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Non- Reality => Once Upon a Time => Topic started by: LindaM on September 28, 2015, 08:06:29 AM
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Okay -- I'll start. That show sort of blows the mind (especially the ending). I think I know what is going to happen. I think there are actually two Emma's now. What could have happened in Camelot that set her so against her parents. Held in prison while they enjoyed themselves? Here's my opinions on the characters last night.
1. I thought I'd love Arthur but the show is making him out as a brat. That's okay but I see no redeeming factors in his personality. He's supposed to be chivalrous. Why didn't he bring horses for his guests?
2. Dark Emma is surprisingly good. I don't want her to be the "dark one" but she's made an impression.
3. The show last night deserves an Emmy nod and Jennifer Morrison deserves a nom for her work also.
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Merlin
Merlin talking to little Emma in a theater showing 'Sword in the Stone' was cute and all. But I need more before I'll buy in on the OUAT version of Merlin. I know some stories say he ages backwards, but it's still weird to me.
Camelot :king:
I agree that Arthur wasn't the chivalric hero I was hoping for. I can only assume they wanted him to be less noble so when Guinevere leaves him for Lancelot it will make sense (never really did to me in the stories).
But having the dark dagger be the missing tip of Excalibur was probably the biggest jaw-dropper of the show. I loved it! Hopefully this piece of plot will work out as well as the reveal did for me. :great:
Merida
I liked her. Love the accent (of course) and her interactions were good. I hope the writer's don't ruin her story with a bad romance. (hint hint) (rumors rumors)
Emma
Dark Emma was better than expected (based on the horrible promo pics we saw early on), but I did expect more darkness and less 'struggle' considering all her own darkness has (supposedly) been removed since birth, which should I'd think make it harder for her to fight the darkness since she'd (allegedly) never really experienced that struggle before. But that 'all dark potential removed' crap happened in season four. So let's just forget that and move on. I'm sure the writer's have.
On Rumbelle
I was pleased to see Rumple in his coma and Belle actually saying she cared... though why she'd leave him like that, especially leaving him in the apparent care of the Blue Fairy is baffling to me. I'm not sure why Belle was going to Camelot (a scene where she discovered a rare book telling her how awesome Merlin was at curing magical comas would've helped explain why she was going. They better not have brought her just to babysit Neal AGAIN!). Note she was conspicuously absent when they returned (good grief not the memory lose AGAIN!). Not that anyone noticed. Hey maybe she was in the background and I missed her, but I sure didn't see her.
Dark Rumple :88:
...was the mostest awesomest thing ever. I've been starving for some good Dark Rumple scenes and this time my meal was delivered! So many good quips... too bad the rest of him had to be in a coma to get some good scenes. -Console-
The Charmings
Why did they bring baby Neal again? I guess maybe they thought they might not get to come back or perhaps they were planning on staying in the Enchanted Forest if possible. Or maybe the writer's heard a few fans criticizing them for always leaving the newborn with a babysitter and decided to just bring him along this time (he sure isn't growing very fast is he?)
Loved the video of Josh and Jenn LM! :035:
Regina :040:
As usual my biggest gripes are with her (you don't have to read this LM) ...how come Regina is suddenly too good to use the Apprentice's (mixed magic?) wand and yet Zelena isn't too bad? Are the writer's watching the show because just last season (a few days ago to Regina) she ripped out Belle's heart and used it to torment Rumple, not in some good heroic, let's beat the baddie (not that Rumple actually was the baddie) at his own game, but in a cruel and sadistic vendetta against someone who (in her mind) taunted her over his own happiness in the midst of her own unhappiness. And reading between the lines (with so few Rumple/Belle scenes in S4 I kind of have to) it seems like she's done this before to Belle and I personally find that despicable. Bottom line is - Regina is no hero. Not to me.
I found myself rooting for Zelena in this episode. I shouldn't want to do that. But at least she owns up to her bad self and doesn't act like she's changed, when the viewers (the ones who care about Belle at least) know that she (Regina) hasn't changed at all. She's just changed her targets.
Plus Zelena is a real scenery chewer. Always fun to watch her be bad. :97:
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Yeah-- Zelena is a scenery chewer and I love her for that. That whole Regina/Zelena thing didn't make sense to me either. Of course with Rebecca a "regular," they have to do something.
Did you notice that when they returned all were dressed as courtiers. I saw a spoiler this morning where Regina has to assume the "leader" role to deal with what happened to Emma. And they are doing two seasons again in one with Emma being the featured character the whole season. I'll try to find that link again.
And did they have to resort to "lost memory" again!!!! Isn't that getting old.
The hints of Narnia are back which I like. I still say that they should use some of the Last Battle in the series finale.
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I found these yesterday. Love 'em. Roll those eyes Belle! :clap:
:D
Anyway, the idea of using Last Battle to end the series is an intriguing one and could really fit the core idea of good vs. evil, light vs. dark, but... if they did use it, I'm pretty sure they would take out everything that really mattered about the book. The part about only those who served Aslan making it through to 'Aslan's country', the bit about Susan being left behind because she no longer believed (and if they did use the Susan bit it would probably be Rumple left behind the way the writing seems to lean), that part would be hard to write because Susan did nothing 'wrong' in a worldly sense. She just stopped believing in Aslan and I've heard/read complains/arguments for years about that being unfair (Susan being left behind), but to me, C. S. Lewis was making a point with Susan to show people that good works in and of themselves are not enough if you don't believe. Even if they replaced belief in God with belief in 'magic', I still don't think they'd go there. It would probably be more like, people who use dark magic are bad (except for Regina) and don't get to go into the light. Rumple like Ben in LOST would be left on a bench outside the church regretting his life. Though to me the only thing he should regret is saving the town from Peter Pan.
On the other hand they could just do a general, 'oh no! The whole town blew up and everybody's dead... fade to black... fade in on a bright day in The Enchanted Forest where everyone who ever died on the show is waiting for them and then everybody hugs and walks into the light together.'
I'm making fun a bit, but I do love LOST and I still love OUAT. I just don't want to go through another season frustrated like I was last season. The writing in S4 was so poor and the characters (especially Rumple and Belle) were so forced to go against what was already established that I just don't trust the writers anymore. And I know I crap on Regina a lot, but I would think her fans would be equally upset about the heart thing with Belle since it spoils her entire redemption arc, even if that isn't acknowledged on the show, to me that's not something a hero would do and at the very least she owes Rum and Belle a genuine apology in front of witnesses (including Henry).
Hey Eddie, Adam and OUAT cast, raise your hand if you liked the writing in season four...
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At least it was a pretty good premiere with lots of Rumple quips. I'm not complaining about that! I'm rooting for you season five!
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Actually I just saw a spoiler on Twitter with Jennifer. I took on a twitter account because my student who had it graduated. Let's just say, the could do the first one now with a good/bad Emma if what I saw pans out. No more of a hint than that because you don't like spoiler.
Easily, they can leave the Susan bit out. Or make it Zelena easily. So if Zelena is Susan, who is Lucy. And here's what I'm thinking about the Aslan bit. Emma/Savior versus Emma/Witch.
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Zelena may not be the only new mommy in Storybrook! Emilie de Ravin has announced that she's pregnant.
Rumple better wake up and get to work real soon or the darn writers will decide to make Will the father, icky as that may be!
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Or they'll just write Belle out of the rest of season five once the actress starts to show. :(
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Adam (executive producer) responded to that last night. Emile will not be written out. They're happy for her. So no chance of her disappearing and i :72: about it better not be Will's kid. In fact, I hope Will has disappeared off the canvas.
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Last night's shows has me still trying to figure out some clues. I need to rewatch it but don't when I can. Here's what I got.
Regina isn't the "Savior" because she still has evil in her. It takes the entire town to rescue Robin even though Regina was willing to give her life to save her love. It takes a village may be the theme this year.
Can Emma really destroy what she loves to put that stupid sword back together? No way cause that would be Henry, Hook, and her mother and father. I don't think she's that evil and never could be.
Have they kept "Hood" to become the next Kenny on this show? South Park did flash in front of my eyes.
King Arthur and Queen Guinevere. Don't like either one of them! Both seem to be using our team for no good. And why does he want that sword united and for what reason.
Where is Merlin? Shouldn't he make an appearance?
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I was disappointed that they saved Robin, especially so easily. I felt like they spoiled the surprise of him getting 'killed'. That and I don't care about his character that much so the emotional stakes to see him spared weren't there. I was sadder about Dopey being turned into a tree and he's never had a line in the show.
Speaking of trees - Merlin was (apparently) inside a tree in Camelot and then poor Dopey gets turned into a tree by leaving town. Not sure if Merlin is behind this latest curse, but it's certainly related.
On the 'Price' of magic... I'm a bit confused here. Now I've only watched it once so I could have a few things wrong, but it seemed like Regina/Emma got in trouble by Emma using her dark powers to save Robin without a price (why not just ask her for a lock of her hair huh? Worked for Rumple with Snow!) and that caused that banshee/demon thing to show up in another realm six weeks later to try and claim/reclaim Robin Hood? Rumple has used his magic before to help people without asking for a price - healing Belle's wound (you known from when Hook shot her in the back - why are they friends now with no real apology from Hook btw?) and healing Charming's Dreamshade problem from Neverland. So how come Emma is suddenly in deep dark do do over healing Robin Hood?
I agree that I don't like Arthur and Guinevere. Seem shady as heck, granted our characters ARE lying to them, so they have reason to be doubtful.
Why kill off Percival? My Arthurian knight memory is a little fuzzy, but wasn't he the one who found the Holy Grail? I was also a little startled to see our hero Prince Charming run the guy through without a pause or a regret afterwards. I thought killing was bad? Add to that, I was under the impression that Percival was only going after Regina because SHE MURDERED HIS WHOLE FAMILY AND SMILED ABOUT IT! It doesn't sound to me like he was a villain at all.
Still love that the Dark Dagger is the other half of Excalibur somehow. Even if Emma having the sword in the stone in her basement or something is weird as heck.
I think if Merlin was in that tree than they probably got him out while they were in Camelot. Now whether he's still in Camelot or if he's hiding out in Storybrook somewhere or locked up in Emma's basement... I have no idea. They're probably saving him for the midseason finale.
I'm glad that Belle won't be written out, though that could mean anything really. I think they need to do one of the following:
1. Let Belle be pregnant on the show....
. Merlin/Emma whoever transfers Zelena's baby into Belle
. Belle tells sleeping Rumple that she's pregnant and assures him (and us) that it's his and she never ever slept with Will.
. Rumple wakes up and gets busy right away.
2. Hide the pregnancy...
. Hey Belle that's a nice high desk you have there. Do you want to come out? Not for a few months. Ok.
. Hey Belle that's a swell coat you have. How come you're wearing a coat in the summer?
They could also have her constantly eating in every scene and pretend she's just filling her Rumple void with Reeses Peanut Butter Cups. As you do.
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I was sadder about Dopey being turned into a tree and he's never had a line in the show.
Dopey is my favorite! Made me sad that this happened but they may be able to bring him back when Emma is "good" again. You know that has to happen! Doesn't it?
Speaking of trees - Merlin was (apparently) inside a tree in Camelot and then poor Dopey gets turned into a tree by leaving town. Not sure if Merlin is behind this latest curse, but it's certainly related.
Merlin was everywhere. When he "died" or fell asleep (if you please) due to his young lover, it was in a cave. Arthur too sleep and will awaken when England needs him the most. Some people thought that was WW II. I just got T. H. Elliott's Once and Future King and I need to re-read that.
On another note, the knight that Arthur killed was supposed to be his step-brother who went on to serve as a Knight of the Round Table. Error one in Camelot and where I started doubting Arthur. Now Percival (who did go on the Grail quest) bit the dust. It's like this Arthur doesn't know the story. And Guin is just as cunning and evil as Arthur. How could Lancelot fall for her. She's supposed to be unassuming (and gullible as I read her back when I read this for my 16th century English class).[/quote]
On the 'Price' of magic... I'm a bit confused here. Now I've only watched it once so I could have a few things wrong, but it seemed like Regina/Emma got in trouble by Emma using her dark powers to save Robin without a price (why not just ask her for a lock of her hair huh?
It's: Magic comes with a price. I agree. They never had to "pay" for doing magic to save anyone before. And mind Rumple changed it again. To utilize the "dark magic" you have to give up EVERYTHING you love -- even your memories of your loved one. That's why he could go completely dark. I really need to rewatch this again.
Still love that the Dark Dagger is the other half of Excalibur somehow. Even if Emma having the sword in the stone in her basement or something is weird as heck.
Agree. There is something deeper here. I still think the sacrifice will have to be Emma's sacrifice. Either she dies or (and I hate to say this) Henry must. Does she love darkness enough to give up her son? Or if we are going Narnia, it would be Regina. Regina could equate to Edmund who Aslan gave his life for.
At least his season has us talking and asking questions.
Regarding Belle -- wouldn't it be neat if they tell us at mid-season that Rumple's redemption has left a gift with her -- a boy child who may or may not inherit the "dark spirit."
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Merlin was everywhere. When he "died" or fell asleep (if you please) due to his young lover, it was in a cave. Arthur too sleep and will awaken when England needs him the most. Some people thought that was WW II. I just got T. H. Elliott's Once and Future King and I need to re-read that.
On another note, the knight that Arthur killed was supposed to be his step-brother who went on to serve as a Knight of the Round Table. Error one in Camelot and where I started doubting Arthur. Now Percival (who did go on the Grail quest) bit the dust. It's like this Arthur doesn't know the story. And Guin is just as cunning and evil as Arthur. How could Lancelot fall for her. She's supposed to be unassuming (and gullible as I read her back when I read this for my 16th century English class).
I was just thinking tonight about this educational? computer game I had as a kid. I don't really remember much so many computer games later, but I remember at one point it would come on with the quote;
‘HIC IACET ARTHURUS, REX QUONDAM REXQUE FUTURUS’
Here lies Arthur, the once and future king'
I had to look up the Latin bit of course, but the English version (spoken in a very deep male voice) has stuck with me all these years.
I don't know that I like the idea of Belle giving birth to a demon. Gabrielle did that in Xena and it really didn't work out very well as I recall. :043:
As for Emma, unless it's confirmed that this will be the last season, I don't think they would kill off Emma and I don't think they have the guts to kill Henry in a family show. I'm going with (spoilers for one of my ideas to end of the season five fanfiction...) is that Merlin will pull the darkness out of Emma (as his Apprentice did for Rumple) and then Zelena, always greedy for power, will willingly take it on and just like Emma she'll disappear back to The Enchanted Forest and will thus be someone else's problem.
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I was just thinking tonight about this educational? computer game I had as a kid. I don't really remember much so many computer games later, but I remember at one point it would come on with the quote;
‘HIC IACET ARTHURUS, REX QUONDAM REXQUE FUTURUS’
Here lies Arthur, the once and future king'
I had to look up the Latin bit of course, but the English version (spoken in a very deep male voice) has stuck with me all these years.
I don't know that I like the idea of Belle giving birth to a demon. Gabrielle did that in Xena and it really didn't work out very well as I recall. :043:
As for Emma, unless it's confirmed that this will be the last season, I don't think they would kill off Emma and I don't think they have the guts to kill Henry in a family show. I'm going with (spoilers for one of my ideas to end of the season five fanfiction...) is that Merlin will pull the darkness out of Emma (as his Apprentice did for Rumple) and then Zelena, always greedy for power, will willingly take it on and just like Emma she'll disappear back to The Enchanted Forest and will thus be someone else's problem.
OKay -- I remember reading that. The Latin is always printed in the versions I have read followed by the English. Arthur slumbers until needed then awakes. Of course, this new Arthur could sleep and no one would miss him. He just wants to be king.
Forgot about Gabrielle's baby. And let's not forget Angel's child of evil from the Angel series. And killing Henry I agree is doubtful although ABC use to be known of as "dead baby month" during May for killing off children.
I'm still going with Emma has to give her life like Aslan did. Then she rises, like Aslan did, as good. That way the Savior is set as Emma. Whether it is by sacrifice of Merlin saving her from dying, I'm not sure. And I'm sure she will give her life for either Henry or even Regina. Emma has seen Regina as being good and if Regina saves Henry, Emma would protect her.
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He's awake! He's Awake!
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Knew you would be happy. Not happy he's in Evil Emma's clutches. The show is getting interesting. It seemed like so much happened in the first 10 minutes but the whole hour was jammed full.
I knew Lancelot couldn't just vanish.
I knew Arthur was evil. Wouldn't it be funny if he IS Modred. We know cloaking magic exists.
Arthur is a power hungry twit who is nothing more than a cult leader. Wonder when David will figure it out. Is it just me or should David be playing the lead in Clueless?
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I'm not happy that #1 Rumple and Belle are separated AGAIN, but also like you that Emma is apparently using him to get Excalibur out of the stone. But overall I liked the episode. Regina's bad character is finally being acknowledged again by the writs with her basically telling Zelena that she is out of chances (just how many chances have you had Regina?) and that she and Robin will take the child while Zelena will be what... Dead?
I enjoyed the stuff with Arthur and Charming as a sort of fun adventure of silliness and of course Arthur is a bad dude everyone saw that coming. But the car vs. horse chase was hilarious.
I'm super happy that Belle is back to caring about her husband (thank you writers!) but again, I would rather they were allowed to be together, something Rumbelle is rarely allowed (boo to the writers for that one!)
Is that really Lancelot? I'm sure that Cora could well have lied about killing him, but that doesn't mean I'm taking his survival as cannon just yet.
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No -- I think it is Lancelot. And we've had shapeshifting before. That's why I think Arthur is Modred. Went back and checked the facts. Modred took over the kingdom while Arthur was off once with Guinever as queen. Boy that woman got around.
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Vote here
http://vote.peopleschoice.com/#!/home/all/44/2
for Josh Dallas and (write in) below for Robert Carlyle for best sci-fi actor in the People's Choice Awards!
I have to write in Robert Carlyle really? Who does their research? :41:
Once you votes for men, the page should automatically go to the women's category where you can vote for both Jenny's and again, you can write in for Emily de Ravin. :16:
There are also categories where you can vote for Once and Doctor Who for best sci-fi show and lots more. Plus you don't have to vote in categories you have no opinion on (Yah!).
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OK. That was pretty good actually. All the Camelot backstory came together nicely enough. Opening the Dark Vault without sacrificing a beloved character ok, I'm still with you. A little miffed perhaps, but still with you. Fixing a broken Camelot with Avon dust. Cool. Fixing your doubtful/straying wife with dust, um, I guess. 'Fixing' a mother and father into (I think) betraying their own daughter? That I don't buy. Unless of course the dust doesn't really 'repair' broken things so much as act like a pulled out heart to control whoever gets dusted under the duster's whim.
Maybe Rumple meant 'fixing' in the Bob Barker kind of sense. :)
OK that doesn't make any sense either. :embarrassed:
Still unsure of the whole plot point regarding Rumple becoming a hero, but I'm really hoping it turns out for the best. I'm not expecting that it will, but hope remains. :victory:
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Still trying to get my head around the following:
Guin and Lancelot go tracking the Evil One 5 years before our heroes arrive.
Rumple gives her the potion then.
Arthur gets the potion, uses it on her to remove thoughts of Lance (among other things).
Has enough left over for Camelot also.
Goes with Guin to track the dagger
He confronts Lance and Mary Margaret who give him that cock and bull story and fake dagger and David arrives and more of the same.
David and MM have Arthur in Storybooke only to be surrounded with Arthur's men.
Guin enters and uses more of the magic on them so they will get the dagger and give it to Arthur.
We go back 6 weeks for them to get the dagger.
Lance is in jail with Merida yet Merida is tied to Emma's car and has her heart yanked out.
I'm still trying to figure all this out!
Overall good show but mindblowing.
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Something is not ringing true of the "dark Swan." I'm not sure but I think we have a scheme going.......
WOW is all I will say about tonight's episode.
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Wow is my general comment too.
Will say Jennifer Morrison is really getting good at playing dark and I was super surprised that Merlin got out of the tree so quick. I can't wait to see what happens. Season 5 is definitely better than 4 by a mile.
As for Next Week on...
Oh no not again!
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I never put too much hope into the previews.
Didn't like the ending at all. Now Emma is the Regina and Regina is the Emma. This scene and the look on Emma's face made me think she's playing at being bad but isn't. Could she need Excalibur to vanquish Arthur for good. He wants control of the world so he wants the dark one. I HATE ARTHUR!
And where is Merlin in the Storybrooke community hmm? Hiding from Arthur or giving secret directions to Emma?
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One of Robert Carlyle's best films just got a nod from Rolling Stone...
http://www.rollingstone.com/movies/features/to-serve-man-why-ravenous-is-the-greatest-cannibal-western-ever-20151027?page=2
bon appetit! :103:
I was wondering where Merlin was myself. Is Emma in league with him in some complicated plot to save everyone? Did he turn out to be a jerk and Emma put him right back in the tree? How long was he a tree? If he was put in that tree during Arthur's lifetime than shouldn't the Dark One who trapped him have been Rumple? If it was Rumple why hide the face? To me the only reason to hide the face like that is to either hide an actor so that the reveal that so and so is really the dark one is a surprise or to hide something about that dark one... is it a woman? If that is a different Dark One than we've seen (pre-Zoso) then the scene had to take place more than (possible much more than) two hundred years ago and if that scene took place two hundred years ago than how did Merlin visit young Arthur and young Emma while he was stuck in a tree?
As for next week BOO! that Belle gets kidnapped AGAIN. :c029:
Yeah that it looks like Rumple and Belle will actually be AWAKE in the same scene together for as Elsa would say 'the first time in forever'. :whoo:
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Ahhh. Togetherness. At last.
Wanna hear a OUAT joke I just read?
Q - How could Merida read the Rumbelle story (from Henry's book) and not melt?
A - She literally has no heart.
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It's official . . .
Cora is returning for the 100th episode.
http://www.tvguide.com/news/once-upon-a-time-barbara-hershey/
Now will Neal somehow make a cameo also.
Belle being kidnapped is predictable, isn't it. Tired of that plot device.
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Oh my goodness so many feelings so much Rumbelle. I hardly know where to begin. I do feel happy right after watching so I'd have to say that overall I feel pretty positive about the episode.
I think my favorite bit was when Hook, Regina and the Charmings were crapping on Rumple and how many chances he had (again Regina did more bad on screen and in less than a quarter of the time Rumple had and if Hook is now a hero than at some level he should feel BAD about what he did to Rumple before he was even the dark one) and Belle actually put on her big girl pants and stood up to them. Seriously Rumple was helpless at this point and the 'heroes' of the show turned their collective backs on him!
Oh and shame on Regina for starving a pregnant woman. Even if it is Zelena murderer of Baelfire. Her baby is innocent.
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Rumbelle was the best part. The Merida stuff was the worse. No Emma and no real plot development except she got the sword. New big question: Why was Merlin afraid of her or was it the first really big bad???
I really wanted to see the Librarians and chose this. I'm not sure why but the plot for the librarians (lost staff) seemed to echo lost Excalibur.
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Rumbelle was the best part. The Merida stuff was the worse. No Emma and no real plot development except she got the sword. New big question: Why was Merlin afraid of her or was it the first really big bad???
I really wanted to see the Librarians and chose this. I'm not sure why but the plot for the librarians (lost staff) seemed to echo lost Excalibur.
I was wondering that too, about Merlins 'answering machine' message being from the time he turned into a tree and not him cowering in fear from Emma.
As for the Librarians, I watched their first season and was planning on watching this one, but for some reason TNT (just TNT as far as I can tell) isn't getting a signal on my dish so it didn't tape!
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Librarians was good (2nd half at any rate) this season. Call the company and ask what's up.
Guess who else is returning for the 100th episode . . . Robbie Kay as Peter Pan. I know Heroes Reborn will be through by then. And I've actually liked last week's episode of that show. Robbie's character is Claire's son.
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My TNT is back now, but it doesn't look like the episodes I missed are replaying any time soon. :( I have finally caught up on new Heroes and I was so out for a while. I was just waiting for the promised return of Hero (my favorite) and I have to say that since he's been back the series has gotten good. Did not see the twist with the babies coming. But seriously, they couldn't get the Claire actress back to play dead for a 10 second cameo? That show made her, she should have the decency to give them a few hours of her time. OK maybe there was a good reason, but if not shame on the cheerleader.
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Glad to hear Pan is back since I thought that plot was great (even if Neverland itself dragged on a little more than necessary). I'm assuming flashbacks since he's you know dead. But Zelena... do I need to end that sentence?
About Merida's story line... if the reason they didn't want Merida to rule was because she was a woman (which historically never happens unless no male heirs are available anyway), why not make one of her THREE brothers king? I know the one guy wanted to take over the aligned kingdoms, so I get his motive, but wouldn't every one else just point out the obvious that they have three dudes they could crown in her place? I think the Scottish crown actually passed between cousins or something in those days anyway. Not that Merida is really in literal Scotland.
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I found a link to this tonight. I'd never read this person's recaps before, but I may have to start. I laughed a lot.
http://www.tv.com/shows/once-upon-a-time-2011/community/post/once-upon-a-time-season-5-episode-6-the-bear-and-the-bow-review-144640653415/?fullstory=1
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Sean -- AKA Robin -- posted an interesting photo of him and Lara today. Do you want to know what it was in front of?????
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Sean -- AKA Robin -- posted an interesting photo of him and Lara today. Do you want to know what it was in front of?????
sure. Unless it spoils something major plot wise. You know like a dagger that says Snow White or something. :D
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How about a clock tower on the ground!
Can't really put my thoughts of last night's episode into words yet. Did they travel back to Storybrooke twice. If Zelena couldn't speak how did she tell evil Arthur a plan?
Can we just get rid of Arthur?
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Due to more Dish drama ??? I've only just watched the episode. Only a few things to say at the moment...
I wasn't thrilled at the use of the Holy Grail. I know it's a fictional item (allegedly) but it is linked to Jesus Christ and it didn't quite feel right, if that makes any sense at all. And yet when Monty Python does it... hilarious. Weird.
Nimue wasn't impressive either as a human or a Dark One... until the final scenes with all the hooded (uncasted) Dark Ones past. I thought that scene was good.
Merlin's name being on the bottom half is interesting.
Zelena side-plot... whatever. It mostly felt like filler to keep the main cast (minus Rumple and Belle) in the episode. Plus I'm really starting to wish they'd just let Zelena and her baby go back to Oz already. As a Rumple fan I despise a great deal about Zelena and I was thrilled when Rumple 'killed' her, but I'm tired of this Regina/Zelena/Robin plot. Just send her off to get her thousandth chance and maybe just maybe motherhood will make her a slightly better person. You know like Regina. Slightly better in the fewer villages burnt lately category.
Once made the cut for People Choice! Vote Here for OUAT, skip forward a couple to vote for one of the Ginny's as best sci-fi actress...
http://vote.peopleschoice.com/#!/home/all/43/2
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My final decision on the episode ---
Whatever with Zelena
I still think that Merlin and Emma has something up.
Uniting the sword was impressive.
Nimue was much better in the books! She bested Merlin where she didn't before.
How many times did they come back from Camelot. The first episode they returned in Granny's, this time they didn't.
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How about a clock tower on the ground!
Can't really put my thoughts of last night's episode into words yet. Did they travel back to Storybrooke twice. If Zelena couldn't speak how did she tell evil Arthur a plan?
Can we just get rid of Arthur?
DOWNED CLOCK TOWER
Interesting. I can't wait to see how that happens! My initial thought was earthquake, but I think some kind of magic battle is more likely. Maybe Emma will fling Zelena through the tower or something.
I'd be fine with getting rid of Arthur too. What a disappointment he is both to Camelot lore in general and as a villain on OUAT.
I'm confused about the timeline too. It's feeling more jumbled than usual and I just read a post that said they screwed up the time card and the date will be changed on the DVD from 200 to 500 years. I did wonder about that but I figured I must've read it wrong. If Nimue became the DO only 200 yeArs ago than the timeline would be really screwed up re: Rumple, Zoso and ALL those other DArk ones only being inside a 200 year span. As it is I think 500 is awfully tight for the number of DO's they showed behind Nimue. Seriously how did that many dark ones die in less than 300 years?(Rumple age is believed to be somewhere between 200-250).
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Something fun...
http://thewordsearch.com/puzzle/2630/once-upon-a-time-characters/
Also I had an idea for the midseason break. There is always a lot of talk about how many people the 'heroes' have killed without apparently blackening their hearts. I suggest we go back and re-watch the whole series and do a body count for each main castmember and see who really should have the blackest heart.
Battle scenes would probably be the hardest to count. I'd say stabbed = dead - conked on the head = alive - arrow wound would depend on where it hit.
There are other problems of course, like how many deaths do you assign for a village. Do ogres count at all? It's interesting isn't it?
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Very plus I plan to start rewatching for the book. I'll have to watch at night of course, and all the good shows end around December 10th.
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DOUBLE DOUBLE DARK ONE
Well... Didn't see that one coming.
I'm onboard with a wound from Excalibur being unhealable, but he didn't look as hurt as he was acting. To see him writhing in the field you'd have thought he had a fatal chest wound or something, not a gash on his neck that even magic couldn't heal. Maybe Emma cloaked his cut so well that we didn't see all the massive blood loss that was I assume killing Hook.
ZELENA
"If the Dark One gives you onion rings don't eat them!" -rollinglaugh-
The accelerated birth stuff worked well with Belle actually getting one wrong in thinking it was the baby Emma wanted, when in fact she just wanted Zelena so that she could kill her/uber darken her. Whatever that was. Again I'm not comfortable with them handing Regina Zelena's baby. That whole plot point has been icky.
MERIDA
Look I love Scotland, but after Birth the Bear King felt like a let down. So much happened in Birth and in Bear King we just got Merida becoming Queen again. Sure we got Ruby back with an interesting if stupid explanation for how she ended up in the Enchanted Forest (loved that she was the witches pet wolf though), really they had a magic been and Snow just let Ruby take it without a thought to how useful it could be or you know, trying to grow more?
Mulan... Man Robin Hood mustve corrupted her. Now she's a mopey thief or something? Or was she working for King Ferguson first and then she was the thief in the tavern. I wasn't paying strict attanetion I guess.
NEXT TIME IN OUAT
Hook is now an all powerful Dark One so he goes after Rumple again. What a shock. Why don't you shoot Belle in the back again too. That would be swell. ::)
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OKay -- this is what my student and I discussed via email. She's in London but keep up with it better than before.
My response:
Okay – are there two “Dark Ones†or has Hook become the Dark One and Emma back to being only the savior? That’s the one thing I’m unclear on. In some ways it makes sense for Hook to be the Dark One. Hey. It will get rid of him for us. Also, he has to overcome the evil inside which means he will have to struggle. Seeing him fight it might be interesting but we know he won’t win. If you saw the preview you would know what I mean.
I’m seeing a pattern develop. The “Dark One†will eventually consume either Arthur or Zelena. Regardless of which, Zelena will be the new “big bad†on the show which will be good. She’s cunning but always loses. If Arthur is the “Dark One†he’ll easily be defeated. He’s dumb.
Another option is that Merlin gets all the power and thus puts himself into the deep sleep that we know he is supposed to fall into. He will sleep until the battle rages and he must unleash the force that sets the world back to where it should be.
I’m hearing LOST images will be seen in the last half so I’m wondering if they’re going to put good and evil on an island. Again, Merlin and Arthur makes more sense here than regulars Hook and Emma.
Her response:
I have a theory, which if this were season one or two, would be spot on, but the writers have thrown logic and reason out the window so to speak... I think that Merlin and Nimove together will be the key to defeating the darkness. I think they will both be lost but be together. I would rather not have Zelena be the big bad again, we already did that for like two seasons, and it was silly enough the first time through.
Just when I am starting to like Hook, ok tolerating him. He becomes the dark one. How has he already not noticed that he has powers and can make things happen? Emma seemed like a selfish savior in Camelot by enacting this whole curse and turning herself and Hook dark just to save his life... She in turn effectively gave up her son and caused all of this raucous in SB. Nevertheless, we shall see what happens.
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DOUBLE DOUBLE DARK ONE
Well... Didn't see that one coming.
I'm onboard with a wound from Excalibur being unhealable, but he didn't look as hurt as he was acting.
I think he was trying for the John Barrowman over acting death scene. Yeah, Colin hasn't even posted anything about that over do on Twitter that I've seen. I really can't see someone who comes across as almost comic being the dark one but I would rather it be him than Em.
ZELENA
"If the Dark One gives you onion rings don't eat them!" -rollinglaugh-
The accelerated birth stuff worked well with Belle actually getting one wrong in thinking it was the baby Emma wanted, when in fact she just wanted Zelena so that she could kill her/uber darken her. Whatever that was. Again I'm not comfortable with them handing Regina Zelena's baby. That whole plot point has been icky.
Had problems with this whole thing but it's been done before on sci-fi. I think Doctor Who did it (with Amy maybe)? Anyway, it was good to see Dr. Whale back. And I was a little upset with the disregard Zelena showed to having her baby stolen after she got her powers back. And if she was with Arthur how did she lose them anyway????
MERIDA
Look I love Scotland, but after Birth the Bear King felt like a let down. So much happened in Birth and in Bear King we just got Merida becoming Queen again. Sure we got Ruby back with an interesting if stupid explanation for how she ended up in the Enchanted Forest (loved that she was the witches pet wolf though), really they had a magic been and Snow just let Ruby take it without a thought to how useful it could be or you know, trying to grow more?
Mulan... Man Robin Hood mustve corrupted her. Now she's a mopey thief or something? Or was she working for King Ferguson first and then she was the thief in the tavern. I wasn't paying strict attanetion I guess.
Second part first. I think she went to robbing because she lost faith with Ferguson's group. The question is why Mulan would lose faith.
Yes, Bear was a let down but it is setting something up. If it was only about Merida getting her crown, why was Arthur the one who killed daddy. Now she's sworn to get Arthur, she's in Storybrooke, and she's likely to be more with the Neverland gang with the Arthurian recruits. I understand why they showed this particular episode (due to American Music Awards). It just seemed slightly out of kilter except for the ending of the episode. Declaring war was good!
NEXT TIME IN OUAT
Hook is now an all powerful Dark One so he goes after Rumple again. What a shock. Why don't you shoot Belle in the back again too. That would be swell. ::)
We should realize that Gold is his first target. My question is would Em have to help?
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Had problems with this whole thing but it's been done before on sci-fi. I think Doctor Who did it (with Amy maybe)? Anyway, it was good to see Dr. Whale back. And I was a little upset with the disregard Zelena showed to having her baby stolen after she got her powers back. And if she was with Arthur how did she lose them anyway????
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I was also wondering how Zelena got shackled again before they returned to Storybrooke. Maybe she was never reshackled? Maybe Emma just cloaked the fact that she was free and made her think she was still in the cuff?
Amy was a little different. If I'm remembering correctly I believe she was kept in some kind of prison during most of her pregnancy, but with her mind being channeled into a duplicate on the tardis. So she didn't know she was pregnant until her real self went into labor.
Oh and I meant to mention Whale. I was weirdly happy to see him back and the banter between him and Regina was great, as was seeing him get blasted into a wall. AGAIN.
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And another returning character has been added. Young Lily will make an appearance. Seems she's been filming a Center Stage movie with Chloe from Dance Moms in Vancouver. Saw the announcements on some Dance Mom stuff and confirmed it.
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I guess I'm glad that they're not just sweeping the whole Lily thing under the rug (not that I would blame them If they tried) but I'm not a fan of the lily/Emma dark potential egg thief stupid Charmings storyline so I hope they fix it up somehow.
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http://www.thetvjunkies.com/once-upon-a-time-most-romantic-moments/?utm_content=bufferbbc83&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer
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http://www.buddytv.com/articles/once-upon-a-time/once-upon-a-time-poll-does-rum-57992.aspx#comments
Good grief LM but your site needs a new OUAT blogger. At least the poll/comment section is pro-Rumple and Belle. kiss1
Elderly uncle?! :32:
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Haven't you guessed. I'm not allowed to write Once anymore. And I'm thisclose to leaving that site for good. I'm only covering Reign and that was to help them out. I've fired a shot and no one listens. The main editor knows my feelings but he has put someone in charge who is an idiot. She thinks people want personality games. Sheesh, I want news. And recaps -- well don't get me started on those. Mine are always too long and too full of details. And I don't know how to title them appropriately. I'm not long for there. VENT OVER!
RumBelle is leading by a strong margin (70%). So good to see that. More later.
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OH, here's a question. How do we count Maleficient. Charming killed her in the Enchanted Forest, Emma killed her in Storybrooke, but she's still alive and well.
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...that is a good question. It might come down to humanity. Emma slayed a dragon.... I'm not overly inclined to call that killing. But then again we could look back to TNGs 'The Measure of a Man' and ask what makes someone human. What's the difference between a man and an animal. I assume that even in dragon form malificient had awareness beyond animal instinct, so Emma slaying her as a dragon was still a kill. But then again Rumple reanimated her later so she didn't stay dead.
Maybe we need extra columns in our count
# humans killed
# villages massacred
# misc. deadish magical beings
Oh btw I came across the picture you mentioned of the clock tower and wth. It's not just smashed on the ground it looked like it busted out of the pavement or something. Can't wait to see what happens there.
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http://www.buddytv.com/articles/once-upon-a-time/once-upon-a-time-poll-does-rum-57992.aspx#comments
Good grief LM but your site needs a new OUAT blogger. At least the poll/comment section is pro-Rumple and Belle. kiss1
Elderly uncle?! :32:
My response:
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I'm actually starting a book on the show. When you look at the overall storylines, the Rumbelle storyline has sustained many trials and is still very good. I don't care that he's older than her. Look at Trump! The thing I want in a show is a good story and a cast who knows how to bring it to life. These actors know what they're doing. The show still has stories that make you think.
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Had nothing better to do so I watched The Pilot and it was awesome!
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I'd forgotten how truly well plotted the first season was and how well acted. Anyhow, enough fangirling. We have a death count to work on...there was only one death caused by a main character in 1.1. Charming Killing one of Regina's black guards. He was fighting two, one he knocked out or something and the other he ran through with his sword. If attempted murder counts technically Regina attempted to kill Snow White with a poisoned apple and Charming attempted to kill Regina by throwing a sword at her. But the only identifiable killing by a main character was the black guard.
1.1 The Pilot
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I just realized -- years ago I did a soap piece on violence on soaps. Send me your email and if I can find it, I'll send it on.
On this one -- Emma's lost her magic but my question is: if Hook is now Dark could Emma be good.
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I had hoped no Galivant!
I do think the Captain Swan haters may be getting their wish.
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I am so sick of this crap with Belle. Rumple has done nothing to warrant this mess of a storyline in the first place and now NOW when he is quite literally the pure hearted hero she always wanted... she basically dumps him. I'm done. I hope Hook rips her fickle unfaithful heart out and crushes it.
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Hey -- don't count Rumple out. I think something may happen next week to make him a hero. I'm also afraid Emma will die. The title is "Swan Song."
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Spoiler -- read if you dare? I'm still reading. And you know if they do incorporate Belle's pregnancy, which i hear they will, it has to be Rumple's.
http://cartermatt.com/187803/once-upon-a-time-season-5-episode-11-fall-finale-jennifer-morrison-cast-vs-army-of-darkness/
http://www.idigitaltimes.com/once-upon-time-season-5-episode-11-preview-will-hook-die-winter-finale-plus-6-494288
http://www.christianpost.com/news/once-upon-a-time-season-5-episode-11-spoilers-what-will-happen-in-the-winter-finale-151347/
By the way -- isn't the only way to kill a dark one to stab him. Also, can't there only be one dark one at a time. Now we have three (Gold, Emma, and Hook). Just make Emma the savior again and get rid of Hook.
http://www.ibtimes.com.au/once-upon-time-season-5-spoilers-emma-swan-vs-captain-hook-storybrooke-heroes-danger-episode-11
http://www.mnrdaily.com/article/once.upon.a.time.season.5.episode.11.spoilers.epic.battle.ahead.against.the.dark.one.army/6315.htm
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I have listened to some podcasts (happy I wasn't the only one upset by the Belle at the well scene. At least there's that) and one reminded us that Zoso reverted back into the old man he really was just before he died, so why are all these Dark Ones still dark if they were in hell all this time? Shouldn't they all be human again now that the 'Darkness' has moved on to a new (two in fact) host? I agree that that is weird and also that having so many people afflicted by 'The' dark curse at once seems not right somehow. Not that writer's care right?
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Exactly and how can there be two dark ones at one time. The fan drawing that Adam H picked this week on twitter was of Emma in a boat which I figured was on the river Styx. I've wracked my brain for a "Greek/Roman" myth and the only thing I have come up with Peresphone and Demeter.
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Exactly and how can there be two dark ones at one time. The fan drawing that Adam H picked this week on twitter was of Emma in a boat which I figured was on the river Styx. I've wracked my brain for a "Greek/Roman" myth and the only thing I have come up with Peresphone and Demeter.
So you think Hades will show up and demand to marry Emma and then Snow will make it winter until she gets her daughter back?
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Sorry. It's been awhile since I read that myth.
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No -- this Snow is too wimpy.
With these writers, who knows what will happen. Oh, if you want to read about a show desperate for ratings go read my recap of Reign for the past two week. I thought sex was outlawed in an 8:00 PM show
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No -- this Snow is too wimpy.
With these writers, who knows what will happen. Oh, if you want to read about a show desperate for ratings go read my recap of Reign for the past two week. I thought sex was outlawed in an 8:00 PM show
Once has already broken that rule, both with the blatant vault sex between married (he thought he was anyway) Robin Hood and Regina, and in the episode I'm watching right now we have obvious sexual references between Graham and Regina (who held his heart in her vault at the time). I think there was also some under the cover action with Snow and Charming at some point, but at least they were married.
The icky Robin/Zelena storyline isn't exactly family friendly either.
Oh and there was not charming James and not a dude Jack rolling around in a bed as well.
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Let's see, three episodes ago, Mary and Francis had sex in a forest lake -- nude no less.
Last week, two blow jobs, 2 aggressive sex scenes and one more I have blanked from my mind.
Last night, hare and hounds, sex toys, sex games, bed games.
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Good heavens. Glad I'm not watching that! and I thought Outlander was bad (granted I didn't get past the first few episodes).
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Outlander is at least on a prem station (Starz) who has a rep for being outrageous. Reign is on CW. 8:00 on regular television has restrictions hasn't it. And believe me, Once was mild in comparison.
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Wow! Oh wow!. What else can I say about last night's episode. Don't know if you have seen it yet or not but Wow!
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First off, loved how Emma and her family faced down the evil Dark Ones. They stood together and were going to fall together. Emma wouldn't let her family be taken and I loved that. even as a Dark One, she was a source of light.
Loved how Regina and Robin got their together bit on. When they confronted Zelena over the baby and not letting her turn the child evil, I said yes. Every child should have free will. Then when Regina brought out the wand and Zelena taunted her, I thought don't mess with Mother Bear. Sure enough this time Zelena didn't find a weak Regina. She sent Regina flying back to Oz.
Hook -- well you know how I feel about him but he got redeemed last night. First we get his back story (bitterness galore), then we get his hero efforts, WOW! And why is it that the fathers of these people (except Charming and Neil) were such er bastards. Don't get it. I didn't like the reason Hook killed his dad. That was sheer jealousy but he made up for it by redeeming himself to Emma.
Rumbelle back together. That should make you happy. What makes me happy is Rumple has his old role back -- he's the Dark One now with Emma and her family knowing his secret. Wow! Will Belle find out? Is Belle preggers? Of course she is.
And what a way to set up the 100th episode. Now I just wonder how long they're be in Hades Storybrooke.
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I haven't watched it, but I did make sure it taped an extra hour because you warned me about Obama.
Judging by the thread titles at IMDb the Rumbelle fans are all pissed again, so I don't feel an immediate desire to watch more crap dragging down my favorites characters. Sounds like you liked it though.
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Yeah -- I can where Rumbelle fans are upset. But hey -- it at least gives Gold his old role back, Belle and he are together (at least for now), he swore Emma that she wouldn't tell Belle, and the show seems back on track. Hook's even gone!
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I think if you took out the part where Rumple rigged the sword so he could get his power back, then this would've been on ok episode maybe. I hated that Belle left (so very tired of the wishy washy way they've written Belle), but loved that she came back and they were happy... except none of it's real because Rumple is Dark AGAIN negating everything he's learned since season one! I understand that Rumple is sooo much more fun to watch as the Dark One than as pure heart Rumple, believe me I understand and agree that he's more fun when he's dark. The problem is they've spent so much time swirling around the drain of redemption and now they've ruined everything. How can Rumple have his happy ending now? I feel like the show promised me a happy ending for Rumple and Belle and yet now I know that as soon as they get back from Hell, Emma or one of the others (probably Hook or Regina) will tell Belle, she'll flip out again (at least this time it's for a decent reason!) and leave him AGAIN. I'm so tired of that pattern! If The Evil Queen can murder 100's of people (count pending) and be forgiven to such an extent they will let her take her sister's baby to have her happy ending... why can't Rumplestiltskin just be allowed to be happy? If they had to make him dark again (because they aren't good enough writer's to write him any other way) then why not dream up so convoluted reason that the darkness went back to him or they could've had Hook enchant the sword and force the darkness back into Rumple against his wishes (because the Rumple I believe in would've wanted to stay pure) or have Rumple sacrifice himself in a heroic fashion by willingly taking the darkness back to save his hated enemy Hook (which would REALLY stick in Hook's craw I bet!). You see there are so many ways they could write this show to be consistent in character without losing the fun aspects or the conflict.
The only thing I can think of re: Rumple's wanting the dark back is because Belle just left him again and maybe that's all he had left to live for? Even that doesn't really fit. I'm grasping at straws here!
I was reading through a OUAT forum hoping someone else might be able to help me feel better about this and I came across this post...
The biggest problem with this show are the redemption arcs. I honestly believe majority of the bad things about the show trace back to the decision to redeem the season 1 villains (especially Regina) rather then kill them off when their immediate arcs finished.
Once this characters were sticking around, redemption became a key theme of the series and everything else was damaged as a result.
People hate what the "new" Emma and her relationship with Hook? Emma being okay with Hook's criminal past didn't start with Hook. Once everyone made the decision to forgive Regina for everything she had done it became impossible to not forgive anyone else for anything. Now the show has no stakes. Whenever anyone does anything bad or something that hurts someone else we know it will be forgiven because the precedent has already been set.
Emma could be best friends with Milah and Zelena next week and it would still be inline with the messed up morality the show created.
You think the heroes are stupid? They have to be to excuse the continued existence of the people who were once villains.
"Yeah but Snow and Charming do bad things too". The show has a messed up morality but the Snowing kidnapping plot was included in the story to force the message that anyone can do bad things and be redeemed. Snowing characters were sacrificed for Hook, Regina and a lesser extent Rumple. If the Once villains hadn't been redeemed this story line wouldn't exist and Snowing's bad decisions would have stayed in the normal range.
Granted this didn't really help me feel better, but it does make sense. Because the show chose to redeem Regina (and by redeem I don't mean she changed completely or anything, I just mean that the show treats her like a hero and usually completely paves over the bad things she does whether in the past or in the present) and so now anyone can be forgiven anything because Regina did worse and she's gotten away with it.
I don't know. Sorry for the overlong post. At least I finally watched the finale.
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Okay I've been giving this some thought and came up with this. We know Merlin "supposedly" died. I say it that way because I don't think he's really dead. I think he's waiting to reappear and this was part of his plot. Rumple took the darkness because he knows he can control it. We can't have all good and we can't have all bad in the world. We have to have good and evil for us to have free will. Gold has been bad and still has a conscious.
This theme has been played out before. Go back and watch the Tom Baker's "Key of Time" year. The guardians then stated that the universe couldn't exist unless both were in it. If we had only the light, it would be boring and the same goes for dark. There has to be a mixed. Same thing was shown with the last season of LOST. That's my biggest beef. These people were all connected with LOST and have done it before. They're wimping out.
I'm really not upset about Regina. With Regina being Henry's mother they had to find a way to keep her. Rumple is the key villian and that's been the case all along. Rumple isn't what he was during season one in the Enchanted Woods. He doesn't want world domination or even domination of Storybrooke. It's more like he wants to be left alone and then Belle came and his world view changed.
Now I'm running on. Gold has been a hero when he was bad before. He can do it again. But someone/somewhere has to be evil. Zelena as the Dark One won't work. And I hearing a new character for the 100 episode has been cast and the description sounds like Satan. Could he ultimately get all the evil? If so Rumple could return as good Gold but then he'd be boring again.
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Wow! This is another big episode and may mark the return from the Underworld. The cemetery in the rain just happened but I don't think it is the one from what was supposed to be one of the last episodes. They're hitting it out of the park again.
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All I will say is that episode 18 was good. Can't say too much or give plot away. Will say I think Belle made an error.
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All I will say is that episode 18 was good. Can't say too much or give plot away. Will say I think Belle made an error.
She wants her father, HER FATHER! to wake her up?! :41: She does realize that just because she's asleep that doesn't mean Hades can't take the baby out right?
This episode :banghead:
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Belle's not thinking. Either she's the dumbest person in the Enchanted Forest or Regina gave her too many drugs. Or Zelena could have messed with her brain cells.
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MP has a question for the superfans: Does the sleep spell put the baby in stasis, i.e., the baby stops developing until Belle wakes up?
The Underworld must make the heroes a bit wool-headed. What about baby Pomegranate, who is hiding in the woods with Robin because of the fear Hades might do something to her? Did anyone even think to look for her so Snow could take her back to Storybrooke?
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MP has a question for the superfans: Does the sleep spell put the baby in stasis, i.e., the baby stops developing until Belle wakes up?
The Underworld must make the heroes a bit wool-headed. What about baby Pomegranate, who is hiding in the woods with Robin because of the fear Hades might do something to her? Did anyone even think to look for her so Snow could take her back to Storybrooke?
The subject of baby stasis has yet to come up in Once despite the proliferation of sleeping curses. The only storyline I can point to is that awful story with Hook's father who was under a sleeping curse for a hundred plus years and didn't age...so presumably if he had been pregnant at the time than the baby wouldn't have aged either? I don't know it depends on whether the sleeping curse is pro-life or pro-choice. Either the baby is a separate human being that hasn't been cursed and thus will continue to grow or a cell clump that will nap along with mummy.
I was wondering about baby Pomegranate too. Why not take her out of the the underworld or maybe I don't know...HENRY.
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Henry has to stay and write -- whatever he writes gives them clues.
I wonder about baby green beans also. Only thing I could figure if they went to get her Hades might get his hands on her.
The whole statis thing is weird. At least maybe they won't celebrate the May month like they use to on ABC daytime. It was so bad, we dreaded the advent of May on Soaps because we called it "dead baby month". Every May, a baby died.
My question is: how will it end. I figure they will escape, Hades goes with them, and they kill him. Unsure though.
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Outtie's distinction, fetus (pro-choice)/unborn baby (pro-life) raises a host of fascinating issues wrt the sleeping curse, specifically in the case of unborn baby. For example, assume Baby Rumbelle is an unborn baby. If one makes the not unreasonable assumption that the sleeping curse potion's effect is similar to that of a drug, it could be argued that the potion places a sleep curse on both Belle and Baby Rumbelle (mother usually shares her drugs with baby through the placenta). But, because Baby Rumbelle is an unborn baby, the sleeping curse placed on it is separate and distinct from Belle's. In effect, it is a second sleeping curse. This leads to the Prankster's hypothetical question: If the person who gives Belle true love's kiss either is unaware of the unborn baby or does not love the unborn baby, what happens to the unborn baby's sleeping curse? MP knows this issue will never arise on OUAT but he finds it interesting.
MP has a notion about the quill (get a life, he knows). What if the life force within the quill is actually that of a person? Might the quill become that person once its' business is finished but before it passes on? Assuming the person is a cute, young maiden, it could lead to an interesting mini-story arc and some "puppy love" romance for Henry.
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That's a good question. If the baby is indeed a separate entity than would he/she also be cursed with a separate sleeping curse? Will Baby Rumbelle be born asleep? Can a baby even be born if they themselves sleep through the event? Will Doctor Whale have to do a c-section on Belle because the baby has been in there for two years and her stomach has grown so large that they're afraid she's going to explode? Will the series finale be two sleeping curses broken by fathers kissing their children (Belle/Maurice, Rumbelle/Rumbaby)? Will the writers ever admit that this has become a very silly show? Will I ever stop asking pointless questions? Will I ever find a GIF of Rumple saying 'your questions are pointless' in the 5b premiere?
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Let's face it. It's not as pointless as season 3 was of LOST or parts of season 5 of LOST. I got very frustrated. But of course, I was the one who told David Fury (writer and Executive Producer) and everyone other producer who was part of the Fuselage that I knew they were in Purgatory so admit it. But back to the sleeping curse.
Again another instance of Belle's pure stupidity. And let me ask, if true love's kiss -- Rumple -- awakens Belle (cause I'm not buying her father as "true love") then the baby would awaken also. Belle just didn't think through the true love part. Snow was Charming, Aurora was Phillip, Henry was him mom's belief. Get over it Belle. It was never really Emma's kiss but her belief and the kiss that came from it that worked in that instance. You haven't even been civil to your dad since he tried to send you out of Storybrooke.
As I said, I'm glad that "dead baby" month never really spilled over to prime time drama. Of course, these writers may not realize that this was a phenomenon on the 90s.
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Well after a slow start...I'd have to say that this episode had a bang up finish. I loved the end! :97: Never thought I'd root for that to happen, but hey, it's a better ending than last week's that's for sure. :41:
As for this week's river victim...did what I think happened really happen or am I just being suspicious minded?
My TV went out for a minute or so in the middle (right after little Zelena opened the blood lock), but I don't think I missed anything vital. They didn't slip in any deaths while I wasn't looking, right?
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What James survive and David die. No, I think it was James who went into the water. There was a slight difference and David had blood on his face. I'm not sure exactly but thought that at first also. Emma seemed sure it was David. (They needed different color coats).
I loved Cora's walk into the light. Eerie but great. Only thing is her husband should have been seen waiting.
Loved Pan's last line.
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Recaps summary:
With the baby in hand, James is ready to kill both Emma and Robin by forcing them off the docks and into the River of Souls. Thankfully, David arrives just in time,having been rescued by Hook (yess!), but his twin brother is in no way ready to make amends. As James puts it, killing David is his unfinished business. The pair fight, ultimately to the death, as David, in attempt to protect himself from James stabbing him with a concealed knife, flings his brother over the edge of the dock, into the river, sentencing him to death. By the look on his face, it’s an act that’s not going to sit well with Prince Charming moving forward.
per Hollywood Life
Also from the way Cruella ran, I think it was James.
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Okay -- Spoiler info from TVLine -- Michael Ausiello. I know I use to call him Michael A**-**** but he does better on his own site than TV Guide.
ONCE UPON A TIME
PRE-FINALE: With Emma ever "emotional" about the situation she put loved ones in, the May 1 episode flashes back to "a time in her life we haven't visited since the pilot," meaning her days as a bail bondsperson, says co-creator Eddy Kitsis. Alas, despite having stormed the Underworld with a very specific plan to save Hook, "what Emma is going to have to face to get him back is very different than what she thought," says co-creator Adam Horowitz. Elsewhere as the Underworld arc comes to a close: Rumple explores both leverage and a loophole to nix Hades' contract; Regina and Robin "team up to take someone down" on May 8; Henry's power as the Author "plays a huge part" in the proceedings; we meet Hades' brother Zeus; and a current coupling "maybe" won't last the season.
SEASON FINALE (MAY 15): In addition to tying up loose ends (including "What happened to the Camelot people?"), the two-hour season ender (airing at 7/6c) introduces Sam Witwer (Smallville) and Hank Harris (Popular) in a storyline that tees up "something new for Season 6," including "ominous threats that are different from ones we've experience before," Horowitz says.
Okay-- they've already said "insane aslym" and people jumped on the brothers Grimm. Where are they going and who will be committed? Belle, Rumple, Snow, Charming, Regina, Emma, Henry or Hook.
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What James survive and David die. No, I think it was James who went into the water. There was a slight difference and David had blood on his face. I'm not sure exactly but thought that at first also. Emma seemed sure it was David. (They needed different color coats).
I loved Cora's walk into the light. Eerie but great. Only thing is her husband should have been seen waiting.
Loved Pan's last line.
I've read a few posts on the message boards (I don't recommend this as the boards seem to be even meaner then they were the last time I mentioned them) to see if it really could have been Charming and it looks like you're right LM...it was James that went into the river. Darn I was hoping this would be the final proof that the pan pipe theory was correct.
I don't feel like Cora and Henry Sr.'s marriage was a very happy one. He always seemed more like her servant than her husband. I remember way back when we first saw the younger version of Henry Sr. and the actor was so much taller than the Henry Sr. we knew that the writers/producers/somebody said that they liked to think that years of living with Cora shrunk him. :D In fact I think that would make a great short story of Cora and Henry right after the wedding with Cora enchanting him so that he shrinks a little bit every time he disobeys her.
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MP cannot recall an OUAT episode featuring a bigger collection of OUAT baddies. His reaction was mixed. MP will focus on the writers’ treatment/mistreatment of some of his favorite villains.
Cora: What happened to MP’s Queen of Evil? The perpetrator of innumerable unspeakable acts and evil deeds against her family and the public at large makes a mea culpa and a Roseanne Roseannadanna, restores a couple of memories, wraps it up with an “I was wrong, I’m sorry, I love you,†and then traipses off to Paradise Penthouse? C’mon, OUAT, get serious. Walt Disney is having his tombstone re-chiseled as MP writes this. MP cannot believe Cora ended her career (in the present) with such a goodie –goodie whimper. BTW, seeing as how Cora was in such a magnanimous mood, how could she fail to tell Zelena who her father is?
Zelena: What is happening to MP’s verdant villain and vixen of vengeance? Instead of tossing fireballs she’s throwing hugs and kisses. She appears to have her feet firmly planted on the road to goodification. O the horror…..Combined with Cora, it might take MP the entire OUAT off-season to get over this. He already has doubled his Prozac prescription.
Cruella: She went from bullying bravado to a whimpering wuss. She’s nothing without her car.
Hades: MP approves of the bewitched, beguiled, besotted hellboy’s taste in women, cars and music.
Rumple: Just when MP is about to lose all hope, Rumple shows up to restore his faith in evil. Daddy Dearest must have required some incentive to participate in Rumple’s scheme to kidnap Zelena and swap her for the contract. Whom will it be? Idle thought—was Zelena taken to an institution for the magically insane? Nah.
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Regarding Cora: She served a sentence as the Miller's daughter that seemed overly harsh. We're not sure what else she's suffered under Hades. She had to how did they put it. . . correct the biggest wrong and I guess that was separating her daughters. Actually I thought she had to face more fire than her hubbie did so that may have been a test to see if she was really ready to redemption.
Regarding Zelena: Remember, it took 3 season to really redeem Regina. I'm betting there is still some evil there so we'll have to wait and see.
Regarding Rumple: He knows he needs an ace up his sleeve. Who better than dear old dad. I'm betting he's going to give Pan Zelena's daughter. Pan didn't specify sex. :72:
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Actually, MP doesn't begrudge Cora her cheeseburger in Paradise. One of the things OUAT is all about is the redemptive power of true love. Was there ever a back story on Cora that explains why she became such a nasty piece of work?
Baby Pomegranate to Pan? Yikes! Now THAT is evil. The Prankster thinks Pan might try and double-cross Rumple so Pan winds up with the contract. In any event, MP hopes the OUAT writers do justice to the Pan-Rumple-Hades Bermuda triangle.
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Well, shoot -- that explains why Robin may die. And we're only 30 minutes into the show.
Gold is evil again!
OKay -- maybe not completely evil. But I can't believe what happened to belle!
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I was so happy when Rumple said he gave Robin his heart back. I was not happy when he took it because we think Robin is going to die and if Rumple does it he's going to get even more hatred from the shippers. As for Belle inside Pandora's box...oh well. If she wanted to walk she shouldn't have taken a sleeping curse off the witch who killed her step-son. Glad Pan didn't succeed, although I do think he's one of the very best villains in once. Very annoyed about true loves kiss not working though. Not that I'm surprised. Whether Belle loves Rumple or not seems to fluxuate wildly from episode to episode. Apaprently she loves him enough to save him from Gaston, but not enough to wake up and walk home. Or perhaps Zelena gave her a bum sleeping curse. If you recall season three Zelena seemed to have a thing for Rumple and he rejected her hard. Twice.
I'm glad that Hades double crossed them because his 'redemption' was way too quick (not that we haven't seen such things before) and it sets up a better finale this way.
The backstory was actually good. We got a flash to a time we've never really seen and we learned about Emma's jacket armor.
Is the headline of this episode that Hook is done now? I don't know about you guys, but I was positive that Hook was making it out in some ridiculous manner and I was surprised that he didn't. Surprised but happy. I'm also happy that Hades pointed out how stupid that heart split plan was with Hooks body decomposing in Storybrooke all this time.
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Okay-- we know they're out but they still have to get rid of Hades FOR GOOD! Now, while I'd love for him to be the big bad next season, I don't see how they can do it without:
a. making him mortal
b. making him nuts
c. letting the gods have their turn with him.
I do know Zeus/Jupiter is scheduled to appear so I think the "gods" must take a hand. He could actually be a good "big bad" but I'm not sure how he'd play staying in Storybrooke.
Regarding Hook, I've seen him coming through some type of portal. Of course, all those pictures have now disappeared. I'm sure somehow he'll be back. They got Emma's defenses down and they're going to just hurt her again. Plus, he fits in the mix so well. Besides would they destroy two ships in one year - yeah, they would. They are keeping this finale very close to the vest.
Backstory here was excellent. I loved how they played it. It was funny to see two Heroes Reborn (one villian/one good guy) playing the opposite roles (Pan villain/Bounty Hunter good guy).
Okay -- after seeing preview my questions are as follows:
1. Who dies -- Regina looks grief struck but Emma is the one crying. This show was always meant to be about the Charming (extended) family. Are we to believe that Snow, David or Henry dies. Henry would have caused Regina more grief. Good show only showing the two leading ladies Once.
2. Does Belle end up because of her endless sleep at the insane asylum? Could Rumple commit her there. And how does papa = true love's kiss. Or will it be that terrible Will Scarlett :91:
3. Brothers finale -- Henry in New York with his true love from Camelot. We know somehow he makes it to that weirdly titled finale but what in the heck is that about. Regina and Emma re chasing Henry. Henry and Emma can go through but can Regina. And Gold was seen filming on the streets also.
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MP has afew observations about the episode:
Pan probably should have known that Rumple would double-cross him. The apple never falls far from the tree. Rumple did not want Pan running around in the world of the living.
MP has a strange thought about the “Hades in Storybrooke†issue. Zeus shows up to rein in his wayward brother. He takes Hades’ heart, gives it to Hook and banishes Hades back to the Underworld. This also might set Zelena against Hook/Emma withRegina possibly caught in the middle.
The decomposing body issue puzzles the Prankster. How could Pan return?
The Storybrookers allowed a number of people to pass on but they also did a fair job of augmenting the population of the River of Lost Souls.
Do you know what happened to the quill? Did it pass on?
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Do you know what happened to the quill? Did it pass on?
Henry left the underworld copy of (not sure if it was the original or not) 'Once Upon a Time' in the underworld stuffed with stories to help the denizens of Underbrooke with their unfinished business, but I don't know what he did with the quill. Did he bring it back or not? We'll probably know soon or never.
How could a living heart save Pan when half a living heart didn't help Hook? Well I don't know. The only clue we have is that Pan's body disappeared along with Rumple's when he killed them both, so... a loophole?
I'm trying to keep up my hope that Hook will stay dead, but I feel like I'm doomed to disappointment there. Maybe He's someone revived with Hades heart, maybe that ambrosia tree starts to bloom in the underworld again now that Hades is gone (or after our heroes kill him) Maybe Henry uses the quill to write him back to life... who knows.
How disappointing that the pan pipes were never played on screen. I guess maybe Rumple used them to call his father to help kidnap Zelena? I was really sold that those pipes could free the souls trapped in the river, but now that Pan is one of them... I don't think that will be happening after all.
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Found a link to a tv guide article about the season finale that tells us why everyone important is in New York...
http://captain-swan-oncer.tumblr.com/post/143769629927/spoilers-for-the-season-finale-airing-may-15th
So it seems Henry is going to try and destroy magic. Why THE AUTHOR would need to go to New York to do it I don't know. But there ya go. Maybe the moms will commit Henry to an asylum (really they still have those?) to save magic.
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I don't think it will be Henry who is committed. He's still vital in Storybrooke and the world needs magic. I'm wondering if it's his girl friend from Camelot. The whole thing as I see it is, how does New York asylum and Storybrooke work. I don't think either moms will commit Henry but Gold might.
Regarding where they're heading. I'm sure the Grimm brothers is going to come into play. Henry has been shown in a still with the Once Upon a Time book under his arm in New York.
Regarding Emma's mourning in the graveyard. Can't figure that one out. She has a conversation with Snow sometime during the episode and the script tease Horowitz gives is:
Snow: Oh, Emma. I'm so Sorry.
(Snow embraces her while Emma holds back tears.)
Emma: I made alot of mistakes mom. I never should have gone there.
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The spoiler people at Once podcast are saying they think it will involve jekyll and hyde instead of brothers Grimm, but I'd rather have the brothers Grimm, so hopefully their guess is wrong.
Regarding Robin I'm wondering if Hades will kill him as a gift to Zelena. You know sole custody of baby Pomegranate and all that.
I assume that script tease is just more of Emma mourning for Hook and she's certainly right that they should've never gone down there.
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Regarding “Last Rites,†If someone in addition to Hook dies, the process of elimination favors Robin. Also, Zeus appears in this episode. Regarding Season 6a, MP found the following description of the brothers:
Jacob:
The casting call describes him as "Late 30s - early 40s. An imposing, physical man. Brutish and morally corrupt. Jacob desires power above all else. The power to control his own destiny however he sees fit. With no discernible moral compass, Jacob will use any means at his disposal to get it. Even if it means destroying his own family in the process".
Nathaniel:
The casting call describes him as "Late 30s - early 40s. Slight and weak. Always in the shadow of his more powerful, and more sinister, older brother. Nathaniel only wishes to be free of his sibling’s wretchedness. But fate continues to thwart him, drawing them together in increasingly dangerous ways, and threatening all he holds dear".
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Here's an article on the new folks.
http://www.ew.com/article/2016/05/03/once-upon-time-finale-witwer-harris-brothers-grimm
On another note: Yes, I've heard Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde. When I read this, I have to wonder if it could be Romanus and Remus (from Roman myth). Also, there is Loki and Thor who could work in. It's going to be interesting to say the least. And they're not really releasing any major spoilers.
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Link to a video about Hades/Zelena and brother Zeus.
http://tvline.com/2016/05/06/once-upon-a-time-season-5-video-zelena-hades-zeus-weapon/
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I'm a little conflicted. I feel like this was a good episode that perked right along and kept me interested as well as providing some minor closure to the Camelot arc and major closure to the Hades arc (still sad the river of lost souls never got emptied), but ultimately it feels wrong that Robin Hood (useless misused character though he be) should die defending Regina against Hades and it's Hook alone who gets rewarded by Zeus? Granted I wanted Hook to stay dead so there is that, but it still feels unfair and I'm sure Regina will agree when she finds out.
Poor little Roland Hood! :03:
And no matter what Snow White tells her daughter, this whole arc really has been Emma's fault. She's the one that dragged everyone into the underworld to save Hook, so yeah... kind of her fault what happened.
As for the Rumbelle story A) I knew her dad would be a jerk who cared more about sticking it to Gold than in saving his daughter. B) badass Rumple still rocks even though I wish they would let him be more like the Rumple I expected him to be by this point in the story; i. e. a reluctant hero.
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It was an excellent episode and I don't really count Robin out yet. We do know that spoilers pictures ran of him going into the woods and Roland running to him with Little John. We do know that a scene was filmed with Zelena in front of a green/blue screen. Why go to that expense and not use the footage. It's once thing to do it when all are on set but this was only a few, in the woods (not the main set) and required a blue screen. Plus, we have the following:
1. Hades said that it would be instantaneous and your soul would be lost forever.
2. When he aimed it at Regina, Hood stepped in the way. His body fell on taking the bolt but his essence lived on long enough to say goodbye to Regina. And it didn't disappear, it whooshed out.
3. When Hades was struck by Zelena, it was instantaneous and he was turned into dust.
It was Emma's fault but Regina and company were offered the opportunity to leave and didn't. Very good 5b if you ask me. Actually very good season 5. But there were a few things I don't get.
1. Hook knew his unfinished business. Isn't that a little odd?
2. The killing of Arthur that early in the episode. To the sane person (which doesn't mean Zelena) it was a flashing sign that should have said beware.
3. Arthur teaming up with Hook. I actually liked this. And they've soften Hook's appearance and not as much manliner.
4. Zelena was thinking with her heart. Has she started to mellow.
5. Hades double crossing caught up with him. And he can never return.
6. Hook's crossing over -- and we got to see Olympus. But did anyone else think that Zeus was a wimp. He's always painted as the strong wind god.
7. Hook's arrival at the funeral after the burial -- bad form. Although nice touch since Emma admitted she could finally grieve.
Now on to the next two episodes/movie. . . . My thoughts on this.
1. Henry destroying magic. There has to be a little sense of magic in the air. If not, all hope is gone.
2. Regina turning evil again. Well, we expected it but she does end up in New York with Emma looking for Henry so she's not completely evil.
3. If Henry destroys magic, doesn't that destroy Rumple's magic too.
4. Are they turning Rumple into the big bad again. Not that he was completely reformed, but I like him the way he is now.
5. How long will Belle sleep? Will Snow go into one since she's going to need maternity leave also.
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So it looks like Robin is really, really dead.
http://www.ew.com/article/2016/05/09/once-upon-time-robin-hood-dead-sean-maguire
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Really really not sure what to say about this one. It seemed all over the place. At the end I was surprised by the evil queen's return (how did she survive the heart crush? Which was a terrible stupid idea btw) mainly because I thought what Hyde had traded to Rumple was the formula to split himself in two and so I expected Dark Rumple to turn up and slay the dragon. Which might have actually made me happy since presumably pure hearted Rumple could've woken up Belle, who would then be split into good Belle and stupid Belle and good Rumple and good Belle could live happily ever after with their child and bad Rumple and stupid Belle could break up and evil Rumple could be the fantastic evil villain that everyone wants to see and stupid Belle can get off OUAT and bother people on one of those stupid housewives shows or something.
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But once again no one seems to care about Belle or Rumple, while everyone bends over backwards to help Regina. Maybe if they bothered to be as loving towards Gold and Belle than he would be good by now and the show would've been over (or cancelled) seasons ago!
Other than that, I enjoyed the penny rain, but not the speech from Henry to New York.
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And it's apples and oranges again. Overall the episode worked but I'm unsure of how I feel about Hyde and Jekyll showing up. And a tip of the hat to the writers for making Henry's young lover Mark Twain's daughter. Loved that!
For some reason Rumple has to be the big bad. Carlyle does a good job with it. I think they wanted to give Lana a chance at an Emmy. She can gnarl the scenery next year and still be good. The one drawback is the heart thing. Bad Regina should be no more. Is the ripping out of the heart and smushing it no longer effective or is it only because it belongs to part of a person. Sheesh.
Hyde creeps me out but it may be good. My question is who else did he bring back that has "unfinished story." To me it would be Frankstein but that story is done. It could be Fagin (Oliver Twist). It would be funny if it was the Mather preacher family who wants to hang all witches.