this one doesn't have as many, and Prankster up until this season I didn't think it was too Disney (and I researched that for an Encyclopedia), I do see them heading down the Dharma hole that caused me to step away from LOST. It took a lot of convincing on friends' parts to get me back.
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The Prankster needs to clarify his earlier comment. His comment regarding " too Disney" lies not in objective research but in the subjective eye of this beholder. Previous episode examples: the wimp witch, Maleficent, wants only to be reunited w/her daughter, revenge no longer matters. Lily returns and, after a brief dragon tantrum, reconciles with Mommy, loses HER desire for revenge and saves the author a rewrite........awwww, how sweet. Regina relents and decides to do nothing to evil Zelena because she decides she is happy with her current life......awwww...a round of applause for Regina once again for realizing that the puppies and unicorns side of life is where it's at and saving the poor author from another rewrite. Snow hits her head just hard enough not to damage her, but to make Emma realize she is being too hard on her poor parents and forgives them.....awwww. Too much schmaltz for the Prankster.
For me, the best part of the episode was to revisit the unending machinations of Cora.
So now we have a new book, which begins "Once Upon a Time..." OMG!(sarcastically). The Prankster would have been much happier with the following storyline: the author, just as he is about to rewrite, is banished to Pluto by the Sorcerer. Rumple's heart turns into a briquette and he becomes a monster in a human body, seeking revenge against all who wronged him (which is everybody) and bent on the destruction of Storybrooke. The nominal heroes and various other denizens of SB have to go on a quest to restore Rumple to his former self before he destroys them all. Delicious irony---all those who detest Rumple have to save him in order to save themselves. It also provides Belle with a chance to assume a larger role. Instead we get Rumple as hero, Mom and Pop Charming and daughter as villains, and lord knows what else for who else. The Prankster does not mean to offend any OUAT fans, just registering his disappointment.
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I actually like some of your projections and honestly agree that we need a quest story. The problem is: Look who would go on the quest. We had that with Pan and had to watch Snow and Charming swoon through that. They really need to find a more dramatic way to write that relationship. I know that they key on them but it's too much.
I think my big problem is the easy solution of the villains. I've always said that the final battle should be the good heroes versus the villains. At the rate they are going, there isn't going to be a villain left for them to fight in the epic final battle I want to see.
And on another note, I really don't think this show should go beyond season 5 or 6. Not only are they running out of stories, they're running out of steam. The poor actors are going to be typecast by then.
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The Prankster agrees that OUAT as currently configured is running out of steam. For the Prankster, (and admittedly he took an extended hiatus after some of Season 2), the story so far has not been so much about Snow/Charming/Emma but rather about Regina's migration from a baddy to a goody and the transformative power of love. I think that story line ended this season with Regina's consistent decisions not to do the evil thing, culminating with her decision not to seek revenge against Zelena. She appears to have her happy ending. A Breaking Bad in reverse. So, what to do next? I believe the story needs to shift focus to Rumple and the final choice he needs to make between love and power. I would like to see a final season which climaxes with Rumple making the ultimate sacrifice to save Belle or finding a way to shed his power without dying so he and Belle can live happily ever after. The "briquette heart" idea was a vehicle for accomplishing those objectives. Perhaps the writers can pull this off with the "Once Upon a Time" story line but the Prankster is skeptical.
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Well Epperson was listed in the producer category again Sunday night. These writers seem to run out of steam easily and I won't even go into what she did with Torchwood: Miracle Day. The true Torchwood fans refuse to acknowledge that season.
I'd like to see next season be a quest for Emma and the quest would be to save the show from failing. I know from rumors that changes are coming to Storybrooke and I honestly hope that it's not going to be a quest for Emma to set things straight. I think it's time that Henry becomes the true author and starts recording the true history and not sugar coating everything.
While many hate Regina, I actually like her with the hint of evil. My student worker hasn't forgiven her for the vault sex with a married man. We all now know that Robin wasn't really married at the time.
My opinion is that Zelena needs to come back as the resident baddie. They need to somehow get Rumple separated and safe from the dagger. I know the dagger plays a role Sunday night but can't say any more since Prankster doesn't do spoilers.
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Torchwood MD sucked. Big time.
LM, I'm with your student on the vault sex. Robin thought his wife was alive and thus it's still adultery imo. Granted I've come to hate Regina this season because the writers let her get away with murder while other (far more screwed over characters) get crap story lines or no story lines at all. I'm sure Regina fans would be equally frustrated if her and Robin's story lines this season were flipped with Gold and Belles.
I read in a forum that neither Robert Carlyle or Emily are doing many if any interviews and were noticeably absent from a recent panel or something like that. I hope that's a load of rubbish since that's practically the kiss of death for them getting a satisfying ending if the actors don't want to do or are being excluded from interviews/panels.
I don't really have a problem with Regina being evil or being good (ok evil is probably more fun to watch), I'm just tired of her getting to be selfish and horrid and yet still get written as if she was a 'hero' now.
MP - Maleficent is a disappointment isn't she? You think she's one of the biggest baddies out there and yet when faced with a completely genuine reason and opportunity for revenge she goes all soft instead. My own concerns about my favorite characters getting crapped on all season aside, this season lacks any real oomph if you know what I mean.
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Here is the Season 4 finale the way the Prankster would like to see it. The Storybrook characters go off to some other realm to play their role-reversal games. They return to Storybrook as their original selves, none the worse for wear and Rumple has shed enough coal to make his heart good to go for another season or two. Neither the author nor Henry is anywhere to be found. Emma, Regina, et al. search high and low but both have disappeared without a trace. The last place they look is in the Sorcerer’s library. A rolled up parchment tied with a black velvet ribbon sits on a reading table in the middle of the library. Emma, a bit frantic over Henry’s disappearance, opens the parchment and reads……………….
LindaM and Outtie, your mission, should you choose to accept it, is to write the message contained in the parchment. The only requirement is that the message contain the kernel of the Season 5 story line.
As always, if your mission is revealed, the Prankster will disavow any knowledge of your activities. Good luck.
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challenge accepted!
A rolled up parchment tied with a black velvet ribbon sits on a reading table in the middle of the library. Emma, a bit frantic over Henry’s disappearance, opens the parchment and reads……………….
...Hi Moms! I know you're worried about me and I'm really sorry, but Isaac needs my help and I couldn't find anyone in town. Anyway The Author knows how to use the Sorcerer's magic door and we're going on a quest to find the Sorcerer! Don't wait up! TTFN - Henry
As Emma finishes reading the note Regina turns on her, "This is all your fault." she told her, "This was you and your idiot parents filling his head with nonsense about becoming a hero!"
"Well then I guess it must've been you who neglected to fill him in on stranger dangers then!" Emma shot back.
"Please!" Snow pleaded, stepping in between the two frantic mothers. "This is not helpful. We need to find out where Isaac took Henry and get him home." Charming nodded his assent, adding, "Gold do you have a way of tracking them?"
"Of course" Gold answered, unlinking arms with his wife to poof a familiar globe into his hand. "How quickly you forget the last time Henry was kidnapped and I helped you rescue him..."
"Sacrificing his own life to save us all in the process." Belle helpfully added.
"Sorry." Charming offered looking chagrined, "Between the realm hopping and the memory wiping and the shattered sight stuff; things are pretty muddled these days."
"No problem." Rumple grumbled, adding under his breath, "Ungrateful blatherskites."
"What was that?" Charming asked, narrowing his eyes.
"You could've at least invited us to Thanksgiving dinner you know." Belle said, "We ARE family too after all."
"But we did invite you." Snow said, looking confused.
"The um, mail person must've mislaid it." Regina mumbled.
"Forget it." Rumple said, "Let's just go and save my grandson... again."
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I'm trying not to look at Outlast's version. She is so good...
A rolled up parchment tied with a black velvet ribbon sits on a reading table in the middle of the library. Emma, a bit frantic over Henry’s disappearance, opens the parchment and reads……………….
Dear moms!
I know you expected to find me but I've decided I need an adventure. I've left with the Author to discover a few additional lands.
Don't worry about me. I have the magic ink and pen. See moms! I learned enough to defeat him and get what I need to protect myself. If he does try anything, he'll find himself on the Death Star as it explodes.
I know you will worry but there is no way I was going to miss an adventure. Finally, I get to do something and not just be some dorky kid.
Be back before you miss me!
Henry
Regina and Emma look at each other. "Dorky kid?" Emma asks. "Adventure?" Regina whispers. Both chime together: "We should never have left him alone.
Hook has entered the room along with August, Snow, Charming and Rumple. Belle quietly stands at the door. Hook picks up the note which has fallen on the floor and turns to August. "Can Henry stop the Author from taking the pen and ink."
August smiles. "Oh yes. If Henry has it in his possession, that makes him the author. He can even dispose of what's his face if he so chooses."
Rumple smiles slyly. "My grandson, the son of Bael, now has that power. Oh think of what he can do."
Belle rushes over. "Rumple, you just recovered your good heart. Do you really want to risk turning into the dark one again?" Giving him a long look, she adds, "Remember what happened to you? Do you want Henry to follow in your steps?"
Rumple looks shocked and replies. "No! I want him to succeed."
Emma looks worried. "But the Author isn't the life I want for my son."
Regina nods. "He's meant to rule kingdoms if we can ever get him to the Enchanted Forest. He has my kingdom and Rumple's empire waiting."
Rumple smiles. "And he has his father's legacy."
All turn to look but Rumple just smiles. As they start to question, a flash of light appears and Henry returns but where is the author? And what legacy does Henry have to claim that Baelfire has left him?
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Outtie and LindaM----the Prankster had high expectations and both of you exceeded them! Excellent work! The Prankster would much rather have the two of you writing OUAT than the existing writers. :clap:
The Prankster is debating whether to post his own ending. It remains a work in progress. If he does, it will be somewhat darker than yours.
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Go for it MP. I love to write but just don't have the time.
I'd love to write for television but a friend has almost talked me out of it. She worked in the "industry" and said it isn't as great as we think.
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You know maybe we should all forget about the real show and just write a fifth season right here. I'd lay odds whatever we come up with will be better than what the 'real' writers are planning. :040:
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What follows is the Prankster's idea for the Season 4 finale. JK Rowling probably would sue Disney and devoted OUAT fans might not like the way the Prankster treats Henry.....or is it Henry?
A rolled up parchment tied with a black velvet ribbon sits on a reading table in the middle of the library. Emma, a bit frantic over Henry’s disappearance, opens the parchment and reads………………
For those who seek to leave their fate forsaken,
a price must be paid, something precious taken.
What is…..need not be forever,
if foes can learn to work together.
In a land beyond magic there is a stone,
it needs to return to its rightful home.
A feather from the wing of a bird that cannot fly
The tears of a woman who cannot cry.
The blood of a warrior who cannot die.
These items, and the words they make,
shall free the stone from she who takes.
Something precious shall have been earned,
so something precious shall be returned.
The time has come to end this prose,
for the journey begins right under your nose.
Regina: Great. Henry disappears and all we have to go on is a bunch of third-rate poetic nonsense. Where was the great savior when her son needed to be saved?
Emma: And where were you, MOM? Oh yeah, off on a reunion communion with Robin.
Regina is about to retort when Mary-Margaret interrupts: Enough bickering you two! Henry is missing and we need to find him. We need to understand this riddle.
Emma (thinking out loud): Right under my nose……
Emma looks down on the table and sees the ribbon. She drops the parchment and picks up the ribbon. “This feels thicker than it did before.†Her fingers squeeze one end of the ribbon. “There’s something in here.†Emma’s fingers search inside and pull out the female piece of a clasp that is attached to the ribbon by a slender gold chain. She searches the other end of the ribbon and pulls out the male piece. Emma holds up both pieces in front of her and hesitates.
Regina: What are you waiting for, a set of instructions?
Emma flashes a vile look at Regina and joins the pieces. She receives a jolt and drops the ribbon on the table. The ribbon rises and forms a circle in the air perpendicular to the floor. The ribbon begins to rotate, faster and faster. A vortex appears inside the ribbon and grows in size. Emma (who manages to grab the parchment) and Regina are sucked into the vortex and then it stops rotating and begins to rotate in the opposite direction. Henry is thrown out of the vortex and tumbles across the floor. The vortex disappears and the ribbon drops to the table without the clasp.Mary-Margaret and David rush to Henry and help him up.
MM: Henry, are you all right?
Henry: I’m fine.
MM: Where were you? What happened?
Henry: I’m not sure. I was in the library with Isaac…..I don’t remember anything after that.
David: Henry, you were just thrown out of a vortex so you must have gone someplace. Try and think.
Henry (eyes closed): I am, but I just can’t remember anything that happened. (Looking around) Where are my moms?
No one answers. MM and David exchange glances. Then Rumple steps forward and puts his hands on Henry’s shoulders.
Rumple: Henry, it is obvious you’ve been through quite an ordeal. Why don’t you let your grandmother and grandfather take you home and get you settled? Then they will answer any questions you have. In the meantime, I will go back to the shop and see if I can locate something to help you regain your memory. Okay?
Henry, MM and David nod. Rumple bends down and picks up a golden coin the size of a silver dollar that rests on the floor next to Henry. It must have come through the vortex with Henry. He says “I will need to take this with me†and puts it in his pocket. David starts to say something but MM puts an arm on his and says “not now. We have to take care of Henry.†David nods.
Rumple leaves the group around Henry and walks toward the exit. Belle leaves Will and hurries after Rumple. She grabs his arm and Rumple stops and turns.
Belle: Rumple, what’s going on?
Rumple: Things are not what they seem to be…….
Belle: I don’t understand.
Rumple: Neither do I….yet. But there are things at the shop that should assist me in deciphering the meaning of today’s events. I really must go.
Belle (puts a hand against Rumple’s chest to stop him): I need to speak with you about something but I know now is not the time. Perhaps later?
Rumple (taking Belle’s hands in his): Have I ever been able to deny you anything you have asked of me? I shall be in the shop tomorrow morning.
Belle: I’ll be there.
Rumple’s eyes linger on Belle for a second or two and then he releases her hands and walks out of the library with an expression of concern. David gathers up the ribbon and MM and David escort Henry from the library followed by the others. END OF SCENE
LAST SCENE: The scene opens with a view of the entire interior of Sorcerer’s library. It is night and the library is dark except for the illumination provided by a lamp on the reading desk in the middle of the library. Camera zooms. Henry is alone, sitting at the desk with a number of open books scattered across the table, along with the ribbon. He appears to be reading a book and taking notes. Henry stops what he is doing, grasps the ribbon and speaks a short incantation in a foreign tongue with a voice that sounds different from Henry’s. The clasp appears on the ribbon, the ribbon rises above the desk and forms a circle. A scene fills the circle--- Emma and Regina are running through a forest and glancing backwards as if they are being pursued. Henry watches for a few seconds and then makes a motion with his arm that causes the clasp to disappear and the ribbon drops to the table. As Henry gazes into the darkness his eyes begin to glow and a sinister smile spreads across his face. END OF SEASON 4.
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Very good MP. I see a hint of Harry Potterism there toward the end.
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No wonder the author is so bad. He can't relate to this audience.
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Author is going to make Rumple forget Bael but Rumple refused.
Emma and company are going to trap the author back in the book.
And a new story is written and the magic begins.
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Now I'm mad at Godl. He left Henry all alone in Storybrooke.
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Once Upon a Time has a Purgatory now.
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Well, Henry's in a version of the Enchnated Forest and so is the author.
I really, really dislike the Author.
Author plans to kill Henry but Rumple arrives.
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Almost 45 minutes into the show and we've had Henry but too much author. Now Author wants Snow to xxxx Henry. Get him off my screen and do it now!
I thought Lost's Purgatory was bad but this is much, much worse.
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Oh great -- Belle has a baby and Rumple is happy. Author is trying to convince Rumple to kill Regina and Henry. Rumple is looking good.
And Emma has another thing to hold against her parents! WOW! That was a shock.
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And I do like Rumple's costume but I don't think I can take another death!
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Told you so -- about Henry that is.
Good to see they fixed Hook.
But with 20 minutes left, I have no clue where they will go next.
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Outtie -- Belle does love Rumple and doesn't love Will. Can we hope Will is gone bye bye.
And I don't believe he will xxx.
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Sorry I'm late to comment but I couldn't get the site to load last night. :(
Outtie -- Belle does love Rumple and doesn't love Will. Can we hope Will is gone bye bye.
And I don't believe he will xxx.
I was glad she finally said that (about time!), but I hated that they had her storm in, not to check on him, but to make sure he wasn't hurting anyone... Wth?
I was uncomfortable all night waiting t o see how this would all end, but ultimately I'm ok with what happened, not the Belle stuff, I'm still annoyed as all get out with how she's been written this season, but as far as Rumple getting his heart cleansed and Emma becoming the new Dark One... I'm kind of ok with that. That's my initial reaction anyhow.
Other random points I want to touch...
Henry as the Author (nice call LM) was a good plot move IMO. Though I'm not crazy about him breaking the pen at the end.
The Apprentice is dead? Why is he dead after getting nibbled on by the darkness when Regina seems to be fine after being surrounded by it for ages. Maybe he isn't dead. He sure looked dead though.
Far too much Regina. That's basically a season long complaint on my part though. Also the whole romance with her and Robin loses steam every scene theyre in together. The Emma and Regina scenes seem so looooong to someone who is waiting and waiting for Rumple and Belle to get their 30 seconds of screen time.
Isaac becoming the author when Walt Disney died... Good one OUAT.
A Dragon thing? That was weird.
I didn't like them writing Rumple as trying to stop Henry. He may not want to lose his happy ending (with Belle and him raising Prince Neal?), but attaching his grandson feels wrong for him. Even if he is largely confused about his past/real life.
I'm a little off put in general by the idea of writing the truth vs. writing fiction and the fiction not being real until the end of the book. I kind of get the premise, but I'm not loving it.
The charmings ONCE AGAIN blaming the Author for their actions with Lily... Come on! He may have led you to water, but you choose to drink as far as I can tell. Regina (and others) do this all the time with Gold, blaming him for their own misdeeds because he gave them the fuel they needed or whatever.
The only thing I hated about the Dark One ending is that Regina has known for what feels like a while now that this was probably going to happen and she did NOTHING about it. A real hero would care about a impossibly evil force being untethered more than she would about her boyfriend and his pregnant non-wife.
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The finale---The first 90 minutes or so----blech! The exposition to get to the alternate reality was WAY too long. Once there, the story was superficial, too helter-skelter and the role changes unconvincing. The only character the Prankster liked was Henry--he is the true moral compass of Storybrook in the 10 scenes a season in which he appears. Henry's role should be expanded.
Once the characters returned to Storybrook---Boffo! Good action, several potential story lines. Emma as the Dark One, savior division, COULD be interesting. Lily's quest for Dragon Daddy might also hold promise. The Prankster hopes Rumple does not spend next season on the floor of his shop in suspended animation, hovering between life and death. The Prankster was not bowled over by the identity of the sorcerer. Recurring roles next season for Zelena, Maleficent, Cruella's car?
The Prankster thought back to season one, his favorite. Emma was a badass with a good heart and Regina was a very engaging, nasty piece of work. And there was NO MAGIC in Storybrook. Ah, the good ol' days.
One afterthought----there appears to be an opening for the Sorcerer's Apprentice--any candidates?
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One afterthought----there appears to be an opening for the Sorcerer's Apprentice--any candidates?
Henry would seem to most obvious choice, but given his Author status update he might be busy staring at that broken pen all day. :D
I suppose Rumple could take the job and learn white magic from the sorcerer (provided they find him).
"When you see the future, irony is everywhere." - Rumplestiltskin
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I think we're going to see a season of searching for Merlin. I'm not a big fan of bringing in the Arthurian story. It may be because I had a teacher who focused so much on it when I studied that period in literature. It could be done if handled right but Epperson is listed as working with the show again and I've never been sure how much to blame her for the season of Torchwood no one wants to admit was made.
Henry FINALLY has a role. That I am happy about. Somehow he will get a quill. I just hope they don't make him too much of a Harry Potter clone. Better yet, I hope they don't make him the Arthur clone.
I liked Regina in the outlaw role but thought she'd be a little more on the bad side. I liked Emma but we will never know what Emma would have really done. Hook -- wimpy doesn't suit him (and my student worker is mad because he survived the alt reality). Ginnifer did not make a convincing Evil Queen. That was my big sticking point.
As to Emma being the perpetual Dark One, well I have a theory on what will happen. Quest stories are great but there is one feature that knocks all off kilter. If a "savior" gives his life for another, the good always wins out. Happens too much (and even happened in Harry Potter). Emma gave her life so Regina would find happiness. In a way, she even gave her life for the Apprentice and Rumple. You know she won't remain evil for long. Plus who will control the dagger and where the heck is she.
Season five may be interesting.
Here's the way I rate the seasons.
Season 1
Season 3a
Season 4a
Season 3b
Season 4b
Season 2a
Season 2b (only last because all they did was set up Season 3a).
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Regarding Henry's broken quill, the Prankster believes more quills can be had. In the beginning of the episode before the "Cruella's Death" episode, Isaac had just been released from the story book. He was running through the woods to escape Emma, et al. and he broke a piece of wood off of one of the trees to serve as a new quill. Rumple appears, and tells him a quill can be made only from the wood of a tree in the Enchanted Forest because it requires magic. So there is a possibility for more quills.
Regarding Merlin, I share some of LindaM's trepidation. Merlin, Arthurian Legend, Camelot, etc. has been done to death. To devise a fresh, compelling story line will be a challenge for the writers. The best bet may be to create a whole new Merlin story in which Camelot is only a sidebar.
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A good Merlin bit would be that it was Zelena who trapped him in his cave. Zelena would have another purpose than being there to take Robin away from Regina. And just think of the possibilities we'd get with the back story. And who knows. Maybe we'd get to see Arthur arise to save Storybrooke (not England like the prophecy). If I put my mind to it, I could probably come up with a creditable story.
But here's a new query. Who do we bind the "darkness" to? Merlin supposedly can defeat it but wouldn't it have to have a "tie" to someone.
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Presumably the way Merlin 'defeated' the darkness long long ago was to tie it to the heart of the first Dark One - which is a story I would be very interested in. So either Merlin will have to find some one new to corrupt utterly (to save Emma from the darkness) or they'll have to find a new way to defeat the darkness all together. Mayhaps they need a expert on magic? Perhaps one with a newly purified heart...
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Outtie, the Prankster admires your perseverance---all roads lead to Rumple.
MP reviewed the clip of the Sorcerer's final words ("get a life," he knows) and he is troubled by something: In order to defeat the Darkness, someone must find Merlin, who is far away, for he is the only one who can “destroy†the Darkness. The use of “destroy†raises a central question: If Merlin can destroy the darkness now, why couldn’t he destroy the darkness long ago? Did Merlin somehow gain power over time? Why did the writers not use “defeat, conquer, tame, control,†etc.? Was it a mistake or a foreshadowing of events? What is OUAT without Darkness?
The Prankster agrees with Outtie that the origin story of the first Dark One could be very interesting. The Prankster has another thought: If the Prankster is correct on the story, Emma is the most powerful sorceress ever to exist. If the dark magic progressively taints her white magic thereby making it additive, will Emma become the most powerful Dark One ever to exist, far more powerful than Rumple (who is an ordinary human) and perhaps rivaling Merlin himself?
Idea for a story line for Season 5b that might please Outtie: During 5a, a romantic triangle develops between Belle, Rumple and Will (Outtie hates it already). In the end, true love wins out and Belle hands Will his walking papers. Will vows revenge against Rumple or Rumple/Belle and the thief, conniver, deceiver, finagles his way into becoming the new Sorcerer’s Apprentice (we already know Merlin is not infallible, e.g., Isaac) at the end of 5a. A 5b storyline would be Will’s efforts to obtain his revenge against Rumple or Rumple/Belle.
Question: Has the identity of Zelena's father ever been revealed?
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Outtie, the Prankster admires your perseverance---all roads lead to Rumple.
Yes yes they do. But please note I have restrained my use of gifs somewhat in the last few weeks. You're welcome. No promises that I won't relapse at any moment though.
And you're right I hate that story idea, MP. One of the few good things Belle has said all season was saying she didn't love Will in the finale.
Question: Has the identity of Zelena's father ever been revealed?
Yes. It was a very disappointing scoundrel with no magical lineage whatsoever (that we were shown anyway) a story which has perplexed fans ever since given Zelena's extraordinarily precocious magical powers from infancy.
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I always thought that the Zelena's father thing was the mystery man in the gazebo but Linda's mind if full of placement testing, graduation and student problems, moving into a temporary location which hasn't been deciding, and Mayitis which happens at all uaniversities.
Merlin would be good but I fear he is not Zelena's father. While her evilness may come from Cora and her treatment, I think it is a little more pronounced. We've got to learn a lot more about Zelena before I'm buying it is Merlin.
To me, I always thought that Merlin, like Arthur, would sleep until Britain needed him again in their greatest time of need. I've actually read a history of WW II where people thought Churchhill was Merlin.
How about Aslan? Aslan is good and defeated evil with the stone table. What if Emma, like Aslan, must sacrifice her life to destroy all the evil. But the world cannot exist without ugliness in it. Maybe it is placed in another Pandora's Box?
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Basically Cora met 'Prince' Jonathan in her tavern. He gave her a straw ring and she took him to her room. Fast forward a few weeks and she's pregnant and looking for her 'prince'. she finds him (in a gazebo) and he was actually a gardener who then blackmailed her into stealing from Prince Leopold (who later married Eva and fathered Snow).
I suppose they could retcon Merlin in as 'prince' Jonathan (Zelena's father).
Someone find out who played him and if that actor shows up in the cast lists for season five then we'll know there is more to Jonathan and Cora's story. Of course that would pretty much make Merlin a villain... maybe Jonathan could be Arthur? Arthur has quite the history of producing children in bad situations (hello Mordred).
I can't see them bringing in Aslan and I kind of hope they won't because they'd probably ruin C.S. Lewis' vision.
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I suppose they could retcon Merlin in as 'prince' Jonathan (Zelena's father).
The Prankster likes the idea. In some of the literature Merlin is a shape-shifter. The Prankster suspects Lily will play a significant role in 5a, possibly tying into the Merlin quest. Her Daddy was in dragon form when she was conceived---whom might he be? Hmmmm........
The Prankster also hopes for the return of Cora in the back story. She is so deliciously evil---Regina, on her most evil day, is a piker compared to Cora.
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And according to IMBD -- Jonathan was played by New Zealand actor:
David de Lautour
For me, I always convinced myself that Aslan would be the last season when he invites Emma, Henry, Regina, Rumple and others to come further in and they find out why they crossed the waves of time like they did. Narnia's last book, The Last Battle, explains what happens after death. When the children who were kings and queens of Narnia (except for Susan) die in a train crash, they are jolted back to Narnia as their king and queen persona. There they find that the believers see on a higher plane than the nonbelievers of Aslan. As Aslan moves them away from the apocalypse destroying Narnia, they go into a new Narnia and Lucy eventually announces that there are many worlds connected here. When Lucy sees her parents, she finds that they died at the train wreck too. All are reunited as all worlds come together and Aslan tells all he is known by many names in other worlds. Well, that's how I'd play it anyway.
The good news is filming starts in July (if not already) and leaks should give a hint soon of where it's going.
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Link to adorable fan art I just found...
http://retrogrlfan.tumblr.com/tagged/pocketrumple
Pocket Rumple - so odd and yet so cute