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Non- Reality => Once Upon a Time => Topic started by: LindaM on May 16, 2017, 11:22:21 AM
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Emma's future -- vague response.
http://www.digitalspy.com/tv/once-upon-a-time/news/a828454/once-upon-a-time-could-kill-emma-swan-season-7/
Aging of Rumple, Hook and Regina.
http://www.tvguide.com/news/once-upon-a-time-season-7-spoilers-adult-henry/http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/once-a-time-season-7-reboot-explained-1003456
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The second article (on Hook/Rum/Regina aging??) is missing from the website now.
I did find a quick article on Emilie leaving...
http://www.digitalspy.com/tv/once-upon-a-time/news/a828281/once-upon-a-time-emilie-de-ravin-reacts-to-exit-belle/
...sure sounds like she was canned rather than leaving of her own accord like Jennifer Morrison.
I also read a post at Once forums that said the writers confirmed that Violet was NOT Lucy's mother, but I haven't found an article that confirms that confirmation yet. Most the articles just repeat what we already know.
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In #OnceUponATime "reboot," Hook, Evil Queen & Rumplestiltskin "return but with new identities in a new city, facing a new curse.
https://mobile.twitter.com/MattMitovich/status/864594048287481857?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Foncepodcast.com%2Fforums%2Ftopic%2Fseason-7-synopsis%2F
new identities?! What?!
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Well, that tweet isn't available.
And as for new identities . . . could be but no fun. Adam and Eddy said the "boot camp" happens in May.
Plus, it's got the killer time slot -- Friday at 8:00 PM. They're also putting S.H.I.E.L.D at 9:00 on Fridays. It is the slot where shows go to die. Sleepy Hollow comes to mind.
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Wait! It just came up. And how does this explain the need of Henry's family. These are only three of them. Unless we are going the strange Narnia route.
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I wonder if Matt did that to get me to fight again. Oh well, I don't think he got much more than anyone else and he's the only one posting it. Now today's bunch.
ABC's official tidbit.
http://ew.com/tv/2017/05/16/once-upon-time-season-7-spoilers/
General Nothings
http://us.blastingnews.com/showbiz-tv/2017/05/once-upon-a-time-emilie-de-ravin-reveals-real-reason-she-left-ouat-001703679.html
Enchanted Forest more than Storybrooke??? Explains why some buildings are now up for lease in Stevenson.
https://www.popsugar.com/entertainment/Once-Upon-Time-Season-7-Details-43540843
Okay and first "official article". New identities came from Dungey which explains a lot. She wants to Shoshland it. I said she didn't need to be in charge of ABC. Daytime maybe but not prime time.
http://www.digitalspy.com/tv/once-upon-a-time/news/a828515/once-upon-a-time-season-7-spoilers-cast-first-details-abc/
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Well in 3rd article they refer to Henry loss of belief... WHAT?! He's THE BELIEVER that's his thing. Forget this 'Author' nonsense that basically went nowhere. His constant belief has been very important to his character.
What's most curious is how Lana Parrilla's character is referred to as "The Evil Queen" and Robert Carlyle's as "Rumplestiltskin", rather than alter egos Regina and Mr Gold. Are we reading too much into that?
Well, ABC exec Channing Dungey teased (via TVLine) that they – along with Hook – will "return but with new identities in a new city, facing a new curse".
The plot thickens...
I did notice the Evil Queen name rather than what they typically use which is Regina. Rumple's names are more fluid in articles so I didn't notice they went with the full Rumplestiltskin rather than just Rumple or Gold. Sounds like the writers want to reset their villains back to their original less buggy versions. Om my. That could be awesome or it could fail miserably. :57:
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The real Evil Queen is the president of ABC. Upfronts are happening now.
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Well, well, well. Mulan may have spilt the beans about the final season of Once (7th)
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/jamie-chung-once-upon-a-time_us_591cb2eae4b03b485cae4b70?ncid=engmodushpmg00000004
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This article mentions the mysterious new identities for our old villains and also that Tigerlily is with Lucy In our world...
http://en.koreaportal.com/articles/35746/20170521/once-upon-time-ouat-season-7-episode-1-spoilers-possible.htm
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Well, well, well. Mulan may have spilt the beans about the final season of Once (7th)
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/jamie-chung-once-upon-a-time_us_591cb2eae4b03b485cae4b70?ncid=engmodushpmg00000004
I don't think Jaime calling seven 'the final season' can be taken as cannon. It's most likely a simple mistake or misspeak on her part and even if she has for some odd reason been told by producers/ABC that this is the final season it's still not official util it's official. To me if ABC wanted to end the show they would've done it this season and if they wanted just one more season then they probably would've kept as much of the cast on as they possibly could. This cast bled feels like an attempt to save money and revitalize the show rather than some kind of, ok you get one more season, but you have to cut half the cast to make it cheaper. In other words while this could indeed be the last season of the show if the ratings plummet even further, I don't think that is want the producers or network want. I think they want Once to go on for many more seasons and this change is their play to save money and make it possible. Also I think if this was planned as a final season they would probably tell us to help keep people who might otherwise quit the show with their favorite character leaving from going away.
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The big problem is that Jaime seems to have some clout with the producers. I now know that the only reason Colin is around is because he had one more year on his contract. He's the odd man out.
My big problem is what they're putting on in its place. It was one of the stupid 50s game shows -- To Tell the Truth and Shark Tank. Talk about low budget shows! To Tell the Truth -- I vaguely remember seeing a repeat of it and it was plain stupid. They have someone come out and have celebrities guess their occupation. And Shark Tank. Hasn't that run its course.
Here's the line up for Friday at 8 p.m.
Once Upon a Time (ABC)
Crazy Ex-Girlfriend (The CW) -- Stupid show but CW never counts
MacGyver (CBS) -- People hated it. I think they are in the process of reworking it.
Hell's Kitchen (Fox) -- Another chance for Ramsay to rig the outcome.
Blindspot (NBC) -- Know nothing about this one.
Not mad at you or this just disgusted with work. I got 2 dozen roses from the campus shop for getting out book orders in and a faculty member took them home. Where the justice?
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Not mad at you or this just disgusted with work. I got 2 dozen roses from the campus shop for getting out book orders in and a faculty member took them home. Where the justice?
That's a pretty crappy thing to do for sure. -Console-
As for Once there isn't a lot more to say until the fall, although I'm sure I'll still find things to post from time to time. NO MORE REWATCHES though! -rollinglaugh-
Just kidding I'm sure I'll re-watch a few episodes at some point over the summer. Always seems to happen anyway.
For you LM. Not the same I know, but it's the best I can do...
:58: -balloons- -Presents- -flowergrowing- -Flower-
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Thank you! The guilty person actually brought them back. How often do you get two dozen flowers and a vase.
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http://tvline.com/2017/07/06/once-upon-a-time-season-7-new-cast-gabrielle-anwar-dania-ramirez/
ABC is putting a face to Once Upon a Time‘s Season 7 reset. Five faces, actually.
TVLine has learned that the Friday-bound fantasy drama is adding nearly a half-dozen new female cast members, most notably Burn Notice alum Gabrielle Anwar, Devious Maids vet Dania Ramirez and ex-Reign royal Adelaide Kane. Also boarding the rejiggered seventh season: Chicago Med‘s Mekia Cox and English actress Rose Reynolds (Poldark).
Once Upon a Time Season 7: Everything We Know So Far
Launch Gallery
Details on the role each actress will be playing will be announced at Comic-Con a later date, but here are five clues you can chew on in the meantime: TVLine can confirm that Anwar and Ramirez will be full-fledged series regulars, while Kane, Cox and Reynolds are set to recur (at least initially).
None of these names mean much to me. I vaguely recognize the name 'Gabrielle Anwar' from something and I did watch some of Poldark so I've probably at least seen Rose Reynolds, though I doubt I could pick her out of a crowd.
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I've watched Reign some and this may be the actress who played Mary, Queen of Scotland/France, the star of the show. She was alright but she just didn't seemy dynamic.
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From the spoiler picture I saw --
Queen Mary of Scots of Reign will play Violet as an adult. Even in the same cape.
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From the spoiler picture I saw --
Queen Mary of Scots of Reign will play Violet as an adult. Even in the same cape.
Does that mean she is Lucy's mom? ...great I just realized that the reason they hired FIVE women for next season may well be so that we can play 'guess the mom' all season. Yippee.
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Adam has said no but he lied to us before. People hit him hard with the fact he treated Jennifer Morrison badly with the story she got for the last two years on twitter yesterday. The "spoilers" he has sent haven't been spoilers at all. They've regulated OUAT to morning for a Comic Con panel and I haven't seen any other for the show yet. It is on Saturday though.
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Jared returned to filming. Looks like goodbye to Regina to me.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/katmtan/sets/72157686062092266
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New article I found after the fact.
http://www.eonline.com/news/866033/once-upon-a-time-season-7-everything-we-know-the-major-series-revamp#photo-712126
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Jared returned to filming. Looks like goodbye to Regina to me.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/katmtan/sets/72157686062092266
Yep. Looks like maybe Henry is heading off to college. Wonder why Emma isn't there?
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New article I found after the fact.
http://www.eonline.com/news/866033/once-upon-a-time-season-7-everything-we-know-the-major-series-revamp#photo-712126
Again with the new personalities stuff for our three returnees. I may have to go back to my knee jerk theory after the season six finale aired... These people (Evil Queen, Hook, Rumple and Lucy) come from either the wish realm or some other alternate reality. Which after thinking about that for a bit, I think I prefer this in a way because wish realm Rumple was Rumple at his manic best and that would mean that our Henry didn't have a baby at seventeen (wish realm Henry is a king now so it's fine to me if he's married at sixteen and a father at seventeen). And we won't have to go on a quest to get back to Belle/Emma, which I think will get old fast when we know they're not coming back to the show.
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Well that's better than what I figured out last night. I figured that Emma, Snow, and David disappeared along with most of the town of Storybrooke. Have you ever read Mist of Avalon? They faded into the mist and it will be our Henry's place to go through that mist and discover (if we're lucky) the New Narnia. Then all can return for the big finale and the show can move off the map. The ABC Prez is trying to kill it and Agents of SHIELD off anyway.
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I haven't read Mists of Avalon, but I remember from other sources some of the stuff about Avalon. Arthur is buried there right? 'Here lies Arthur - the once and future king'. ...but I doubt they'd go back to Camelot after they wrecked the whole story in season five. Merlin's dead. Arthur's dead. I suppose maybe they could have Arthur come back from the underworld as a changed man to be the future king prophesied.
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Yep -- burial on Avalon for Arthur which we already know not according to OUAT. Here's the thing. In Mist of Avalon, the "fairy lands" or non-Christian lands are fading into myth. Since Storybrooke is a "fairy land" could it be fading too back into the mist of time.
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Hot news from the set! Hook and Rumple are... Cops now? And Hook's hook is gone?
What the heck is going on here? -rollinglaugh-
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Where did you see that? Two less likely cops but wait -- wasn't he made sheriff when David moved out to the farm?
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https://www.iconheroes.com/collections/once-upon-a-time-1
New toys for Comic Con. Got to get there one day.
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I already have the Rumple letter opener and I don't need the Emma/Hook ones because my Once collection is very focused on Rumbelle and doesn't need to grow beyond that and take over the whole room.
I found the news about Hook and Rumps being cops here...
https://oncepodcast.com/forums/topic/who-is-filming-now-season-7-part-1/page/18/
Which is basically the only place I'm getting Once news right now.
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Cursed or not -- wish realm or not. This is getting stranger and stranger. And wouldn't Rumple if he was our beloved Rumple know he has power???? What does that make Regina -- a vagrant?
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Colin's new version of Hook is as a policeman in Seattle. Don't know if you will be able to see this or not.
https://twitter.com/bestofcs/status/885871932385533952
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Cursed or not -- wish realm or not. This is getting stranger and stranger. And wouldn't Rumple if he was our beloved Rumple know he has power???? What does that make Regina -- a vagrant?
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that Twitter picture of Hook did load for me and all I can say is that he needs to button that top button if he's on duty. Cops and pirates have different dress codes after all. -duh-
Seriously THIS IS INSANE -rollinglaugh-
...but hey I'm having fun laughing about it for now.
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And no Hook - only thing better is if it was Wish World Hook -- fat and drunk!
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And no Hook - only thing better is if it was Wish World Hook -- fat and drunk!
See now I'd enjoy that version for the last season, but his fangirls would go mental. :D
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Just saw a picture of Older Henry and "Cinderella". Looked to be Enchanted Forest. I'm betting the dad Henry was "Wish Henry" and not our Henry.
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Just saw a picture of Older Henry and "Cinderella". Looked to be Enchanted Forest. I'm betting the dad Henry was "Wish Henry" and not our Henry.
It would certainly make more sense then having our Henry become a father in 2-3 years.
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And the Cindy looks like Lucy in coloring. People are yelling at Horowitz under the picture (which he posted) saying: Been there done that, she's in Storybrook with a child. I just wrote: "Wish world">
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New series of books about Once Upon a Time. Started with Regina Rising and have the Snow book also. They're by Wendy Toliver of Regina at the age of about 14, 15 or 16 as she makes her come out, her attempt at frienship, and what Cora would do to get her married to a prince. "Poisoned" apple shows up, meaning and spell discussed, and Cora afraid that Regina will learn magic from someone other than herself.
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New series of books about Once Upon a Time. Started with Regina Rising and have the Snow book also. They're by Wendy Toliver of Regina at the age of about 14, 15 or 16 as she makes her come out, her attempt at frienship, and what Cora would do to get her married to a prince. "Poisoned" apple shows up, meaning and spell discussed, and Cora afraid that Regina will learn magic from someone other than herself.
I've seen those books, but I haven't bought them yet. Regina books are kind of a tough sell to me. Maybe if the author wanted to focus on a different character... :57:
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Actually I think it will be a series. And Blue knew that something was wrong with Regina's "goodness" but granted a wish anyway. Not Snow's story either -- but Red's Untold Story. Got it wrong.
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Spoilers here:
http://ew.com/tv/2017/07/15/once-upon-time-season-7-spoilers-d23/
Lucy's mom is Cinderella -- told you.
Basically, Henry leaves his "home" to find areas where "happy endings" haven't happened.
“What’s interesting to us is that these books tell the stories, a lot of them about these classic characters, and as you know for the first six seasons we did twists and turns on them,” says Kitsis, explaining that there are numerous different versions of characters — Disney animated and live action, among them. “New books could have different versions of some stories and ways of looking at them that maybe we’ve seen before, maybe some new characters as well.”
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Wait so Regina just lets Henry take off to other realms to go a-authoring alone? That does not sound like Regina. Plus Henry is still supposed to be like 14-15 isn't he? I could understand if he was 25 or something. If that scene we saw a picture of was really Regina sending Henry off to roam the realms with his quill in his hand then I really think they should've used the 'new' Henry and set his age forward to at least 20.
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Remember, Jared is really 16 or 17 now so I could accept if they put 4 years later. The thing I can't get around is where is Emma. And we know that getting Henry to the Enchanted Forest was all but impossible since he wasn't born there. I honestly can't remember how they explained how he got to Camelot but remember he got kidnapped and taken to Neverland.
Here's a quote from Madeline L'Engle that applies to Regina:
“Maybe you have to know the darkness before you can appreciate the light.”
― Madeleine L'Engle, A Ring of Endless Light
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And Jennifer is flying today to film Once Upon a Time. On Twitter, she says one last time.
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Jennifer, Jared, and Colin shot a scene on the harbor yesterday and filming is continuing today. Yes, aboard the Jolly Roger.
If you pull up the poster, you will see the following "Easter eggs" hidden. SOme of them I don't fully understand.
White Rabbit -- back to Wonderland?
Slipper -- Cinderella
Owl
Lily -- Tiger Lily???
Whale/Aladdin's Lamp -- can't get this one big enough to be sure.
I may have missed some.
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Some decent news at last!
http://ew.com/tv/2017/07/22/once-upon-a-time-emilie-de-ravin-books-return-in-season-7/
Belle will be back for episode four
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From Comic.Con
Bad sound:
http://ew.com/tv/2017/07/23/comic-con-once-upon-a-time-lana-parrilla-new-setting-shift-tone/
Ad:
http://www.eonline.com/news/868449/captain-hook-is-a-cop-once-upon-a-time-s-season-7-trailer-has-arrived-find-out-which-new-characters-are-in-the-mix
New Hero arises: Only can be Lucy.
http://www.digitalspy.com/tv/once-upon-a-time/news/a833788/once-upon-a-time-season-7-new-adventure/
Henry calls for help and Rumple, Regina and Hook show up. Regina in denim, Hook as police. My guess: Lucy goes missing and he has to find her.
And it seems to have headed in a bad direction for ONCE at first at Comic Con.
http://deadline.com/2017/07/comic-con-once-upon-a-time-abc-season-7-1202131581/
http://io9.gizmodo.com/the-once-upon-a-time-semi-reboot-hasnt-even-started-yet-1797157955
A plot hole -- seems to me you could drive a semi truck through it.
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My guess on what happens:
Henry goes off on an adventure
Finds another land with Cindy and this time her stepmother is a witch.
Evil step-sister (for Mary Queen of Scots) falls in love with Henry.
Henry and Cindy escape to another land but the step mom tracks them down.
Cindy disappears after giving birth to Lucy.
Henry and Lucy escape and hide.
During all this, Hook, Regina, and Rumple come to his aid and the curse strikes and all reappear in our world.
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Well...this is certainly looking like a trainwreck. I really do think sometimes that the writers actively hate the fanbase and do crap to upset them on purpose. :16:
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Well, I don't know what actually happens. It's all guess work on my part. I'm betting the President of ABC wants the show cancelled and working behind the scenes to see that it happens. Loyal Reign fans may come over but I doubt they'll stay.
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Sneak Peek: Hate no mention of Emma as Henry leaves.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pEVcq6mnCu0
And more
http://tvline.com/2017/07/22/once-upon-a-time-season-7-trailer-policeman-hook/
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I call the interviews now "damage control." Cindy's stepmother is just like Cora...so who is Regina?
http://ew.com/tv/2017/07/25/once-upon-time-season-7-curse-spoilers/
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I call the interviews now "damage control." Cindy's stepmother is just like Cora...so who is Regina?
http://ew.com/tv/2017/07/25/once-upon-time-season-7-curse-spoilers/
Good grief this all sounds so bad. Count me in as thinking that re-doing Cinderella is a dumb idea and that Emma & Regina would never let Henry leave on an adventure alone as a teenager and basically all the other complaints in the comment section. btw the comment section at least made me smile because inside it I saw my own reflection. I hope like half the budget went into Robert Carlyle's pocket because that check must've been HUGE to keep him sailing on this sinking ship. Lana and Colin I feel like have been happy with the show (if you can believe that) and would've signed on for less if asked.
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I just have a feeling that it and Agents of SHIELD are a sinking ship. The question is for how long will ABC President stick by her word. She's an idiot who thinks 1950s and 1970s game shows will bring viewers back. They're fleeing Candy Crush from what I hear.
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And Gideon is back.
http://ew.com/tv/2017/08/01/once-upon-time-giles-matthey-gideon-season-7/
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Well this is unexpected news. I guess that confirms a time jump of at least twenty years (Lucy's age + a few years was the only guess available before now) if he's coming back as his adult self. I do wonder if they're going to jump this far in the future whether Belle will be allowed to age or if her continued youth will be hand-waved over like Hook's.
At least in her case I could believe it because being married to The Dark One has to have some perks after all.
I wonder if Belle and Rumple will have any more children? My guess is no, but I would like to see them with a big brood of bookworms. Rumple, for all his faults, is an excellent father after all.
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If they kill Emma, the angry fans will get them. I wonder if Horowritz or Kitz realizes this.
http://ew.com/tv/2017/09/05/once-upon-time-emma-jennifer-morrison-return-season-7-photos/?utm_campaign=entertainmentweekly&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_medium=social&xid=socialflow_facebook_entertainmentweekly
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Granted I haven't read much about season seven recently, but I haven't heard even a whisper that they would kill off Emma. That would be a shockingly bad decision at this point. Although given the Once writers...all crap is possible. *Nooooo*
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NEWS! NEWS!
Rebecca Mader is coming back for more than one episode to reprise Zelena.
Also rumors are circulating that this will be last season. No confirmation from safe sources but was on twitter the other day.
https://www.popsugar.com/entertainment/photo-gallery/43815005/image/44050352/Rebecca-Mader
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So they're bringing back yet another villain (reformed?) for season seven. Fine by me as long as the story is good (and boy do I have major doubts about that!).
A rumor I've been reading is that the new Alice may be Rumple and Belle's daughter. The rumor stems form the fact that the new Alice looks like Emilie (Belle) from certain angles. I like the idea since it gives Rumple and Belle more to do and I'm always happy to expand the Stiltskin family tree, but with Gideon and Black Fairy being a bit disappointing story wise, I'm trying not to let my hopes go up for this rumor. Granted at this point my expectations for season seven are so low it wouldn't take much to surpass them.
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Okay -- I've done a presentation back in the days of "Ever After" about fairy tales and know that legends exist in almost all countries. Cinderella has the Chinese version wearing fur slippers! Here's my understanding on Beauty and the Beast. The original is 100 pages and it is most definitely French. Alice is definitely British as Wizard is American. Reinventing a "new" fairy tale doesn't make sense.
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MP has noted that OUAT has been shifted to a Friday night time slot. Normally not a good sign for a show's longevity. He MIGHT give it a try to see just how good (or bad) the revamped version is.
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Expect a reboot. Looks like another curse. While only three of the original cast are returning, the story seems to basically be the same. They are now stuck in Hyperion Heights community of Seattle.
Oh yes, Friday the "dead zone." Add to that Inhumans is bad and follows the show. The replacement . . . a 50s show (either What's my Line or something on that order).
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Watched it this morning, let's see...
(Poetic opening line goes here)
It's ridicules to me that Regina would sign off on Henry going on a one way trip to some other realm just to find himself. I know he's supposed to be 18 here, but I don't think any parent let alone Regina would be ok with that. Plus obviously unless she was under a sleeping curse or something Emma should've been there for this ridicules send off.
FAIRYTALE REALM 458 (or whatever number system they have to explain the multiple Cinderalla realms)
Colin was right, where does Henry get the gas for that bike?
I'm still not sold on the multiple Cinderella/Alice/whatevers. The twist with Cindy wanting to kill the prince felt weird. I know they twisted the Snow White tale to make her a bandit, but that didn't really change the tale, it just gave it a twist. Having Cindy want to and her step-mum actually murder the prince wasn't so much a twist as a destruction of the Cinderella story.
IN THE CITY
I didn't really enjoy anything in the city with Roni's bar or Mr. Cluck's or step-mommy dearest. Hook aka Rogers was dull, but then again he has been for quite some time now. Lucy was basically beat for beat a Henry clone. Which is fine I guess, but I'm not in love it it. She doesn't look like either of her parents! Baelfire didn't look like either of his parents either (or his younger selves for that matter). Casting could really do better on that score. I did grow to love older Baelfire and forget that he didn't look like a good casting choice for Rumple & Milah's son so maybe I'll get over the Lucy casting too after a few episodes.
But you know what I did love? ALICE! I don't really know what's going on with Alice, but I loved her. I was lukewarm on Wonderland's version of Alice (didn't like the way Adam/Eddie act like it never happened though) so if this can be the 'real' version of Alice I would be cool with that. I love that she's weird and views wonderland as just one trip. She says she knows Rumple and it didn't really sound in this episode like she's his daughter, but it's not impossible and I would love it. Rumple was good in his two tiny bits - holding a guys head underwater and bragging about breaking a suspects finger (that was hard to hear) as Weaver...I have to imagine that he's awake right? There hasn't been a curse yet that could fool The Dark One so why should Lady Tremaine the cheap knock-off of Regina, be able to cast a curse that could separate Rumple from his memories.
It does feel weird that only Rumple, Regina and Hook are here. I don't think at this point that they've found a good excuse for why they're the only ones who crossed over from Storybrook yet.
All things considered - my expectations were low coming and I think it wasn't too bad of a premiere based on those criteria. Big pluses for Alice and some minuses with Cinderella and her storyline and Roni's bar stuff.
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Your review is almost verbatim what I'm reading at other sites. My take on the show got distracted with the dagger which you didn't even pick up on. Here's my take.
The "off to another realm" could make sense in that everyone knows him in Storybooke. Most kids go to college. Maybe Henry felt the option was to visit lands he had never seen and felt London, Paris, etc. didn't fit the bill.
On to Cinder -- of which there is a book by that name where Cinder is a schemer -- the whole thing felt rushed. What did the prince do to her father? Was she not supposed to be at the ball? Was the ball open to all the town? Is that how Henry got in which brings me to the main problem: Where did he get a dark dagger with his name on it. Does he have dark one powers.
Rumple needs to be detailed more. Only two small scenes. We do now know that Alice is apparently Rumple's grand child (by Giles I take it) and wants Henry gone because of the fact you can't mess in other stories. Question: Hasn't Rumple in his way by granting magic.
Contrived names: Hook = Rogers. Rumple/Gold = Weaver. Can't quite grasp why Roni for Regina.
Good news -- Zelena will still be Roni's sister.
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Where did he get a dark dagger with his name on it. Does he have dark one powers.
Rumple needs to be detailed more. Only two small scenes. We do now know that Alice is apparently Rumple's grand child (by Giles I take it) and wants Henry gone because of the fact you can't mess in other stories. Question: Hasn't Rumple in his way by granting magic.
Whoa whoa where did this Alice is Rumple's granddaughter from? I haven't read that anywhere (granted I haven't read anything since last week to even know what everyone is saying. In the show she said something about knowing Rumple and that his grandpa (Henry's grandpa) was looking out for him. Plus Gideon was a baby again at the end of season six so he'd only be 15-20 now max (depending on how long Henry has been gone) so unless magic intervenes (very possible in his lineage) he can't possibly have a grown daughter. Now Rumple and Belle could have a daughter in the 13-18ish range that could be Alice (again magical aging could fit this too).
The dagger was (as far as I know) just a dagger wasn't it? It had his initials, but otherwise it looked normal enough. I'd cheer if they made Henry the Dark One because that would be a huge surprise and an interesting direction to take.
I liked the Rumple scenes just because I was happy to see him, but on reflection they are a bit annoying. Didn't he just vanquish the black fairy and get invited to the hero table? Why is he a big bad again here? (Again I believe he must have his memories like every other cursed time). The writers do this all the time with him. They make him good and then they yank it all back for little to no reason just because they need another villain too help/match wits with the main villain of the season.
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Oh on the Roni-Regina thing - the only thing I can think of is that Once Podcast sometimes referred to The Evil Queen (when she and Regina were split) as 'Ronda' though why they did it eludes me at the moment and I doubt the writers would give a nod to a podcast anyway.
If I here a better theory I'll post it.
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No -- Cinder read the name (I think it was Cinder, could have been stepmommy). Somehow I just got the impression that Alice was Rumple's granddaughter. I'll try to remember where.
The shot from episode 4 showed Rumple with adult Giles. Mathney talked about how good it was to be on set.
More latter.
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Twice Upon a Time (TUAT)
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Overall Assessment: MP feels it would be unfair to assess TUAT based soley upon a premiere episode that was heavy on new character introduction/exposition by necessity. He needs to see three or four episodes before coming to any kind of conclusion. Suffice it to say that K&H have taken a big gamble---hoping to attract new viewers by attempting to recapture the magic of season one of OUAT while introducing enough new characters/story elements to hold on to the loyal fans. It’s understandable for a show that is teetering on the edge of the ratings abyss. Whether the gamble pays off remains to be seen.
MP will offer some random observations and limit his comments primarily to the four corners of the episode. MP is not even in the same zip code as Outtie and LindaM when it comes to knowledge of what has come before.
Characters: MP believes adult Henry is an upgrade from Emma. MP always thought Morrison was a little too wooden and lacked the strong, dynamic, charismatic presence required to hold the center against the centrifugal forces of OUAT. Can Gilmore pull it off? We’ll see. MP thought he saw a spark of romantic chemistry between Henry and Cinderella, although it might have been the Maker’s Mark combined with wishful thinking. Cinderella/Jacinda and Lucy were OK. Gabrielle Anwar (Burn Notice) was a good casting choice for a villain but K&H need to give her more leash to pull off Tremaine/Belfry convincingly. Think Cora, K&H, think Cora. MP hopes the fairy godmother gets her dust together and returns. TUAT needs an eccentric, off-center, funny recurring character. That is why MP liked Cruella (and her car) so much even though she didn’t fit the bill completely. Alice made a brief but impressive appearance. Regina/Roni---what to make of that? K&H continue to commit a crime against humanity by so underutilizing/misusing the talent of Parilla. Rumple/Hook as two Seattle detectives with British accents? OMG! If the BBC aired a British drama featuring a pair of Scotland Yard DIs with NYC accents the show would be laughed off of the telly! Too little and too early to tell WRT this pair.
Story/Writing: Obviously Season One 2.0. Perhaps OUAT is finally out of beta. The substitution of Cinderella for Snow White as the central fairy tale? Who knows? The substitution of an urban, gritty, run-down, multi-racial/ethnic enclave for a remote, WASPy, idyllic small town? Who knows? Alice, Wonderland? If it is an indication that K&H intend to more fully mine the fables of Lewis Carroll they have struck a rich vein indeed. MP hopes they do justice to Carroll. Regarding the writing, the usual mixed bag. By the end of the show, if MP had heard “story” one more time, e.g., “it’s not your story,” “you need to find your story, ” “I need to find out what my story is,” etc., he would have jumped off of the 12th story. Note to K&H: If you want to give a character some sort of momentous monologue, find some writers who can write above the level of mediocre.
Bottom line: MP is not yet ready to bill ABC for the time he has spent laboring through TUAT. He continues to harbor embers of hope that K&H can realize some of the enormous potential in utilizing the power of fairy tales with a contemporary twist to captivate a small-screen audience. Find YOUR story, K&H, one we can all enjoy.
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Maybe Spoiler Alert: Emma comes back Friday night. Rumor has it that one still picture from the episode shows that she could have a bun in the oven thus cannot stay behind to help Henry. I remember her saying in the promo -- are you happy here? Or do you want to stay? That might be what a mother says if she knows she can't be present to help that child. The real question is: Two Hooks?
One supposition is that it's two Hooks because one returns to Storybrooke with Emma The one thing I know is if they kill Emma, they will have a bunch of upset fans. Making her pregnant makes people happy. But explain two Hooks with crushes on Emma . . .
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On Episode Two aka that really bad fanfiction episode that accidentally made it on air...
Magic Beans…they’re everywhere! I guess Tiny and the dwarves must’ve finally found a way to grow those things by the bushel because they are evidently cheap and easy to find now. And if they’re so easy to find and use now…why hasn’t anyone been in touch with Henry? It sounded like this was the first time they’d seen him in ‘many years’ yet he was only a bean-ride away all that time?
Henry and Rumple – One of my biggest gripes with Once is how they almost totally ignore the ties between Henry and Rumple. Even as an adult Henry is acting like Emma, Regina, Snow/Charming, and to a lesser extent Hook are his only family. As Baelfire said back in season 3 ‘family meant something to dear old dad’ so why do they write the show as if Rumple doesn’t give a hoot about Henry and vice versa? It's frustrating.
Regina and Henry – I love that Regina stays with Henry to help him on his quest. It makes total sense and it’s nice that something in this episode did.
Emma – she was basically wasted here. Not that that's anything new at this point. Regina and Hook’s sad looks about Emma were nothing but death bait. But hey I guess pregnancy over forty can be dangerous. They could’ve at least made her 9 months pregnant or something where it would be reasonable to say she shouldn’t be jumping through magic bean holes right then.
(sigh) Wish Hook – Well this one is confirmed. OK so there are now two Regina’s living separate lives and two Hooks. Great. It’s not like there was a better choice to split, perhaps a delightfully quippy (and insane) little imp who might liven up some of these flashbacks perhaps? Kidding aside (not that I was kidding) the ‘old rummy’ version of Hook was funny for a minute in the wish realm, but those double shots were painful to watch and this from someone who thought Emma’s wig looked just fine. The daughter subplot makes me worry that they’ll make Alice his missing daughter and ruin the fun of her being a Rumple or Jefferson descendant. I really hope this daughter is Rapunzel instead as has been suggested elseware. The one good point in all of this is that now they have a real chance to reset Hook back to the fun version…and yet I sense they won’t. Captain Hook always worked best to me as a pirate. Not as a boyfriend or a husband or a father…but as a pirate. Dashing, flirty and nefarious, with an occasional good deed tossed in to keep him interesting.
By the way if there was even a doubt left that Regina shouldn't get points for killing the WishCharmings.... I think this proves that they were real too. If WishHook and Wish Evil Queen were real alive people…so were the wish Charmings.
I did like the grayness of Weaver though. It's very season one Rumple and I think he is awake and trying to help Henry without giving the game away to Lady Tremaine. Though the elbow to the face of his grandson was not something I liked (see note above on Henry and Rumple).
Overall this season is still a mess to me. The timelines are too vague. The characters ages are glossed over. Magic beans are growing on trees now. Would it really be so hard to put a firm date on things and say Henry met Cinderella five years after leaving home and to say Emma, Hook ect. aren’t any older because of magic whatsits and that Tiny’s bean-field had a bumper crop this year. Just the basics. And if Henry could at some point acknowledge and show some affection for his other grandpa and vice versa, I would truly appreciate it.
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Rumple's episode is #4 so not that far off. Here's my take:
Total waste of Emma definitely. All she did was tell us she was preggers and "save" Wish world Hook.
Two Hooks -- well, at least "real" Hook will be with Emma. I'm slightly different and wf illing to give new Hook a chance to see if he can change his heart from black.
And exactly how many children have died or gone missing? If I didn't know better I would say it was May -- ABC's traditional Dead Baby Month from the 90s.
Contrived way to get into the ballet. How did they know who to contact?
Weaver/Rumple not be completely dumb to what is going on. He sees through Lady Tremaine.
What will make Henry wake up. Hook2 (as some refer to him) is wondering about Emma and kept a memory that she saved him even if the memory is foggy.
Could Regina be beginning to have doubts. I also loved how she stayed behind.
Last -- are they going to Hook 2 with Roni/Regina?
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Last -- are they going to Hook 2 with Roni/Regina?
My thoughts have been for some time that they should've paired Hook with Regina and not with Emma. But at this point...I just wish they'd drop all the coupling and focus on other things. Except for Rumbelle or course. I'd actually like more couple stuff from them because they've been given short shrift for a long time.
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Twitter thinks they're hiding something "bad" about Emma from Henry because Hook wouldn't tell Henry what was "really" going on. I tihnk they aren't but I'm not about to get into that argument. And I'm more and more convinced that the years advance differently in each "kingdom".
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MP found A Pirate's Life somewhat disjointed and confusing. Old young Henry, new older Henry, left Hook, right Hook, missing daughter left Hook, Emma with bun in the oven Right Hook (bleach blonde is not her best look), Regina No Hook....Then again, MP is not an initiate in the Order of the OUAT Acolytes. MP is not yet ready to bail but he is looking for a parachute. It never hurts to be prepared.
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I'll stick awhile longer. The Hook2 as I call him was old and fat in Wish EF. I'm not sure how the spell worked by a non-magic believer made him young except to accept the fact that there is more magic in Tremaine than thought. If they make her the Black Fairy I may scream. On the other hand, Zelena is filming beginning today.
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My take on the mess.
https://televisionchangesblog.com/2017/10/18/once-upon-a-time-changes-and-season-7/
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I'll stick awhile longer. The Hook2 as I call him was old and fat in Wish EF. I'm not sure how the spell worked by a non-magic believer made him young except to accept the fact that there is more magic in Tremaine than thought. If they make her the Black Fairy I may scream. On the other hand, Zelena is filming beginning today.
MP wondered about Tremaine wielding magic. Every time she does, doesn't she say something like "Magic is taken, not given." Does that imply that the magic in the wand obeys its' holder, even if the holder happens to be just some mortal schmuck? The other possibility might be that the fairy godmother's magic was transferred to Tremaine when T used the wand to turn FG into fairy dust. Think Rumple and the dagger. Of course, Rumple had magical critters in his ancestry. BTW, who the heck is the Black Fairy?
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BTW, who the heck is the Black Fairy?
Short answer - she was Rumple's mother and 'the big bad' of season six.
Long answer - She was Rumple's mother. Her name was Fiona and she was actually human. She stole a wand and (somehow) turned herself into a (Gold colored) fairy because according to her she needed to protect her son from his destiny to die a hero (or however that stupid plot point went). After a few weeks of dragging Tiger Lily (also a fairy) around looking for a special baby (plot point forgotten) she gets antsy and tries out some black magic and is turned into The Black Fairy for her trouble and she is immediately (I mean within seconds of turning black) banished from the Enchanted Forest by the Blue Fairy.
So BOTH Rumple's parents started out human and then abandoned him to gain youth/power/magic whatever and became magical creatures. Which of course mirrors Rumple's own journey, starting out human and becoming magical in a quest to gain power and save his son, only to lose him anyway. Twice in fact.
Personally I thought the Black Fairy storyline was confusing and we never really understood what her motivations were. Which is an issue that Rumple's character (among others) has also suffered from in later seasons.
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Thank you Outtie. A thorough and enlightening answer, as always. This whole “magic taken/magic given” issue caused MP to engage in a train of thought that usually ends in a train wreck. Although MP can’t be certain due to his sporadic engagement with OUAT over the years (except for Season One), he believes that Emma was born with white magic. If this is correct, Emma’s offspring might also possess white magic. Is this a possibility or is MP just whistling into the abyss? (It won’t be the first time or the last.)
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Emma's magic is 'Savior' magic. Because her parents hair (true love) was woven into the dark curse that Regina cast back in season one, Emma was basically born a 'savior', however as she was transported to our land without magic moments after her birth we have no way of knowing if she would've grown up with powers or not. As I recall she didn't start exhibiting magical tendencies until she broke the original curse by kissing Henry. After that she had some ability, but it was kind of weak and untrained for a long time.
Henry has some ability too, both as The Author and having 'the heart of the truest believer', but I don't think we've ever seen him use magic per say.
As for Emma's new offspring having powers...possibly. While Emma and Hook have both been Dark Ones and I'm pretty sure no Dark Ones have ever reproduced together before since the usual method of dark one power transference is murder, but though Emma still seems to have Savior magic, Hook has only been shown using magical items, which apparently any norm can do, other than his own brief stint as the DO when he healed Rumple's leg and poofed around a bit. Who knows really.
Chime in if you have anything else to add LM. I fully acknowledge you as the Emma expert around here. :039:
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Okay -- I definitely am not the Emma expert but here's my take on it. Yes, Emma supposedly was created by the dark curse but really it was true love. Emma's gift of "saving the town" came from the curse, but I think she had to have magical abilities of her own because of her parent's true love. And let's not forget it was the gift of music in season 6 that revealed just how powerful true love is.
Neil may not have been magical but I honestly believe that there was a hint of it in him. I'm rereading a Jayne Anne Krentz novel now that has the setting in a town where everyone has a hint of what Once would call magic. It's how advanced their power is that makes them powerful. I think Neil is the one who gave Henry the "true believer's" heart. He may have done some shady things but he did believe, in the end, that magic existed because of his father.
And that being said, let's not forget the historical quest always associated with the hero. Emma, as hero, not only had to prove herself, defeat the evil and vanquish it (or in Regina's case, change her heart), but also find her place. Emma did that so basically her story (and I'll even say Storybrooke) was done. Now her son is on his quest. The real question is: Is he the "hero" or "savior" of this story or is it Cinderalla or Lucy?
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Good discussion of Emma’s magic, Outtie and LindaM. It seems to MP that a major premise of OUAT is that true love always defeats even the most powerful dark magic. Therefore, true love must be the most powerful magic. Without it, there is no hope and dark magic triumphs.
LindaM asks a good question: Who will turn out to be the savior? At this point in the story MP is more interested in the answer to another question: How the heck did Tremaine cast such a powerful dark curse? She must have had help, but from whom and from what? Rumple must figure into the mix. Does Cora lurk in Tremaine’s back story (MP hopes so)? Zelena? The Evil Queen? Or is there some new villain we have yet to meet? What about the glass slipper?
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Ok I think this was definitely the best of season seven so far. It will probably get surpassed by next week’s Alice/Rumple/Belle centric, but for now at least it’s the best.
I liked that we learned what Tremaine’s goal is... her 14 year old daughter Anastasia is mostly dead and needs a believing heart to revive. Ok that's creepy, but no creepier than Regina and zombie Daniel from season two.
Weaver’s long game gave me happy chills. I just know that he's awake and lining up all the domino's to fall on Belfrey. :97:
I don’t really have a lot to complain about this week. If I have one it’s that I’m still not on board with New Cinderella (I didn’t like old Cinders much either come to think of it). I haven’t been able to embrace her yet and I really hope that changes soon since she’s obviously so important to Henry’s story.
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Okay --- I take it Lady Tremaine never heard of Frankenstein or is she stuck so much on the Princess Bride. My real question is this: Who is she holding prisoner and why didn't it have to be with some special chains/spells, Come on, now we know where the eighth witch came from.
On another note -- Ella (or it is Ella Enchanted) is boring. Revolutionary may be good and why Titiana at all.
More later.
Oh, Rumple didn't get it, I don't think, until Alice calls him Rumple.
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Hopefully, the puppy won't decide to put her two paws into it.
I think that Henry wants to believe but the spell has hit him the hardest. Somehow he apparently is the last to arrive, and the one everyone (Weaver, Tremaine) has been on the look out for.
Will Weaver be good? That's the million dollar question. I think he will be in it for himself but will he change when he realizes the particulars?
Alice -- I think she has ties to Hook2 and Rumple. She may be the child that Hook2 went hunting. She may be Gideon's daughter. Maybe we'll find out more by the end of the week.
The executives are not ruling out a Belle return.
Tremaine's daughter -- almost dead. As someone on Twitter said last night: Call in Miracle Max. Or is that too new a story?
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Finally! Finally! Finally! The Garden of the Forking Paths is the best episode of Season 7, by far. Of course, the first two episodes were so pedestrian MP might be overestimating this episode. MP will limit his comments to the four corners of the episode because he dares not compete with the superior OUAT/Fairy Tale/Mythology knowledge of Outtie and LindaM.
Strengths: A bunch of great teasers for stories to come. Anastasia, the beloved daughter, pure of heart, suspended between life and death, a single breath away from life or the Underworld. How did this happen, who did it, and what will happen? The Witch in the Tower of Belfry Tower. How did she come to be Belfry’s prisoner and will she play a role in the resurrection of Anastasia? What will happen after that? A very ominous conversation between these two, no love lost. As an aside, MP was hoping Victoria would also have a few bats in her belfry……ummm, sorry. Lucy’s and Henry’s (inferred from context) protected hearts. How did they come to be protected and who protects them? Rumple? Regina? Emma? Characters: Tremaine/Belfry—MP is warming up to her because he sees real Coraesque potential. Destroying everything her step-granddaughter believes in so she will willingly surrender her true belief? That sounds like a page straight from Cora’s playbook. Rumple/Weaver is warming up but the writers need to give him a bit more scenery to chew on. Henry—MP is liking him more but the writers need to give him more range. Even Left Hook is showing some potential. The Witch—MP liked her instantly.
Weaknesses: Jacinda/Cindy—she is wearing on MP. MP thought he would never say this but watching J/C makes him long for the days of Emma Swan. You should have taken the condo and run like a thief in the night, J/C. Some spotty writing---Jacinda’s hokey, schmaltzy monologue and “truly believe, true believer, believe, believe…,” liberally sprinkled throughout the episode. Enough already! Can’t the OUAT writers…..never mind, it’s hopeless. The crooked guy from the building commission---another British accent?! MP figured out what’s going on. It’s not the Russians we need to fear, it’s the British! They’re taking over the government from the bottom up, one position at a time. Diabolically clever. Where are the ICE agents? Call the FBI! Get Bannon and Breitbart on this pronto! MP knows that Hook is Irish and Rumple is a Scotsman but that’s close enough for government work.
The previews from next week’s episode look good. MP hopes that Alice proves to be a somewhat demented, unpredictable character. OUAT needs a wild card.
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Lucy’s and Henry’s (inferred from context) protected hearts. How did they come to be protected and who protects them? Rumple? Regina? Emma?
Okay, if I remember correctly, Emma's heart was pure and could not be taken. Cora tried and was defeated. The reason: Her goodness. And it wasn't that she could give it either.
Henry's "pure of heart" came from a protection spell I believe (and Outtie will correct if I am wrong) cast by Regina. It could have been season 4 (or was it 5) when Regina to protect Henry confined him to a house. I believe it was during the Peter Pan saga which was season 3. As far as I recall, Emma has left the protection spells to Regina. Rumple only does them in extreme incidents. Otherwise, he would have cast one on Neil.
Lucy's is still to be determined. If she is the "savior," her heart may have the same protection as Emma. I don't think Emma has met Lucy so she didn't cast the spell.
Anastasia, the beloved daughter, pure of heart, suspended between life and death
The daughter of Tremaine -- pure of heart. I don't think that she's as pure as we think. And why would Ella's dad be responsible for what happened to her. Makes me want to go review Ella Enchanted to see what I missed.
The witch is the interesting character. Remember her threat seems even more powerful than the Black Fairy. And what is with this "Black Fairy dust" suddenly. We know what it will do after seeing it last season.
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LindaM, regarding your comment on protected hearts, it raised several follow-up questions in MP’s mind but he will keep his yap shut for the time being, probably much to the relief of you and Outtie.
Regarding Anatasia’s pure heart, you have a point. Tremaine/Belfry is no Sweet Polly Purebred and the other sister, Drizella/Ivy, does not exactly ooze sweetness and light. Plus, MP knows several moms (and dads) who look at one or more of their children through rose-colored glasses or wear blinders. On the other hand, Anastasia is only 14, perhaps her evil gene is still dormant. If MP recalls correctly, Regina was pretty innocent and pure as a girl/young woman and she had a mom with the blackest of black hearts. Of course, Regina’s dad was a decent guy. That raises an interesting question: Who is/was Anastasia’s father?
Regardless of how Anastasia was before suspended animation, MP doubts her resurrection will go as planned, especially if the Witch is involved in the proceedings. Who knows what sort of creature will arise from the crypt?
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Well, remember that Henry's dad was not pure of heart. He was a thief and con artist for awhile Neil only turned his life around when Emma came into it. Plus the message that August showed him. I think August played a part in making Neil good.
As to who Anastasia's father is, who knows. I'm beginning to believe it might be Hook but am uncertain. She's seen Hook in Seattle but she didn't see him in the Enchanted Evil Woods.
As to bringing someone back from the dead like Victoria wants to do . . . well, some evil always exist. Remember, all magic comes with a cost. Magic Max didn't use real magic to awaken Wesley in the Princess Bride either. That pill was fake.
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Pics from this week's show. Notice Belle please which only shows that my "time hopping" theory may have truth to it.
http://www.tvguide.com/news/once-upon-a-time-first-look-photos-rumbelle-happy-ending/
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To me it looks like Rumple and Belle have moved away to some new land, possibly a land where time moves MUCH faster, fast enough in fact that Gideon will be grown up again and available for future plots and Alice may not even be a Rumbelle baby, but a Rumbelle GRANDbaby. Personally I would like to see them have more children (that are NOT kidnapped/abandoned and otherwise suffering) as part of their happy ever after, but I don't mind if Alice is their granddaughter rather than a daughter. I just want her to be related to them in some way because she seems so cool and on this show all the best characters end up being related to Rumple in some way.
As long as Rumple and Belle get some genuine happiness after all the plot crap they had to slog through then I'm fine with the 'who wants to live forever' ending. At least Belle's old-age make-up is better than Heather's in Highlander. :o
I'm expecting some 'Up' parallels for Rumbelle...which means lots of tears come Friday. :03:
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Only a few hours to go till the big Rumbelle finale. I wonder which GIFs best describe the episode we're about to watch...
Will it be...
(https://s26.postimg.org/uzblr6e39/2013_OUAT_GIF_Belle_not_amused.gif) (https://postimg.org/image/uzblr6e39/)(https://s26.postimg.org/jzlcighcl/2013_OUAT_Fan_GIF_Rumple_Feels_Whatever.gif) (https://postimg.org/image/jzlcighcl/)
Or...
(https://s26.postimg.org/wkltlvhzp/2013_OUAT_Fan_GIF_Rumple_set_1_of_2_Bookcase_of_E.gif) (https://postimg.org/image/wkltlvhzp/)(https://s26.postimg.org/6b0r32w2d/2013_OUAT_Fan_GIF_Rumple_set_2_of_2_Cane_of_Feeli.gif) (https://postimg.org/image/6b0r32w2d/)
Or...
(https://s26.postimg.org/4909oty39/2013_OUAT_GIF_Rumbelle_Feels.gif) (https://postimg.org/image/4909oty39/)(https://s26.postimg.org/gijafhiad/2013_OUAT_GIF_Rumple_ugly_crying.gif) (https://postimg.org/image/gijafhiad/)
My prediction is set three. Got my tissue box handy already. Please please let this be a good episode!
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(https://s26.postimg.org/4909oty39/2013_OUAT_GIF_Rumbelle_Feels.gif) (https://postimg.org/image/4909oty39/)(https://s26.postimg.org/gijafhiad/2013_OUAT_GIF_Rumple_ugly_crying.gif) (https://postimg.org/image/gijafhiad/)
Ugly crying it is then. I'd better go drink a glass of water before I die of dehydration. Ok perhaps that was a tad dramatic, but still... :'(
The Alice actress is truly fantastic. Perfect casting. Is she this 'guardian' gobbledygook who can free Rumple of the dagger? After all he ran right into her after traveling specifically to where the guardian was (I think?), but also Henry zoomed right by a second later so maybe Henry will be the one?
They should probably package Skin Deep and Beauty together as a movie (with a few edits to remove unneeded plot points like 'girls night' and Lucy). This episode wasn't as good as Skin Deep per say but it was beautiful just the same. The montage about finished me before Belle even died.
I guess Alice isn't a Rum-baby or Rum-grandbaby after all? Color me disappointed. Hook doesn't deserve a daughter who is that crazy delicious to watch.
Rumple wasn't awake after all. That must be one HECK of a curse to fool The Dark One (must be all those years of not using the dagger). But he is sure as shooting awake now and he's going to take Lady Tremaine down!
I don't really understand Belle's translation of this 'fairy' text (loved Rumple's subtle look of distain at the word fairy...but maybe that was just my imagination) or why she had to die in order for what...for Rumple to quest after this 'guardian'? Confusion lives here. Perhaps a re-watch (after sufficient sleep and hydration) will help.
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Emilie on 'Beauty'
http://ew.com/tv/2017/10/27/once-upon-a-time-emilie-de-ravin-belle-dead/
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Rumbelle had many happy years together. She stayed true to not allowing him to use that dagger. Add to that she was his true love. I cried. But loved happy Giles. Happy family.
Now, the question is: who is the Guardian. Do you remember Tom Baker's epic Doctor Who Key of Time saga. This is setting up similar but without keys. Everything is to unite Rumple with Belle forever.
My thoughts on the Guardian is now my thoughts of the dagger of Henry. Does that dagger signify that he's the Guardian. He's born of the Savior and the son of the Dark One after all. He has the pure heart and is the author.
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So, Rumbelle finally had their happily ever after, sort of. MP found it somewhat ironic that it was based on Belle’s deception of Rumple. Is Belle truly gone for good? Given that the OUAT writers play almost as fast and loose with time (and resurrection?) as the GoT writers, MP would not bet the ranch on it.
Rumple had his memory wiped by the curse? It IS hard to believe, but maybe it was voluntary? Of course, then it would be difficult to square voluntary with the fact that Rumple asked Alice to shoot him. He must have come to trust Alice a great deal in Cinderella’s realm. It must all have been part of Rumple’s plan; Rumple always has a plan, but what the @#$%^& is it?
MP does not believe that Rumple has been separated from his dagger by the Guardian and rendered mortal. If he is, how did he survive the gunshot wound? But then the question arises---where is the dagger?
MP hopes Alice has an interesting back story, e,.g., exactly how she came to be in Cindy’s realm. How did she retain her memory and how did Rumple know she would before he lost his? What is in those nasty-looking black capsules? Lots of mysteries surrounding Alice.
Of course, there is an alternative explanation for some of this. Rumple did find the Guardian in Cindy’s realm and became mortal. But then came the curse. Rumple realized he would have his memory wiped and Alice would not so he told Alice to shoot him in whatever realm he wound up in so he could be reunited with Belle. But Belle sent him back to the mortal realm with his memory restored. Why? Because Rumple has unfinished business---to defeat Tremaine and the curse in order to protect his grandson and great-granddaughter. The Dark One will rise again. Believe it or not, MP came up with this theory without the assistance of alcohol or mind-altering drugs. But it does have a couple of holes: First, why would Rumple give Alice the teacup if the plan was just to shoot and kill him? Second, Rumple’s use of “Dearie” probably means he still is the Dark One. Oh well, back to the drugs.
A major story line of OUAT the original was the redemption of Regina. Perhaps a major story line of OUAT the reboot will be the redemption of Rumple.
All of the relevant players have been assembled in Cindy land. What now?
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From what I read last year, Robert wanted out but decided to stay because he kids like the school (and they probably gave him a boat load of cash). Here's my take. This is setting up for him to finalize business so he can be reunited with Belle forever.
The Guardian has not been found. If the Guardian had been found:
Rumple would have died and been reunited with Belle
No evil would be in Hyperion Heights
The world would be a much happier place.
To me, the Guardian is either Henry or Lucy. Lucy is too young. Cindy is a wimp so forget about her. Tiana is an unknown. I just found it funny that it seems to be either Alice or Henry. I said earlier (episode 1, this season) that Henry's dagger looked dark -- dark blade while Tremaine's was shiny and thought it was an "Easter egg" then.
I think Alice has a tie to Hook's daughter (if not Hook's daughter). Something tells me he will be the last who is freed from the curse.
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Interview with K&H re: Rumbelle, the Gurardian, Rumple, Alice:
http://ew.com/tv/2017/10/27/once-upon-a-time-belle-dead-kitsis-horowitz/
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And Zelena's daughter, Robin, has grown up. She'll be played by the actress playing Polly on Riverdale.
http://tvline.com/2017/11/01/once-upon-a-time-season-7-tiera-skovbye-zelena-daughter-robin/
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That's interesting LM. I'm glad that they're bringing in 'the kids' at some point...wither Prince Neal, Alexandra (whoops sorry no other Cinderella kids allowed this season!), Hansel and Gretel, Grace Hatter and that (probably by now) heartthrob Roland Hood?
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I don't think that actress looks like Zelena or Robin Hood though. At least not in that picture.
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Anyone want to guess who he will play. Too young for Roni.
http://ew.com/tv/2017/11/02/once-upon-a-time-nathan-parsons/
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No Rumple. No Alice. :16:
Well I like Tiana. She's got some fight in her which is more than you can say for Jacinda. I seriously do not understand why 'Princess' Tiana and her mother (presumably the Queen) were having a yard sale. That's just not what royalty does. Maybe they should've been written as a noble family that had fallen on hard times because the king was hiking up taxes or something. But the rest of her story I liked well enough. The frog thing was cute, but would it have killed them to throw in a golden ball somewhere?
My favorite part of the episode was Dr. Facillier (however you spell it) especially when he dropped the Desparate Souls line. There is a character I wouldn't mind seeing come back.
The idea that the ladies could just close down a chicken restaurant they didn't own (seriously are they the only employees?) without their bosses say so and sell their pastries out of it was almost as ludicrous as buying an old (non food) truck with presumably all the money they had. Did she even think about the need for an oven or more baking supplies? I hope she at least remembered to buy a giant bottle of Lysol.
So ivy/Drizela is awake and might be the actual curse caster? At least it seemed like she and the witch in the tower were very familiar and I had the impression that Ivy knew she was there all along and not just a few days.
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Good supposition especially about Ivy but would a recurring character have the ability to do it?
More later.
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MP thought “Greenbacks” was a semi-decent episode. Tiana’s backstory was thoroughly uninteresting except for the mysterious, delightfully evil Dr. Facilier (We need to see more of him. Is he lurking somewhere in Hyperion Heights? If he is, the British accent marks him as a government official.) and the funny twist at the end. The Hyperion Heights stories were OK, but MP perked up when the Belfry Witch entered the picture. So, Ivy, the seemingly whipped pup, is really a chip off the old block. Evil games within evil games and BW playing all sides. MP loves it, it appeals to his Poe side.
Speaking of the BW, MP is quite intrigued by this evil (just how evil is she?) vixen. OUAT needs to give her a name so MP can be properly introduced. When he was reunited with her MP even broke into song:
Raven hair and ruby lips
Sparks fly from her finger tips
Echoed voices in the night
She's a restless spirit on an endless flight
Wooo hooo witchy woman see how high she flies
Woo hoo witchy woman she got the moon in her eye
She held me spellbound in the night
Dancing shadows and firelight
Crazy laughter in another room
And she drove herself to madness with a silver spoon
Woo hoo witchy woman see how high she flies
Woo hoo witchy woman she got the moon in her eye…
Lyrics from Witchy Woman, Eagles
MP always sings off-key but he compensates by singing very loudly. He needs to be retrofitted with auto tune. For those who would like to listen to “The Full Monty” version (sorry for the weak reference, Outtie) sung on-key:
https://youtu.be/DkxOuzbJy98?t=44
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I've heard she is the witch from Rapunzel but they're playing that close to the vest. I'm figuring it is one of the many witches of Oz and we'll learn more about her when Zelena appears.
Now I have a question: How are they going to explain these children's growth spurts. I know that we already agreed that Gideon grew because they moved to a different land where time was different but I don't remember Zelena leaving Storybrooke unless we haven't seen it yet.
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Loved - Weaver refusing to use the wheelchair and also Alice getting Rogers to wheel her out in it. Love them both.
Dislike - Jacinda and Lucy. Still not feeling them.
Intrigued - I wonder what Ivy did to lock Regina into the curse? I assume it must involve Henry or possibly Lucy getting hurt if the curse is broken. I wonder who's heart Drizella used to cast the curse? She didn't seem to love anyone at all, not even that nice prince of hers ( you know the one she murdered to blacken her heart).
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I've wondered that also. Unless in the new EW the spell can be casted with a dark heart, maybe that's why it will be hard and destructive to cast the spell.
Missed the wheelchair bit. Here's my question. How can Weaver continue to fake it now that he's awake.
Wonder if Tremaine hates magic because of Drucillza.
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MP must admit the vortex of the plot is drawing him in a bit. Wake Up Call advanced the story significantly and introduced some interesting twists. MP’s question is: How did the Belfry witch retain her magic in a magicless Hyperion Heights? If MP recalls season 1 correctly, even Rumple did not have his magic in Storybrooke after the curse was cast. MP also seems to recall that even true love’s kiss did not return magic to Storybrooke, it was something Rumple did. Will he do so again? Or will it be Regina? Also, if Victoria Belfry has her memory (how did she remember Anastasia), how come she is not on to Drisella?
Drisella and BW appear to be quite the evil botanists. MP expected that evil Venus fly trap to say “I’m, hungry Drisella, feed me!”
Good call on Drisella, Outtie.
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Ok I just finished episode one of the double from last night....
SPOILERS
.... Eeeeeeeeeeeeeew on Hook and fake Rapunzel making a baby in the tower. I'm still annoyed that the fabulously acted Alice is stupid fake-Hook's kid.
In HH
Looks like RumpleWeaver WAS trying to help Rogers after all. But Rogers didn't listen and now the clearly uber evil Goetle (great now I have to learn to spell that) is on the loose in HH.
Loved the reveal that the dagger is stashed in an evidence box.
Glad to see Belfrey arrested, even if it was part of Ivy's evil plot, it was still enjoyable.
Social services suck even in fairytale character curse created places.
Wish Realm nonsense
Ok pardon me for being confused, but all I can recall from our previous visit to the Wish Realm (which took place thirty or so years in the future from the events of this episode and supposedly the land didn't exist before that because it was created when Emma's wish was granted by The Evil Queen when she was split from Regina) ...lets see Snow and Charming defeated the evil queen, they had Emma, Emma married Neal (still completely unexplained) Neal dies (because the writers are jerks) they had Henry and all was happy until Regina came from Storybrooke murdered the wishCharmings, took Emma back with her leaving WishHenry an orphan and also wishHook was old fat and othwise the same. WishRumple (all this wish realm crap and NO More WishRumple?! These writers suck) was nuts because he found Belle starved to death in a tower (again the writers are jerks).
...so this episode picks up thirtyish years in the past from all that and the defeated WishEvilQueen (who is a different person from Regina or the split from her Evil Queen who used Emma's wish to create this epic plot swamp) has come magicless to WishHook for help in getting her revenge on The WishCharmings (just wait thirty years love and one of your other selves will do it for you). Hook still wants revenge on Rumple (where is he? I want my crazy WishRumple back!) so he goes looking for a tower where he finds a pretty blonde and almost immediately get it on. WishHook wakes up and suddenly he's a dad and his pretty blonde is now an evil witch who hustled out the window leaving their magically born daughter alone to die in a tower (ones this make Goetle the official worst person in all of ONCE?). Hook gives Smee the Jolly Roger and stays behind to raise his daughter 'Alice' in said tower until what...the new curse hits?
So is Wish Realm the same land that our new Cinderella comes from? If they're saying that WishHook and WishEvilQueen met up to plan revenge on the WishCharmings and WishRumple then clearly they must be in Wish Realm still. And if Goetle is from Wish Realm does that mean that Lady Tremaine, Drizella, Jacinda and Tiana are all Wish Realm people created by Emma's wish too? ...man you really should be careful what you wish for.
What I wouldn't give to see this show rewritten by people who actually care about the show.
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Ok so on the next episode...
Wonderland looked cool.
Still don't like Jacinda.
Jack (of beanstalk fame) was a bad woman in our Enchanted Forest, so will this new Jack be bad too? Or will he be the Catherine (I agree with Lucy. Nobody wants to be the Catherine) of this love triangle?
Is there a reason we're not being shown Anastasia's face? Is she maybe Rapuzel (the 'real' wishrealm one, not Hook's one night/nine month stand)?
Why is Rumple/Weaver keeping mum? Is Regina right about the reason being The Guardian and WHAT THE HECK DOES THAT MEAN?!
And probably most importantly we learn why Regina can't let Henry kiss Jacinda...Ivy must've succeeded in poisoning his heart. Of course it's worth noting that WishHook was apparently heart poisoned too and he's still alive sooooo... what's the problem again?
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Okay -- I'm still trying to dissect all of this. Here's what I got with the two episodes combined.
Wish Realm must have existed in some form even without Emma but this Wish Regina stinks to high heaven. I don't even think Lana knew how to play her. If she wimps out at the drop of a hat, she doesn't deserve the title Evil Queen.
I think the Wish Realm and the Enchanted Forest redux are two different lands. Thus, they were going between three realms not two.
Wish Realm Hook came to Enchanted Forest redux looking to take Hook 1's place. Thus, the spell was cast in Enchanted Forest 2. Evidently, when a realm is created, it stays created and becomes a realm you can visit.
Regarding the "one night stand." Well, Twitter is referring to it as rape. I'm not sure I'd go that way or put it in "Vault sex" realm. I will write a column about this sometime over Thanksgiving. All I know that I like the fact that Hook 2 has found his daughter even if he doesn't know it.
Not sure either about this new witch. Drizivy is beginning to play the role like Mary Queen of Scots. Don't get me wrong, Kane is good and has the talent to carry "crazy" off but I thought she was only recurring. When is big bad recurring.
I'm beginning to agree with Ass--I mean Ausiello that the show's return is a long shot.
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While I enjoyed the present day storyline of this week's episode with Rumple helping Rapunzel to wake Anastasia...which unbeknownst to him came at the cost of Lucy (who I'm sure is only going to sleep and not dead). I personally thought the Rapunzel backstory was a bit of a bust.
Rapunzel - why doesn't she love Drizella? I really wish they'd explain this in some way since it's kind of integral to the plot. I can understand her quest to save the life of her daughter, I can even see why she (being a villain) would be willing to sacrifice Lucy (who is both not her blood and the daughter of someone she resents) to do it. What I didn't get in that backstory was the reason that she doesn't love her other daughter Drizella.
The father - boy was he a cardboard louse or what? I can easily understand why a man with two young children might remarry after his wife disappears, what I fail to understand is why he then employed her as his new wife's maid. How could he possibly miss how painful that would be for her (not to mention awkward for wife #2 as well). None of this story worked for me.
Mother Gothel - At least we got a few tidbits about this mysterious 'Guardian'. Now we know that the guardian must be pure of heart and that Gothel is looking for him or her too. If we're still thinking that the Guardian had to be nearby when Rumple portaled in and the two people nearby were Alice and Henry...I think Henry fits the pure heart line better than Alice. But you could also interpret that as Lucy since she may or may not have been born yet (timeline problems abound after all) so she may in fact have been present in a way.. After all Peter Pan kidnapped Baelfire as a boy when he was really searching for the as yet unborn Henry.
Gothel is probably the best new character other than Alice. Plus I think she and Rumple have great screen chemistry so I hope they get more scenes together.
Rumple - I love that he is basically recreating his pawn shop in a police evidence locker! (which was ridiculously easy to break in to I might add, though I did enjoy seeing 'Rogers' looking blankly at the hook.) It's also funny that he's apparently handing random fairy tale people his dagger and asking them if they feel anything. That's just so funny to me. :043:
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For me Roni and Rumple and Henry are the only working characters in modern day. I think that Rogers is coming over but he's still stuck in his own little world. Henry is playing the characters so that is why he is going in the R/R group. The one NOT working (and who needs to) is Ella/Jacinda. She's one note all the way through and gullible in modern day as the day is long. Lucy is the key. I have thought Henry was the Guardian from the appearance of Rumple in other world Enchanted Forest. It will be him who somehow figures out how to get Lucy back.
Lady Tremaine isn't working at all as the villian. While I understand present day's version, I didn't care for this Rapunzel's version of the story. I understand she wants to help her family. The only thing I can see about Drizilla is Rap/Vicki hates that she accepted Ella's mother. My question is: Are we sure Ella's mom is gone for good. Only thing we have to go on is Alice's story.
And yeah, we need some explanation on the Tremaine/Drizilla's story. And yes, the daddy/husband is a wimp in all sense of the word.
Mother G is a mystery. I understand that she is looking for the Guardian but I'm seeing a little more. It's almost like she's one of the Fates which is overseeing a long pattern. Maybe Rumple was supposed originally to be the Guardian but his fate ran different. Could it be that she must oversee the final transfer of power. I'm always thinking back to Baker's Doctor Who's Key of Time. Good must win over evil and the setup appears to make that impossible. I seem to remember Mother story but haven't found it yet. It may have been Russian in origin.
I hadn't posted because I'm trying to figure things out. No luc yet. And while it's good to see Rumple with story, it's been bad without Roni there to try to solve things. And the "big reveal" may have taken too long in the process.
Regarding Lucy -- Rumple is looking for her and realizes what may be going down. Now Victoria has another reason to fear the great "Dark One."
And eight witches: Regina, Zelena, Robin (I bet), Druzilla . . . who else.
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And eight witches: Regina, Zelena, Robin (I bet), Druzilla . . . who else.
Let's see Cora? Nope she dead. How about... Wish Regina...Evil Queen split version Regina... maybe Maleficent... throw in Lily just for continuity laughs... maybe Gothel too.
I certainly agree that Jacinda isn't working as a character. Honestly I'm just tired of talking about it because she just never seems to get better.
I still remember the stuff Merlin said about someone finally be strong enough to wield the darkness for good and always thought it was or at least should be Rumple. He's been the dark one longer than anyone. He's had possession of his knife for most of that time and yet he's still not murdering people left and right. But they've yo-yo's his character's moral compass so many times it hard to know what the writer's even think about how that stuff works. In any case if Rumple is the only person capable of containing the darkness without murdering folk, does that not mean that he has to remain the Dark One for the sake of all the realms? Yet his own goal is basically death at this point so that he can be with Belle again. I can only surmise that the ending of this arc will be the destruction of the Dark One entity itself and then Rumple will either die right then or become mortal and die in the fullness of time.
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Don't know if you have seen it but Zelena got cursed this time and is a cycling trainer who calls her students bike monkeys. When I posted under Adam's twitter account something about plot hole, he said it would be explained. My question: How? Zelena lost her powers. Did she get them back due to the good deeds she did at the end?
Yep -- Cora is dead. Interesting enough, Tiger Lily is listed on the cast for this week's episode.
Witches I see fighting: Regina/Zelena/Robin (she is Zelena's daughter) on one side.
I don't think Bellany/Tremaine has magic but knows it.
Goethel/Drizilla on the other. Still short some witches and I doubt "Wish" Regina will be one of them.
Rumple is a mixed character. He was born to be the Savior but became the Dark One instead. He is capable of good but he will not be reunited with Belle if he becomes the Guardian. Thus, it seems to me, it must go to one of his descendants. Neal or Gideon would be first choice but who knows where Gideon is and both Neal and Wish Neal is dead. That leaves Neal's children/grandchildren -- Henry and Lucy. Henry must regain his belief trust. Once he does, he could be the Guardian. He does have a moral compass. By relieving grandfather of the curse of the Dark One and embracing his mom's Savior magic, he could contain both good and bad. Of course, Emma could have been it but she's out of this story and apparently there is a reason they can't call Storybrooke which may be revealed this week.
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Why was Rumple golden again in this episode? Not that I mind exactly. Golden imp Rumple is my very favorite Rumple, but it doesn't make sense timeline wise. Am I to assume that his living in new enchanted forest (or whatever the heck everybody moved to to be near Henry except of course for his MOTHER and GRANDPARENTS!) has made him turn golden and impish again?
The witches being nothing but magical coat hangers (basically) was a disappointment. With all that buildup I was hoping for a big surprise and well...nothing was there.
Why was Zelena going to get her wand anyway? Was it just to hand it over to Regina as a backup or did the writers forget the plot bunny from last season where Zelena gave up all her magic? Did I miss the episode where she got her magic back?
Less Jacinda/Ella please! She just ruins every scene she's in.
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Didn't you hear the throw away line that she got an invitation to join the Coven of eight? I wondered why then she went to get her wand. She never used a wand before and I didn't get my explanation from Adam either. Must be coming second half.
This could have been a whole lot worse but there are some plot holes (missteps) I want addressed.
1. I thought Henry was protected in every possible way. How did the poison happen?
2. Was Henry going through with Lucy or just send her through the tree? At least we know what was going on at the beginning/end of season 6 finale.
3. If curse is broken, Henry dies but Lucy awakes. Good plot right? Wrong! There is always a twist. If Henry suddenly realizes the truth and kisses Lucy again, he does it as a hero. Thus the curse can be reversed and Henry can come back with magic. Ghee. Solved that in a few minutes, didn't I.
More later. We had our Christmas pageant today and I'm still exhausted.
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On the future of Once
http://ew.com/tv/2018/01/08/agents-of-shield-once-upon-a-time-future-abc/
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How on Earth could they be 'cautiously optimistic' about renewal when they have been dragging the corpse of this show through the mud for years? They need to pump some more oxygen into the ABC studios because those people haven't been thinking strait since maybe season 3a. :c029:
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Well, do you want to watch What's My Line???? ABC needs to have a new president.
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Well that was at least better than the last couple. Stuff happened and it mostly made sense (at least as much sense as Once is capable of making these days) and the emotional beats hit home for once.
A few quick jabs...
Robin... so I guess the show is just going to gloss over her being 18, while Zelena looks exactly the same (without having any magic remember) and everybody in the other realm is aging slower I guess? It's all so confusing and frustrating that they just hand wave it all away instead of letting characters age properly.
Rapunzel...shows absolutely zero love for Ivy until Ivy is dying at the hands of Goethel. This annoyed me purely because they didn't take the time to seed in a few specs of love between Rap and Ivy before this. They could've had Rap being obsessed with saving Anastasia and taking Ivy for granted without the little jabs about how Ivy 'never did anything to deserve it (love)'. I liked that Rap was willing to save Ivy (as a mother should see: Zelena), but I don't think the show earned that moment by planting the seeds before hand. Am I making any sense there?
Mothers and daughters and sisters... I can't be the only one that wanted to smack Robin (ungrateful brat) and Regina (seriously 'we all experiment at that age' hands Cora's spell book to teenage niece?!). #4846
But there were several very nice moments between the various mothers, daughters and sisters that I really liked, which helped.
Goethel has been a great villain. Even if I'm annoyed by a lot of season seven's nonsense, I'm glad we got to meet Goethel because she's been fun. Don't go redeeming her in some ridiculously hand-wavy fashion 2 minutes before she dies please!
Also Rapunzel had a huge point that it's dumb that Regina got to be redeemed so quickly after everything she's done to get what she wants. I'd have to check our death count for exact numbers but as I recall Regina was #1. Rapunzel's (if we still bothered to count this season as cannon) count is only at 3 or something, unless I'm forgetting a couple of villages she mass slaughtered. It's always been a problem on this show that the minute someone shows any regret all the heroes just jump all over them shouting 'redeemed' before the villain even does anything to try and make amends for their long held evil ways. Going from villain to hero shouldn't be as simple as flipping a switch or putting on a new hat. It's a journey and one the show never really allowed Regina to take and her character suffered for it I think.
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Actually liked this episode and didn't fall asleep. I have another raging sinus infection. Loved the mother/daughter things. Loved the sisters had the bar together for a while. I wonder who's gloved hand grabbed the blood reports.
Regina/Zelena/Henry/Jacinda/Lucy -- hospital room.
Ivy -- with New Hook and Gold
Who was it? We've met the person already it was said.
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Oh, and did you catch Zelena's nickname for Hook 2 -- Nook -- New Hook. She had seen the other one sheriffing before heading out to new enchanted forest.
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I actually like the new Nook name for Hook. Much simpler all around. Granted I still think having a 2nd wish Hook is stupid and I'm still not wild about having new versions of characters we've already met either.
I do enjoy the new villain in Doctor Facilia (sp?) though. And Goethel has been fun. Alice had her moments early on. Otherwise season seven has been a bust.
As usual. :D
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So agree but unsure of how I like Dr. Facilitator as a love interest for Regina. She and Robin deserve to be together.
Did you hear that Cruella has been seen in Seattle along with Jennifer? I know an open invitation was issued for all former cast to return and "Granny" posted a picture that she was there filming.
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It's pretty unclear to me how many of these former cast-members are actually filming something for the finale and how many were just attending the wrap party. It would be nice to see all these people again however briefly, but it's hard for me to believe they will give anything other than a passing cameo to Granny or original Cinderella (i.e. the one who doesn't suck) or even the dwarves. At this point I'm just hoping for #1 a Rumbelle & Baelfire reunion (albeit in Once heaven) #2 that the finale will have as little to do with the season seven plot as possible. Wrap up this HH stuff asap and get back to Storybrook and at least try to recapture the magic that Once once had.
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There seems to be someone over on twitter that implies that the season 7 cast (except for original characters) will not be in the finale and imply that season 7 is a dream. I don't think they will do that but remember the last season of LOST. They swore no purgatory and we got it anyway. I'm not buying anything on twitter unless i now the source and I didn't now that one.
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To be fair to the Lost writers I think what they promised is that the island wasn't purgatory and technically that's correct. While I did think it was odd the way they wrote that part, ultimately I wept like a baby when they all met up in the church at the end. Although most of those tears were probably for the ending of the island story which was running parallel to the purgatory stuff. When (spoilers) eye closed at the end... :03:
Convoluted or not that ending hit home and I can only dream that the Once writers can do the same.
I hope the Twitter person is right about the ending getting away from the season seven cast. That sounds great to me!
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Last three episodes
Who Is Henry Mills
Homecoming
Leaving Storybooke.
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If I have to suffer through an episode of Nook stumbling around making one bad call after another...at least I got plenty of Rumple to keep me happy. I especially enjoyed the Imp Rumple bits.
Poor Tilly is getting framed.
Do you guys kind of like Henry and Ivy too? There's certainly something there. Too bad this show doesn't care about good storylines or chemistry. If they did then Emma would still have Bae and they'd still be in Storybrooke making yin yang babies.
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Okay -- leaked picture (by Colin) that looks like Gold's story with him kneeling down to catch someone.
Sean is back in Vancouver and seemed to imply for work. Robin/Regina reunion.
Keep Lucy and older Henry, dump Ella and the rest and I'd be happy.
Ivy is not long for the show. Did she slip Henry the drug to wake him up.
Nook is sort of a bumbler isn't me. Yes, Tilly is being framed but by who. I was thinking the New Orleans crew but also maybe Ivy.
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I knew it would happen. Josh, Ginnifer, Jennifer, Emile will all reprise their roles on the two hour over two Friday episodes of Once as it closes it doors. Jared and Bev (Granny) will do episode 20 and the rest will be back for 21 and 22. And get this! Pan is back also. Our beloved villian -- Young Pan.
http://ew.com/tv/2018/03/21/once-upon-time-morrison-dallas-goodwin-de-ravin-series-finale/
http://tvline.com/2018/03/21/once-upon-a-time-jennifer-morrison-returns-series-finale-emma/
And the one Emile put up.
http://deadline.com/2018/03/once-upon-a-time-series-finale-ginnifer-goodwin-jennifer-morrison-josh-dallas-emilie-de-ravin-return-1202350917/
Josh Dallas, Ginnifer Goodwin, Jennifer Morrison, Sean Maguire (as Robin Hood), Victoria Smurfit (Cruella de Vil), JoAnna Garcia-Swisher (Ariel), Robbie Kay (Peter Pan), Lee Arenberg (Grumpy/Leroy), Keegan Tracy (Blue Fairy/Mother Superior) and Tony Amendola (Geppetto/Marco) are confirmed to return for one or both nights of the finale, while Jared Gilmore and Beverley Elliot will reprise their roles as Younger Henry and Granny in Episode 20 flashbacks.
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Firefox sucks! I lost my whole post! -SPLAT-
Trying again. I really am happy that Josh, Ginny and Jennifer are coming back. Emilie was expected, but I'm happy to have that confirmed. I only wish they'd do the right thing and bring back Bae too. Bae and Rumple having a last moment is somehow even more important to me than Rumple and Belle.
I'm happy to see papa Pan back, but confused at the same time. How are they bringing back Cruella (dead), Pan (River of Souls Dead) and Robin Hood (obliterated Dead)? This had better not be some kind of 'wish realm' nonsense again! #4846
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I know they are revisiting the wish realm (Snow/Charming memorial statue picture) and it looks like they may also be revisiting Hades -- or the afterworld (set tour had tombstones). Cruella was pictured at the desk. Pan's reappearance is a big question and it looks like Hood/Regina may film together. Emile posted to Robert that it looked like they'd have a scene or two together again.
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You know what this episode (girl in tower) wasn't bad. We got plenty of Alice, which had been sadly lacking, not an overuse of Nook and we finally got at least one question answered as we now know what Facilia is after..Rumple's dagger!
I liked when Regina said Rumple was her oldest friend, but honestly that doesn't fit well with the last few seasons (much of which I've hated). It makes sense to me as a Rumple fan that after all they've both been through he and Regina should be friends after a fashion, but let's face it virtually every interaction they've had in the last 4+ seasons was adversarial. I sometimes wonder if the various writers on this show bother to read the others scripts or watch the show. But then again, that statement from Regina does fit in more with what I actually WANT the show to be, so maybe I shouldn't complain.
No Ninderella (lol ala Nook and Nobin, which did make me laugh out loud for real) is certainly a good thing.
Alice really is a splendidly acted/written character in most ways. Though of course I still say she should be Alice Stiltskin. It would just work you know what I mean.
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Love Alice and Lucy. They should be in the finale.
Question: I'll post more later. How long did Alice say she was in the tower? I'm trying to figure out how old she is.
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Question: I'll post more later. How long did Alice say she was in the tower? I'm trying to figure out how old she is.
I wondered too and then I found a post where someone else did the math and they said that number of days would make her 17.
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Here's the video. The answer is 17.03 years old when she and Robin celebrates her birthday.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FV3xuPzNrMI
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Well at least a lot happened in this one.
Anastasia is the guardian? Ok. That reveal fell on the floor with a resoundingly dull thump.
Drizella's is a treacherous witch who'll kill anyone even her own sister to get what she wants! ...until she's not and she gets to slide back to new? Enchanted Forest to live happily ever after with the sister she delivered up for death five minutes earlier. Yippee?
New Gretel! ...and now she's dead. Boom. But really wasn't her candy magic/candy obsession kind of fun while it lasted?
Are they trying to imply that Facilia is some kind of good guy now? Because the past seems to point the other way and for all we know he's just old Rumple levels of devious and is trying to keep Rumple from 'freeing himself' via The Guardian (whatever that even means) just so that he can kill him later and take the dark dagger for himself while simultaneously trying to get into Regina's pants. Ick.
Seeing Rumple fixing chip with glue was really very sweet. It seems he's trying his best to be good so he 'can be reunited with Belle someday', which I take to mean that he's trying to earn his way into Once heaven or something? Ok that's not how it works in this world as far as I've heard and also outweighing (as it were) a couple of centuries of misdeeds with a few good ones sounds like quite a daunting task. I wish him well though (obviously).
So Jack = Hansel = the killer! And who can blame him? Not only did a witch try to eat him and his sister as a child, but a witch later killed his sister too. While I think this plot point works just fine, I have to point out that 'Jack' hasn't really had any character development for me to attach any emotion to him being the witch hunter. Honestly that whole storyline seems like an enormous waste of time. As is most of season seven really.
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I agree with everything you said but I'll cut Dri/ivy more slack. She did have mommy issues just like Zelena and look at Zelena now.
Loving this Rumple very much. He knows what is what and is protecting his own. His threat to F rang true. And who now is his family in Seattle: Henry, Lucy, Ella, Regina, Zelina, and I'd put Hook and Alice there too.
Regarding the Guardian: I think there is one per fairy tale realm. In our realm, it is unknown. In whichever forest Dri and Annatasia went back to it is Anna. I still think that it ties in somehow to Henry. Don't know why but I feel there is a tie there somewhere.
Jack -- as in Jack and Jill -- how about adding the Jack the Ripper tie. I saw that almost immediately with the only difference being he doesn't dissect his victims.
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For us who say it is a timey-wimey thing, we may be right. Some leaks this weekend suggests that at whatever party we saw stills from lat week has both Henrys (Andrew and Jared) at it. That would explain the title "Leaving Storybrooke?"
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I could not have been less interested in the Henry/Nook storyline (shame on Nook for that sham btw) and for the thousandth time HOOK DID NOT TEACH HENRY TO SAIL! BAELFIRE DID!!!!!!
Apparently this version of Hansel and Gretel is much darker since Handsel is covered in burns and Gretel is dead. I also wasn't terribly invested in catching Handsel, so he's killing witches...who cares. We have bigger fish to fry like jettisoning all these flotsam characters and getting back to Storybrooke. But what I did love were the Henry and Rumple scenes. One of many crimes Once has committed against their own show over the years is how they dropped and destroyed the family connection between Rumple and Henry.
I guess it's looking like Zelena and Regina mustve found a cure somehow for Henry's heart poison offscreen since Regina is MIA off looking for some mysterious moss leaving Zelena literally stirring the pot.
Whether Nook or Hook his story has always been about puddle deep even when they try and throw in all this stuff with Blackbeard and Peter Pan and Liam... It all just lacks the weight that Emma's story originally had and of course Rumples story is as deep as lake Baikal and we barely scratched the surface of the Dark Ones mythos either. Poor Henry had such a rich deep family history to build on, but his own story is a snoozer.
I'm not worried about Zelena.
In short I was bored except for the Rumple scenes.
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Basically, loved the Rumple, but let's dump the rest. And the "Henry as hostage" was so predictable. My one question is: When did Henry become so dumb? Just when I thought he was beginning to remember, the idiot tells all he knows to the killer. And, I would say Zelena survives as she is with the show, off and on to the finish. I know Lara directed one show but I don't think this is it. I did notice in the past that our beloved Rumple would disappear for a show now and then.
In other words, I call this one FILLER.
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This episode was a bit of a bust on several levels.
1 - the ending was cut off due to Syria
2 - Zelena pulling a Regina and acting like 'Zelena' is a totally separate person from who she is now and that she shouldn't have to keep paying for what 'she' did. Responsibly has never been a Mills trait.
3 - are they seriously going to blackmail Rumple every week with Belle's death?
4 - who is Chad? Who cares? Nobody that's who.
The most intriguing part was when they showed Rumple's 'evidence' room code - 6432...what does it mean? I spent the rest of the episode thinking about it and trying to figure out why that was the number and why it was shown. It's not a Lost number is it? 4 8 15 16 23, 42 or flight 815. Maybe it's a birthday?
If anyone here wants to know the ending the internet was very helpful. Rewatching the end it seems they only cut off about the last ten seconds (plus the preview for next week which is RUMPLE and Alice centric!!!!) and in that ten seconds Dr. Facilia murders Hansel by stabbing a voodoo doll through the heart. Sooo I guess he doesn't need Hansel to kill Goethal after all?
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I actually PACED through Trump hoping ABC would do the right thing and show the ending (which they did). What I hated:
The Gingerbread House thingy
Zelena falling for the father of H & G
Hansel's attitude. (are all the fairy tale kids this big of brat?)
Liked
Evidence room
Zelena got a happy ending. Now will we finally get one for Regina?
Code -- some interesting google hits
Season 4 -- The Apprentice episode (maybe code for box).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Apprentice_(Once_Upon_a_Time)
This clip of B & R's engagement came up
http://abc.go.com/shows/once-upon-a-time/video/most-recent/VDKA0_i8reprjn
Lost References in OUAT
http://onceuponatime.wikia.com/wiki/List_of_Lost_References
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Okay -- I'll give 6432 a shot.
6 -- number of times he said I'm sorry to Belle
4 -- number of names he has had (Rumple, Dark One, Gold, Weaver)
3 -- number of Dark Ones still alive (Rumple, Emma, Killian)
2 -- number of sons
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Some interesting turns last night:
Rumple found his guardian but refused to use the person. Why? Alice/Tilly didn't deserve it because she hadn't had a life.
Rumple now has a "good heart." So does this mean that the darkness is gone? If so, there's another error on the space/time continuum. Remember the "Key of Time" Doctor Who. It takes light an darkness (good/evil) to coexist for the world to be perfect.
Are both Rogers and Henry finally waking up. Both are unsettled about what is going on and Henry is shocked to learn he is Lucy's dad.
And what about Tilly. She knew the dagger was singing. Granted in other land she took it and seemed to combine good and evil. And if she has the "good", could she save her dad.
Which brings me to next week's episode. Are they really going to "kill" Nook???
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It's always been confusing to me how Once views who has 'darkness in his/her heart' and who is 'pure'. My best guess on Rumple has been that the darkness (or Dark One) has a consciousness of its own. It's pure evil and corrupts anyone it touches (think of the One Ring in LOTR). After centuries under its influence Rumple has somehow learned to contain it in a relatively harmless way, but he's still constantly tempted by the darkness partly because that's just what the darkness does and partly because after centuries of using magic every day for seemingly everything he's hopelessly addicted to it and yet every time he gives in and uses it, especially for a dark purpose, he feeds the darkness inside him and it starts to grow again.
So again I find this notion of some kind of good and evil balance sheet to be nonsense because how could someone who has done as much evil in their lives as Rumple (and Regina and Zelena ect.) possibly even out the score? Do they notch off how many people they've murdered and try to save more lives then they've taken somehow? (Regina had better start building villages rather than burning them then). Would you forgive the man who murdered your father if he saved your brother from say being hit by a train?
I don't mind the bit about the skin going gold the more evil he does (is choking out an evil sob like Facilia really that evil a thing to do I wonder? I thought lying to Alice seemed worse) its sort of like Pinocchio's nose that grows when he lies. What I don't get is the idea that he must never do anything 'bad' again or he'll never get to be with Belle again in Once heaven. I know the closest thing to God once is willing to put in the show are things like Zeus and Hades, but even they are mere creatures of will. Zeus saved Hook because he wanted too. Robin Hood arguably deserved to be saved more, yet he was obliterated. So how is Rumple a man with centuries of darkness under his belt supposed to earn his way to heaven? By giving Zelena her necklace? By not killing the evil Facilia? By letting Alice live her life? Does he need to start giving Zeus backrubs? It all feels weird to me.
Have I mentioned that I really dislike Facilia? I wish someone would punch him (honestly it should've been Regina). Don't get me wrong the character has/had potential, a man with one foot in each world who can hear the dead talking? That's an interesting premise whether that man is evil or good, but at the moment I'm not enjoying him as a good baddy so much, as I said, wishing someone would punch him.
So it's confirmed that Alice is The Guardian (or 'A' guardian anyway) which apparently means they can hear the dagger calling and if they accept it then they take the darkness and... what happens then? Rumple said something about her becoming immortal (and if we've learned anything from televisions shows like Highlander, The Librarians, anything with a vampire, Forever...its that human immortality is more of a curse than a blessing), but what happens to the darkness (which as I've said I believe to be alive in a way)? Does it take over Alice? Is she just the newest Dark One, only this time without murdering the last one? Does her 'pure heart' make her immune in some way that stops the darkness from using her and instead traps it somehow? I wonder if Once will even try to answer this question.
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I'll respond to all this later but what got me was that Rumple refused to make Alice the vessel. What I understood about the guardian, the G is neither good or evil but protects. So it is eternal but not evil or good? Remember the Key of Time storyline that seemed to drag but was relatively good on Doctor Who? He met the good and he met the evil and he had to see through the confusion to determine who was who. Granted the Doctor is smart and saw evil playing good. Anyway, the line that good me there was that there had to be evil for good to exist. Somehow the lines have blurred haven't they??? #4846
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Yeah it's like the darkness can be transferred but never destroyed. Remember back in season four or five (all the suck runs together at times but I think it was the end of four) when Rumple was dying of a dark heart (cause yeah that's a thing that happened) the darkness left him and swirled around looking for someone else to 'er... inhabit. And it chose Regina (presumably the darkest soul in the area) but Emma took her place by 'um 'stabbing' the darkness with the dagger. Yeah that happened too.
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Yep -- I believe it was end of season 4 that set up the Camelot/Dante's no-ferno story.
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Just heard a suspicious rumor that Adam and Eddie was seen around a "Frozen" background. I thought they were going to take at least a year off to regroup. Could they be planning a "Frozen" Once Upon a Time????? #4846
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Well lets see... Goethel's backstory was stupid. Why would a bunch of prissy girls in ball gowns destroy all magic (or I guess have their people do it for them)? The idea of nymphs and nature magic works ok as a background for her though. It explains why she hates humans (because she isn't one and a because some rando blond in a ball gown killed her family. ok fine.). But I guess we're compatible enough since she and Nook had a baby without a problem (other than the uber speed and uber ickyness of the whole affair). The twist at the end was surprising (doh we're all living in Goethel's home realm which is now known as the 'Land Without Magic'!) but making Goethel thousands of years old feels silly somehow. I mean it should be cool, but it just feels silly. I would rather have them not try and make Goethel sympathetic (they failed anyway), but instead to just make her different. If she's not human it makes sense that she could see us as less then her, or maybe as pets or something and that's why she's such a 'w'itch because she's not like us and doesn't have our same feelings. That sounds more interesting than 'humans killed my family now I kill humans'. She could be like The Master in Doctor Who or something.
And since when has Goethel had the power to Jedi mind trick humans into doing her bidding like that? Maybe I'm just willfully forgetting scenes from earlier in the season, but I don't remember her doing this before, so it feels ridicules that she suddenly can do this. She could've easily enacted her plan at any time then.
Also why is Facilier good now? Last week he's evil incarnate, now he's a sweetheart who helps Lucy save henry's life. WHY DON'T THE WRITERS READ EACH OTHERS EPISODES AND I DON'T KNOW MAKE CONSISTENT TV?!
The one scene I really liked was when Henry let Nook and Alice into his crazy note/picture covered room (does anyone actually do this in real life or this just a TV trope?) My one complaint is that they didn't show enough of the notes. I wanted to read them dang it!
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Just heard a suspicious rumor that Adam and Eddie was seen around a "Frozen" background. I thought they were going to take at least a year off to regroup. Could they be planning a "Frozen" Once Upon a Time????? #4846
At this point would anyone even watch it if they did? I for one don't trust them to tell a coherent story. Season One must've been a total fluke.
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Okay -- my take. This whole story line needed more research. I saw it as Mother Nature which should be Gaia. As for the "world without magic" is Goethel's world and we are all living in it, I don't buy that either because, as Gold used to say, there is magic everywhere. I think some of that world came through with the curse. We won't know for sure until the final battle.
What really gets me is the preview for next week. Are we timey-whimey enough to believe that young Henry and new Henry coexist on the same time period. If so, the rules of the universe have been reversed and we'll self implode.
I need to really watch this again. And I wasn't too hipped on the backstory. Wonder if Alice/Tilly can counteract the magic?
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I know this is a text format and you can't see me (thank God) but if you could you'd see a big fat grin. We suffered through serum split Regina. We suffered through Nook. And now finally we get the goodie... WISH RUMPLE!!!!!!! :whoo:
As for the rest of it...it was surprisingly good. It wrapped everything up nicely, the curse is broken, the two villains are dead and everybody is 15-20 years in their own past (ok that part was weird and frankly DOES NOT FIX THE TIMELINE but at least it patches over a few of the cracks in nice shiny spackle), but the ending...that was awesome. Well first it was sad because there were all these happy reunions and poor Rumple looked sad and alone and so he left to look at Belle's book again. Sweet, but oh so sad and then it all got AWESOME!!!!!!!
Who knew after all the crap they've done, Once can still make me happy. Once and a while anyway. :clap:
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An obvious question just occurred to me. If there are now two Rumples does that mean there are two daggers as well? And are there now two separate Dark Ones existing in the two separate Rumples?
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Wish Realm was such a stupid idea. But at least we get two Rumples out of it. :88:
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Wish Rumple needed our Rumple's dagger. No explanation but he was going to use it like it should be used.
Excellent episode that I really loved. I would have posted sooner but Teressa (my sister) is at Duke in the neuro center due to blood on the brain from an anuerysm. I'm going to do a timeline when things settle down. Tonight was the first chance I had to get on.
(By the way, I caught her Friday night watching Once.)
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Okay -- last night's episode had some real tender moments:
a. Alice talking to Nook from across the street because that was as near as she could get.
b. The birthday party that went awry.
c. The Rumple's confrontation.
d. The joy that Roni showed in her face.
Where they goofed.
a. Wish Henry and his stupid plan to get his happy ending.
b. Wish Rumple finding Wish Henry as an ally.
c. The whole stupid Wish Realm stuff.
d. No original cast that had left except Arielle who was really wish Arielle.
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This episode was all over the place, but it did hold my interest throughout with all the callbacks and of course the double Rumple/Wumple scenes.
QUIPS ARE BACK!
“I know it’s a bit cluttered; but it’s beach front property.”
“All I see is a cave where booze goes to perish.”
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I despise the wish realm nonsense, but I was glad when Wish Henry brought up the cold blooded murder of his grandparents. Not to mention the assumed kidnapping of his mother. At least the writers remembered that much! Again Wish Realm was a terrible idea on multiple levels! Terrible!
It was funny when Mickey (The Apprentice) poked fun at the wonky timeline.
I guess it was fun seeing Pan, Ariel and Cruella again, but they were really useless for the most part. Ariel’s was the best even if it was the shortest, at least she had SQUID INK to share.
Did you see how hard Henry swung when he smashed Nook’s head in with the base of a candlestick – he should be dead or dying after a blow like that! When will Tv writers learn about how head trauma actually works?
The continually confusing family relationships...they suck. The writers have always had a problem with Henry being Rumple’s grandson and having two sets of them just ups the awkwardness. I really wish (my wish realm would be so much better then theirs) that they had invested more in the family aspect of the show and less in the ‘ships’.
Do the writers even realize how sad Rumple’s story has been? People say Regina has lost everything, but she’s had Henry and far more friends than she probably deserved even before she actually started to change her ways. Rumple has literally lost everyone who ever cared about him (certainly Henry, Emma and The Charmings have never cared about him) and his only hope now is to DIE and maybe be reunited with Baelfire and Belle in the Once afterlife. It’s so sad! :03:
Where is Gideon anyway? I didn’t like his storyline at all, but you’d think he deserves at the very least a mention. Maybe he’s died offscreen and will show up in the big Stiltskin afterlife reunion scene? O:-)
Having double the Rumple fun with Rumple and Wumple running around was a treat for me. I loved those scenes! :great:
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Well that was underwhelming.
Why must there be sooo much Regina all the time.
Rumple was the most important character in the whole show (at least he was until things changed at the end of season three and he turned into a ping-pong plot device character) and his death fell flat. He died to save Nook who was desperately trying to save his kid from being pulled through a portal... sound familiar? This scene would have been much more effective if they'd taken the time to intercut in parts of the scene where Rumple loses Bae through the portal with scenes of Nook trying to save Alice and with lots of closeups of Rumple's face in slowmo as he realizes what he needs to do. Also it obviously should've been Bae/Henry and not Nook/Alice.
The afterlife was a bit barren and might actually have benefited by being shortened to Rumple hearing Belle call him - he opens his eyes - there she is smiling at him and telling him to come with her and that's Bae is waiting (offscreen) for them.
No Bae in the ‘afterlife’! All we got was a quick flash of him dead to rub it in once last time.
Also notice that there was absolutely no mention of Gideon. Yup that plot died too.
No Henry and Rumple family scene. There were two Rumples and at least two Henrys running around and not once did we hear him call Rumple Grandpa that I heard. I think he looked sort of sad when he died. I guess that’s something.
It was actually kind of sweet when Rumple called Nook his best friend (after Nook asked why he’d never killed him… um cause you ain’t his real nemesis Mr. Nooky not Hooky). Yet more sadness for Rumple that his ‘best friend’ is a guy created by a wish who mainly spent time with him while he was cursed.
Wumple was underused and far too easily defeated. I guess when Rumple prime dies then his Wish counterpart dies too? This was not explained. Also not really explained how Wumple just removed Rumple's magic and immortality from him with what a wave of the hand? Or was this The Author's almighty pen again?
In non Rumple matters (i.e. the shorter section)...
It was cute that Hook was baby-proofed with that pink hook stopper thing. But there was far too little Emma and what was there served only to remind me of how far her character had fallen from her fantastic start.
The opening where Alice and Robin were chased out by some of our beloved background characters (background after season one/two anyway).
The Lily’s father question is finally answered in the most random way possible! ZORRO! How stupid/hilarious was that?
I enjoyed watching shady Blue Fairy (Wish Blue?) get sucked into a black hole.
Cinderella and Lucy had practically no lines! Good.
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Agreed about Ella but not Lucy. She's very smart
I actually thought the Rumple stuff was sweet. He was coming over to Belle and they just ran out of time. Why? All the stupid Wumple stuff. And you see, I knew Rumple would have to die somehow to kill Wumple. I didn't suspect it would be giving his heart to Nook. Sweet touch but sad.
All the originals -- Emma, Snow/Mary Margaret, and David were wasted.
And how big is that little corner of Maine that it is now a fairy tale theme park. Maybe Disney should do one in this mode. I'd go.
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And how big is that little corner of Maine that it is now a fairy tale theme park. Maybe Disney should do one in this mode. I'd go.
Yeah I didn't catch that at the time, but they basically created Disneyland, Maine at the end. :D
I guess Maine is like the TARDIS..bigger on the inside.
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Oh, and regarding Zorro. They always meant for Zorro to be Lily's daddy but they couldn't get the rights. Of course not! Zorro is not Disney -- duh!
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I don't believe that they 'always intended' that (or almost anything else) Zorro was the dragon daddy. I'm positive this was just a random throwaway line to satisfy/make fun of a long time fan complaint.
I'm still interested in seeing the fanfiction people get together and completely rewrite the show. The 'real' show is over now so maybe they'll step up and fix this thing.
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And announcing the latest: Horowitz and Kitsis is doing Amazing Stories for NetFlix after signing a 4 year deal with ABC Studios. My aching head.